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Post by Nnelg on Oct 9, 2019 7:34:20 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 9, 2019 9:01:47 GMT
Sooooo oils. They're injecting oils? Or is this a hand made by Kat? IS TONY A CYBORG NOW?
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Post by csj on Oct 9, 2019 9:03:54 GMT
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Post by madjack on Oct 9, 2019 9:28:04 GMT
Sooooo oils. They're injecting oils? Or is this a hand made by Kat? IS TONY A CYBORG NOW? He got a Kat-made hand during the timeskip. |
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Post by coastal on Oct 9, 2019 9:43:19 GMT
Nice, peaceful domestic scene in that middle panel. It's pretty bizarre actually.
I bet Tony never thought he'd come to a point in his life where he lives with twin teenage daughters and their dog domestic wolf.
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Post by philman on Oct 9, 2019 10:34:30 GMT
Nice, peaceful domestic scene in that middle panel. It's pretty bizarre actually. I bet Tony never thought he'd come to a point in his life where he lives with twin teenage daughters and their dog domestic wolf. Clone children from other dimensions, robot arms and a magical pet wolf are something you come to deal with when living at the Court. |
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Post by arkadi on Oct 9, 2019 14:56:17 GMT
Kind of confused by the implied time skip. I'd have expected to go see Loup right after they got the goose bone.
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 9, 2019 15:19:24 GMT
There's a picture frame on the mantle. I'm guessing it's of Surma.
It's a nice quaint scene in the Court... too quaint... *narrows eyes*
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Post by DonDueed on Oct 9, 2019 15:55:39 GMT
Tom says, not antibiotics exactly. So maybe anti-rejection meds, applied directly to the interface between the human arm and, um, borgish stuff?
I guess we really don't know the exact nature of Kat's soft tissue robotics, do we? Is it made of living cells, or some sort of organic goo, or what?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Oct 9, 2019 16:19:02 GMT
(I have a bad habit of skipping down to the second panel before I'm done with the first.) I half expected Tony to have a Norman Rockwell pipe and slippers. Instead, it's just two alternate universe twins injecting him with.... nanobots, perhaps? |
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Post by dramastix on Oct 9, 2019 16:32:02 GMT
There's a picture frame on the mantle. I'm guessing it's of Surma. It's a nice quaint scene in the Court... too quaint... *narrows eyes* I was going to make the same comment. Who else would Tony want to put in a frame? |
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Post by Eily on Oct 9, 2019 16:44:16 GMT
Nice, peaceful domestic scene in that middle panel. It's pretty bizarre actually. I bet Tony never thought he'd come to a point in his life where he lives with twin teenage daughters and their dog domestic wolf. I wonder if Loup would be as offended by Rey being called a wolf as Ysengrin was (well, Ysengrin was offended by Rey taking the shape of a wolf, but still...). Also your description of the situation is still pretty mild. Rey is actually the creature that killed someone while trying to ... possess (?) his wife, and became property of his daughter after nearly killing her. And the arm that Annie is helping take care of had to be replaced because he lost it while nearly killing her himself. All of that because he was unable to make it possible for two of them (fire elementals) to exist at the same time. Including the fact that it's very significant for the two Annies to "share" their father like that (when it was already difficult for only one to get along with him in the past), you basically have to explain half the comic for someone to understand all the implications of that second panel  Edit: I think it's also very significant that the Annies getting along with their father is done through medical assistance, since their early interactions were in an hospital, with probably a lot of medical interventions from Tony on Surma. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 9, 2019 18:51:00 GMT
Tom says, not antibiotics exactly. So maybe anti-rejection meds, applied directly to the interface between the human arm and, um, borgish stuff?
I guess we really don't know the exact nature of Kat's soft tissue robotics, do we? Is it made of living cells, or some sort of organic goo, or what?
At this point, I basically think of Kat's new stuff as being completely inorganic nanotech, arranged into the essential structure of an organism on a microscopic level. So I assume that they're "not really antibiotics" because real living bacteria would just starve in Tony's arm anyway; the stuff they're injecting is probably bolster the arm's "immune system" against grit & other microscopic detritus that could still "infect" the workings in his "cells".
God I love good technobabble. This is fun!
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Post by Igniz on Oct 9, 2019 19:24:35 GMT
The first thing that came to my mind when seeing this page:  |
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Post by netherdan on Oct 9, 2019 20:02:49 GMT
Tom says, not antibiotics exactly. So maybe anti-rejection meds, applied directly to the interface between the human arm and, um, borgish stuff?
I guess we really don't know the exact nature of Kat's soft tissue robotics, do we? Is it made of living cells, or some sort of organic goo, or what?
At this point, I basically think of Kat's new stuff as being completely inorganic nanotech, arranged into the essential structure of an organism on a microscopic level. So I assume that they're "not really antibiotics" because real living bacteria would just starve in Tony's arm anyway; the stuff they're injecting is probably bolster the arm's "immune system" against grit & other microscopic detritus that could still "infect" the workings in his "cells". Maybe Kat's robotics is so complex that it's allowing for "inorganisms" to evolve inside Tony's implant (maybe as side effect for it having to deal with Tony's own organic "infections" to the implant) so Kat developed "antirobotics" to avoid the proliferation of harmful "microinorganisms" |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 9, 2019 20:33:42 GMT
Kind of confused by the implied time skip. I'd have expected to go see Loup right after they got the goose bone. I assume they did want to get a good night's sleep before visiting Loup. They did look pretty tired after the wisp adventure.
Nice, peaceful domestic scene in that middle panel. It's pretty bizarre actually. I bet Tony never thought he'd come to a point in his life where he lives with twin teenage daughters and their dog domestic wolf. I wonder if Loup would be as offended by Rey being called a wolf as Ysengrin was (well, Ysengrin was offended by Rey taking the shape of a wolf, but still...). Also your description of the situation is still pretty mild. Rey is actually the creature that killed someone while trying to ... possess (?) his wife, and became property of his daughter after nearly killing her. What makes you think Renard wanted to possess Surma? o.O
By the way, I am reading this comic since "The Great Secret", and I just now realized that the font used for texts in the comic is mixed from upper- and lowercase letters.
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Post by Eily on Oct 9, 2019 20:54:07 GMT
Also your description of the situation is still pretty mild. Rey is actually the creature that killed someone while trying to ... possess (?) his wife, and became property of his daughter after nearly killing her. What makes you think Renard wanted to possess Surma? I didn't mean the spirit kind of possession, I meant it in the sense that he wanted her to be his in a pretty creepy and possessive way so I didn't want to say he was trying to seduce her. The question mark was because I wasn't sure it was the best way to express that, but you have already proven that my choice of words was confusing. |
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Post by migrantworker on Oct 9, 2019 23:20:06 GMT
What makes you think Renard wanted to possess Surma? I didn't mean the spirit kind of possession, I meant it in the sense that he wanted her to be his in a pretty creepy and possessive way so I didn't want to say he was trying to seduce her. The question mark was because I wasn't sure it was the best way to express that, but you have already proven that my choice of words was confusing. Well, Tony is known for abruptly changing course following appropriate persuasion and careful study of facts... and Surma is dead... and Annies adore him... so him being relaxed in the presence of Renard is very much in character. Let bygones be bygones, right?  Also, my first post here - hello everyone! |
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Post by csj on Oct 9, 2019 23:54:26 GMT
The first thing that came to my mind |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 10, 2019 10:08:42 GMT
What makes you think Renard wanted to possess Surma? I didn't mean the spirit kind of possession, I meant it in the sense that he wanted her to be his in a pretty creepy and possessive way so I didn't want to say he was trying to seduce her. The question mark was because I wasn't sure it was the best way to express that, but you have already proven that my choice of words was confusing. Interesting that you read it like that, because I never did. Renard said he " fell in love" with Surma. " Desperately" according to Coyote; and Coyote said Renard wanted to " woo the fiery Surma". And she was the one who implicated loving him before, it is not as if she had told him she was not interested. Renard did very wrong by taking Daniel's body, but I always read this as him wanting to have a human body, so he could be together with the (mostly) human Surma, but nothing creepy and possessive about his love for her. Maybe you are thinking of this page? The creepy dialogue about not letting Surma "get away" comes from Coyote though. |
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Post by todd on Oct 10, 2019 12:44:47 GMT
Kind of confused by the implied time skip. I'd have expected to go see Loup right after they got the goose bone. I was surprised as well, but I suspect that Tom wanted a quiet domestic scene for contrast with the action-filled last chapter (which *did* jump into the middle of things). |
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Post by Nnelg on Oct 11, 2019 3:05:06 GMT
I didn't mean the spirit kind of possession, I meant it in the sense that he wanted her to be his in a pretty creepy and possessive way so I didn't want to say he was trying to seduce her. The question mark was because I wasn't sure it was the best way to express that, but you have already proven that my choice of words was confusing. Well, Tony is known for abruptly changing course following appropriate persuasion and careful study of facts... and Surma is dead... and Annies adore him... so him being relaxed in the presence of Renard is very much in character. Let bygones be bygones, right? Also, my first post here - hello everyone! Welcome. I mostly lurk but your first link made me realize that Tony's return was over a quarter of the comic ago. In 280 pages, 50% of the comic will be Mortless. Where has the time gone? I feel stuck in the past... |
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Post by tlo on Oct 11, 2019 3:07:13 GMT
So, is Tony being himself here, or is he closing himself off right now? I can't tell with his one panel of dialogue. It'd be interesting to know for sure whether he was acting open with Frannie because he views her the same as Courtnie, or if he doesn't see her as his daughter at all... |
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Post by migrantworker on Oct 11, 2019 8:01:10 GMT
Where has the time gone? I feel stuck in the past... I can only imagine. Myself, I discovered Gunnerkrigg all of three months ago. It all still feels fairly recent... |
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Post by Eily on Oct 11, 2019 8:59:25 GMT
I didn't mean the spirit kind of possession, I meant it in the sense that he wanted her to be his in a pretty creepy and possessive way so I didn't want to say he was trying to seduce her. The question mark was because I wasn't sure it was the best way to express that, but you have already proven that my choice of words was confusing. Interesting that you read it like that, because I never did. Renard said he " fell in love" with Surma. " Desperately" according to Coyote; and Coyote said Renard wanted to " woo the fiery Surma". And she was the one who implicated loving him before, it is not as if she had told him she was not interested. Renard did very wrong by taking Daniel's body, but I always read this as him wanting to have a human body, so he could be together with the (mostly) human Surma, but nothing creepy and possessive about his love for her. Maybe you are thinking of this page? The creepy dialogue about not letting Surma "get away" comes from Coyote though. We're obviously on a pretty subjective interpretation there, but for me the fact that Coyote and Surma manipulated him into this situation changes who's to blame (all three of them at least), but not how creepy it is. And the fact that he was willing to kill someone to be with her pushes the whole thing firmly into creepy territory for me. And Coyote might have been the one to say out loud that he couldn't let her get away because he is a god, but he accepted the argument. And if I'm completely honest I was very influenced in my interpretation by his face on the following page, which does make it look like he slipped into insane. Again, having unhealthy feelings doesn't make Rey bad, that would rather follow from the decisions he took from there. And at that time, his decisions clearly weren't entirely his. I might have argued that someone else wouldn't really have been on the most objective, cool-headed interpretation of things (since this was about the significance of Tony accepting Rey as a pet), but I'm not sure that Tony does subjective. Your links made me realize something though. Coyote used Renard's love for Surma as a way to force his power unto him, basically telling him it was the only way to be human. But the Court had this whole process for turning process creatures into humans, with a specially made body, with a significant implication from Coyote. I can only suppose it wasn't going on at the time, but I wonder what Renard thinks about that, and if he might get this treatment at some point (which would be made possible after getting back his body). |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 11, 2019 9:46:24 GMT
Interesting that you read it like that, because I never did. Renard said he " fell in love" with Surma. " Desperately" according to Coyote; and Coyote said Renard wanted to " woo the fiery Surma". And she was the one who implicated loving him before, it is not as if she had told him she was not interested. Renard did very wrong by taking Daniel's body, but I always read this as him wanting to have a human body, so he could be together with the (mostly) human Surma, but nothing creepy and possessive about his love for her. Maybe you are thinking of this page? The creepy dialogue about not letting Surma "get away" comes from Coyote though. We're obviously on a pretty subjective interpretation there, but for me the fact that Coyote and Surma manipulated him into this situation changes who's to blame (all three of them at least), but not how creepy it is. And the fact that he was willing to kill someone to be with her pushes the whole thing firmly into creepy territory for me. And Coyote might have been the one to say out loud that he couldn't let her get away because he is a god, but he accepted the argument. And if I'm completely honest I was very influenced in my interpretation by his face on the following page, which does make it look like he slipped into insane. Again, having unhealthy feelings doesn't make Rey bad, that would rather follow from the decisions he took from there. And at that time, his decisions clearly weren't entirely his. I might have argued that someone else wouldn't really have been on the most objective, cool-headed interpretation of things (since this was about the significance of Tony accepting Rey as a pet), but I'm not sure that Tony does subjective. Your links made me realize something though. Coyote used Renard's love for Surma as a way to force his power unto him, basically telling him it was the only way to be human. But the Court had this whole process for turning process creatures into humans, with a specially made body, with a significant implication from Coyote. I can only suppose it wasn't going on at the time, but I wonder what Renard thinks about that, and if he might get this treatment at some point (which would be made possible after getting back his body). That last thought is an interesting one. I can only assume Renard would not want to have a permanent new body. Even if he never does change back to his old one, it surely feels better to know he could always get his original body back.
And yes, the face of Renard-Danny looks pretty monstrous and scary. Although we do not really have any others to compare. Anyway, I read the story less as Renard really being willing to kill someone to be together with Surma, more as him successfully talking himself into hoping it would not happen (Coyote helped ease his conscience). Of course, he should not have done it. I wonder what Surma said that made him think he needed to have a human body for her anway. Tom once said Coyote could have fixed Surma a special deal to turn her into a vixen as well. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 14, 2019 20:12:42 GMT
We're obviously on a pretty subjective interpretation there, but for me the fact that Coyote and Surma manipulated him into this situation changes who's to blame (all three of them at least), but not how creepy it is. And the fact that he was willing to kill someone to be with her pushes the whole thing firmly into creepy territory for me. And Coyote might have been the one to say out loud that he couldn't let her get away because he is a god, but he accepted the argument. And if I'm completely honest I was very influenced in my interpretation by his face on the following page, which does make it look like he slipped into insane. Again, having unhealthy feelings doesn't make Rey bad, that would rather follow from the decisions he took from there. And at that time, his decisions clearly weren't entirely his. I might have argued that someone else wouldn't really have been on the most objective, cool-headed interpretation of things (since this was about the significance of Tony accepting Rey as a pet), but I'm not sure that Tony does subjective. Your links made me realize something though. Coyote used Renard's love for Surma as a way to force his power unto him, basically telling him it was the only way to be human. But the Court had this whole process for turning process creatures into humans, with a specially made body, with a significant implication from Coyote. I can only suppose it wasn't going on at the time, but I wonder what Renard thinks about that, and if he might get this treatment at some point (which would be made possible after getting back his body). That last thought is an interesting one. I can only assume Renard would not want to have a permanent new body. Even if he never does change back to his old one, it surely feels better to know he could always get his original body back.
And yes, the face of Renard-Danny looks pretty monstrous and scary. Although we do not really have any others to compare. Anyway, I read the story less as Reanrd really being willing to kill someone to be together with Surma, more as him successfully talking himself into hoping it would not happen (Coyote helped ease his conscience). Of course, he should not have done it. I wonder what Surma said that made him think he needed to have a human body for her anway. Tom once said Coyote could have fixed Surma a special deal to turn her into a vixen as well.
At first I thought that maybe the Court simply wouldn't have let Renard become a human through the same process as the Foley students...but then I remembered that the whole point of Surma's mission was to get Renard to come to the Court. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think their intention was probably to specifically get Renard to try and get a human body through the established "totem" process, so they could eliminate the risk without getting anyone killed. From there, it's not too hard to guess that Coyote caught on to that part of the scheme, and prevented Renard from going down that path, perhaps using the argument pyradonis brought up, plus that good old " You are a GOD" argument we all know and love.
Incidentally, the second Q&A in that Formspring link pyradonis provided is making me picture Renard as having a pan-species sexual orientation, and now I can't get that idea out of my head (I know it really sounds more like Tom's talking about aesthetic attraction, but "pan-species-sexual" is a way funnier idea). |
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