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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 24, 2019 6:42:03 GMT
I think it's more than just mindset and attitude. A mind and body grow and decay together and each changes the other. The existence that is/was Coyote is nothing like the wolf that was Ysengrin. Beyond that there is probably an issue of scale, the sheer size of the etheric flow required to use god-like powers. Being a mythical creature Ys would probably have better control of Coyote's powers if he was born with them than Zeta does hers but I suspect that, like Zeta, Ys would develop some problems in the psychological department as well as with control.
But yes "Loup" seems to have the wrong mindset for this sort of thing, looks like he's going to try to push through these issues instead of trying some psychic surgery on himself, getting some other minds/personalities to help carry the load, or giving reincarnation a go. And you know you're in a bad place when those are the options that might make things better.
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Post by csj on Nov 24, 2019 8:57:58 GMT
I wANt THe WoRld i wanT ThE WhOLE WOrlD
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Post by Gemini Jim on Nov 24, 2019 19:48:57 GMT
I still think that everyone is missing the possibility that Coyote didn't really control the forest. What administrative duties does Coyote actually perform? Did he arbitrate disputes? Make the rules of the forest? Does he even ENFORCE the rules? It seems like he mostly just hangs around and annoys people while acting all mysterious, and has underlings do the actual stuff. In fact, it seems like the forest mostly runs itself. What would it even mean for Coyote or Loup to 'control' the forest? He already has control over the trees. Does Loup think this means like, mind control or something? Coyote pretty clearly NEVER did mind control (in a direct, literal sense; he's pretty non-stop manipulative), so I'm not really sure what's left. Coyote didn't really DO anything. Coyote isn't even originally FROM the forest. He's a North American immigrant, much like invasive gray squirrels. I don't want to have to go through the entire comic archive, but I also don't remember Coyote doing much in the way of "controlling" in the political sense. On the other hand, Ysengrin was definitely an underling, and when you have underlings, you have to have a boss. It would be fitting if Loup got that sense of the forest needing "control" or a "ruler" from his Ysengrin side.
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Post by todd on Nov 24, 2019 23:40:12 GMT
Coyote isn't even originally FROM the forest. He's a North American immigrant, much like invasive gray squirrels. I wonder if there are red squirrels still living in Gilltie Wood. Or have those grey squirrels moved in there as well?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Nov 25, 2019 3:10:26 GMT
Coyote isn't even originally FROM the forest. He's a North American immigrant, much like invasive gray squirrels. I wonder if there are red squirrels still living in Gilltie Wood. Or have those grey squirrels moved in there as well? This is what Gunnerkrigg has been building up to! Returning red squirrels to the forest.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 25, 2019 18:46:17 GMT
I still think that everyone is missing the possibility that Coyote didn't really control the forest. What administrative duties does Coyote actually perform? Did he arbitrate disputes? Make the rules of the forest? Does he even ENFORCE the rules? It seems like he mostly just hangs around and annoys people while acting all mysterious, and has underlings do the actual stuff. In fact, it seems like the forest mostly runs itself. What would it even mean for Coyote or Loup to 'control' the forest? He already has control over the trees. Does Loup think this means like, mind control or something? Coyote pretty clearly NEVER did mind control (in a direct, literal sense; he's pretty non-stop manipulative), so I'm not really sure what's left. Coyote didn't really DO anything. It's a really freakin' good question! Loup is extremely vague about exactly what concrete effects the "branches" have - specifically, he says it was " a series of interconnected systems that held the fabric of the forest together", which could mean practically anything. However I have suspicions based on the page before that one, which is focused on the chaotic nature of magic. Loup implies that the reason the Forest was "dying" as the Court encroached upon it was because it was too orderly, while the Forest needs chaos to maintain the ether that keeps it alive. Although, I don't think "alive" is really the best word...it's not like the trees would literally all die just because some human buildings are nearby. I think what's really being preserved here is the specifically the way that magic suffuses every single part of the Forest; not only is the Forest visibly full of magic from a distance, up close you can see that even the trees & grass are full of vibrant etheric colors, unlike normal living things which are "grey and lifeless". Without Coyote's etheric system of branches, all the Trees of the Forest would eventually become merely trees in a forest, the talking animals would become mere animals, and the boundless variety of magical creatures there would have their ages-old way of life completely overturned. Furthermore, the more that this happened, the easier the Court would find it to start their own construction in the Forest, which would just accelerate the process even more, until there is no such thing as the Forest and the grey dullness of the Court dominates everything, with only the occasional pocket of magic an myth struggling to survive in hidden places.
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