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Post by csj on Aug 14, 2019 6:59:11 GMT
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Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 14, 2019 7:11:18 GMT
Maybe she should try snapping her thumb?
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Post by madjack on Aug 14, 2019 7:13:24 GMT
This is honestly feeling waaaay too obvious about painting Eggs as a potential crush. I can't help but think there's a reversal in the works.
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Post by Eversist on Aug 14, 2019 7:15:45 GMT
This is honestly feeling waaaay too obvious about painting Eggs as a potential crush. I can't help but think there's a reversal in the works. Gotta say, I'm not really reading these interactions that way. I think it's possible she's just embarrassed in a regular way (being a standoffish jerk as she can be with Eggers and then can't do what they claim they can). But I guess it's possible... (especially as a fakeout). |
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Post by madjack on Aug 14, 2019 7:21:34 GMT
Gotta say, I'm not really reading these interactions that way. I think it's possible she's just embarrassed in a regular way (being a standoffish jerk as she can be with Eggs and then can't do what they claim they can). But I guess it's possible... I'd agree except it feels like she's acting a bit too touchy? It's possible I'm reading into things that aren't there (although that's half the fun), and this is Princess Pffft we're talking about who's shown she's perfectly capable of being that prissy regardless. |
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Post by dawolf on Aug 14, 2019 7:47:25 GMT
This is honestly feeling waaaay too obvious about painting Eggs as a potential crush. I can't help but think there's a reversal in the works. Annie is what, 16ish? He is literally the same age as her parents. |
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Post by madjack on Aug 14, 2019 7:55:37 GMT
This is honestly feeling waaaay too obvious about painting Eggs as a potential crush. I can't help but think there's a reversal in the works. Annie is what, 16ish? He is literally the same age as her parents. And this has stopped a hormonal teenager when? (Hint: Never) Please note I am also not actually advocating for this, it's an academic discussion all about the wildspec. |
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Post by arf on Aug 14, 2019 8:14:39 GMT
The two Annies continue to exhibit behavioural differences (I don't see Fannie pulling the flamboyant pose that Courtney just flubbed, although she might have been just as embarrassed if she did).
I wonder if it arises from recent exposure to court or forest?
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Post by noone3 on Aug 14, 2019 8:24:59 GMT
I wonder if it arises from recent exposure to court or forest? Could be chemicals in her makeup. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Aug 14, 2019 8:30:49 GMT
This is honestly feeling waaaay too obvious about painting Eggs as a potential crush. I can't help but think there's a reversal in the works. What are you even talking about? |
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Post by madjack on Aug 14, 2019 8:38:56 GMT
This is honestly feeling waaaay too obvious about painting Eggs as a potential crush. I can't help but think there's a reversal in the works. What are you even talking about? Am I really reading way too much into this? It looks to me like she's getting way more embarrassed than she has to over what's essentially nothing.. Unless there were other reasons for that embarrassment. |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 14, 2019 8:55:14 GMT
New theory, before anyone else claims it: Courtney and Eglamore can hear and feel rumbling and shaking, but do not see anything... because they are standing on the giant and just entered it. Still, I cannot help but wait for Kirk or Picard to have a friendly chat with the aliens that are obviously influencing everyone's minds and/or blocking their abilities and equipment. (Why am I not convinced that Annie's fire is not simply invisible? Because I assume Annie does not just *see* her own fire, but *feels* it as well, and I am not sure the wisps are able to block out that sensation.)
I hope for the next page to show what happens when Annie tries to look into the Ether.
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 14, 2019 9:21:22 GMT
What are you even talking about? Am I really reading way too much into this? It looks to me like she's getting way more embarrassed than she has to over what's essentially nothing.. Unless there were other reasons for that embarrassment. I was just about the ask the same question as Druplesnubb . But let me offer an alternative explanation for her embarassment: First, Annie generally does not want help from adults, especially not from James, whom she does not like. That has been established for about 1500 pages. Second, she was probably offended by James' reaction to her plan to enter the forest and stop the maddened "Ysengrin", thinking he still sees her as child needing protection (whether that is true or not is not the question, I am speaking from Annie's perspective here). A few months later, Courtney learns that she in fact did not stop the attack, but was sent back like a decoy to appease the Court, while Loup had a most interesting talk with her alter ego. That has got to be a huge bruise for her ego. Come the mission to retrieve the bone and water, as soon as he is alone with Courtney, James starts patronizing her again with no apparent reason, claiming she should not have come because of some unseen danger. Then he admits that at least she is handy as a living walkie-talkie, which he probably meant as a compliment, but again looks like patronizing behaviour to Courtney. She now wants to prove herself, prove that she can take care of herself, handle danger herself, and be useful in a team. And now she has a good reason to use her fire powers - she was probably looking forward to it...and it does not work! Her mightiest ability is just...gone. To Annie that has to feel like a really bad dream where she wants to run but cannot move. Like getting ready to go on stage, rock the crowd and win the contest, and realizing she has forgotten her guitar at home. Or that someone stepped on it and broke it. While that jerk who always thought she could not play an instrument is sitting in the audience. Or being surrounded by enemies which she could fend off, being the most talented shooter, and realizing her gun's magazine is empty.
So, to make it short: It is a mixture of embarassment from not being able to deliver on the buildup she herself created by striking that pose and so on; from not being able to show that patronizing jerk what she is capable of; and fear from the realization of being lost in hostile territory and not having both her best weapon and most versatile utility.
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Post by madjack on Aug 14, 2019 9:40:04 GMT
So, to make it short: It is a mixture of embarassment from not being able to deliver on the buildup she herself created by striking that pose and so on; from not being able to show that patronizing jerk what she is capable of; and fear from the realization of being lost in hostile territory and not having both her best weapon and most versatile utility. That point about being a living decoy and the possible ego hit is a really good one. Actually, that whole argument is really well reasoned. Part of me wants to play devil's advocate in reply and posit that it could be she doesn't like that she does like him despite the treatment, but I'll accept I've probably tunnel-visioned myself into seeing what I was expecting to see rather than what's actually there. |
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Post by shadow3 on Aug 14, 2019 9:43:39 GMT
If the wisps trap them in a maze of illusions, it would be so awesome to have Gunnerkrigg's Minotaur make an appearance to help them out. While in an illusion, time and space can be distorted and powers may not work as they are supposed to... |
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Post by arf on Aug 14, 2019 10:23:43 GMT
If the wisps trap them in a maze of illusions, it would be so awesome to have Gunnerkrigg's Minotaur make an appearance to help them out. While in an illusion, time and space can be distorted and powers may not work as they are supposed to... While it would be awesome to see Basil come to the rescue, bear in mind that he is familiar with *labyrinths*, not mazes. Annies know the difference. |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 14, 2019 12:01:57 GMT
So, to make it short: It is a mixture of embarassment from not being able to deliver on the buildup she herself created by striking that pose and so on; from not being able to show that patronizing jerk what she is capable of; and fear from the realization of being lost in hostile territory and not having both her best weapon and most versatile utility. That point about being a living decoy and the possible ego hit is a really good one. Actually, that whole argument is really well reasoned. Part of me wants to play devil's advocate in reply and posit that it could be she doesn't like that she does like him despite the treatment, but I'll accept I've probably tunnel-visioned myself into seeing what I was expecting to see rather than what's actually there. That feeling is certainly something that exists - I remember a female friend of mine who felt that way about a certain guy: he was an insufferable jerk and a total macho, but she still was not able to help having her legs turn to jelly every time she met him - buuut I think this is not the case here. Or at least I would expect some slightly more obvious signs if he was really meant to be her secret crush. If said crush even has any importance to the story. Of course, readers of works like GKC will always think "It was mentioned, so it must be important.", and then look for hints and clues on every other page... I certainly cannot except myself from that. It is natural reader behaviour. |
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Post by netherdan on Aug 14, 2019 12:12:30 GMT
I hope next page to see what happens when Annie tries to look into the Ether.
It's possible that she would see the wisps feeding off and/or depositing eggs onto everyone in real life, supposing wisps cannot manipulate one's ether vision, but something about it strikes as way too dark for the comic To Annie that has to feel like a really bad dream where she wants to run but cannot move. The fact that that actually happened to 2 out of 3 groups suggests that they might indeed be trapped in bad dreams/illusions and nothing like that is really happening in the waking world |
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Post by DonDueed on Aug 14, 2019 13:10:08 GMT
This whole situation made me think of...
We were talking About the space between us all And the people Who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion Never glimpse the truth Then it's far too late... They don't know, they can't see, Are you one of them?
- George Harrison, Within You Without You
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 14, 2019 13:36:50 GMT
I think it's really weird, that Courtnie can't feel her powers being used. If it turns out that the Annies can't look into the Ether, maybe they whole Annies/Renard conversation is being fabricated or reinterpreted.
What if, the wisp illusion is the illusion of self? What if Eglamore thinks he's Courtnie, and visa versa? Cvet, Eglamore, and Parley could be having a conversation out loud, that the wisps reinterpret to them as a familiar conversation. That would keep the Carver twins from using their powers, because why would Eggs and Cvet ever think of fire blasting someone? Renard could be fending off a tiny wisp thinking he's Parley. Of course, that would Frannie hilariously tried to fly. And the gossiping...
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 14, 2019 13:53:14 GMT
I think it's really weird, that Courtnie can't feel her powers being used. If it turns out that the Annies can't look into the Ether, maybe they whole Annies/Renard conversation is being fabricated or reinterpreted. What if, the wisp illusion is the illusion of self? What if Eglamore thinks he's Courtnie, and visa versa? Cvet, Eglamore, and Parley could be having a conversation out loud, that the wisps reinterpret to them as a familiar conversation. That would keep the Carver twins from using their powers, because why would Eggs and Cvet ever think of fire blasting someone? Renard could be fending off a tiny wisp thinking he's Parley. Of course, that would Frannie hilariously tried to fly. And the gossiping... We already had that twist. But it would give an interesting meaning to Courtney's and Eglamore's behaviour... each one is actually unknowingly giving their impression of the other one, hence the increased awkwardness. Who would be the actual gossip then? I hope next page to see what happens when Annie tries to look into the Ether.
It's possible that she would see the wisps feeding off and/or depositing eggs onto everyone in real life, supposing wisps cannot manipulate one's ether vision, but something about it strikes as way too dark for the comic Probably. Still, I would be very interested to learn which goals wisps actually have. The one that approached Annie in Fun City obviously wanted to be smuggled into the Court, but to what end? Or do they simply want to do what actual social wasps do - hunt, eat, build nests and increase their numbers? And are there social wisps as well as solitary ones? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 14, 2019 14:51:34 GMT
It's possible that she would see the wisps feeding off and/or depositing eggs onto everyone in real life, supposing wisps cannot manipulate one's ether vision, but something about it strikes as way too dark for the comic Probably. Still, I would be very interested to learn which goals wisps actually have. The one that approached Annie in Fun City obviously wanted to be smuggled into the Court, but to what end? Or do they simply want to do what actual social wasps do - hunt, eat, build nests and increase their numbers? And are there social wisps as well as solitary ones? It's a good question! It's easy to forget sometimes that the Forest "invasion" isn't exactly any organized effort, but just whatever jerks want to go through Loup's new root system for a variety of reasons. Now I'm thinking of the other groups of Forest jerks we know about, and how the Wisps might compare...
I guess the one group whose motivations we've been explicitly told about are the Glass Eyed Men, who just have kind of an ancestral jealousy of humans and want to make things hard on them in whatever way they can. When we talked to some of Ysengrin's army, they basically just seemed motivated by raw machismo, and so I'm guessing they basically just want to fight humans because humans can be really tough sometimes and beating them up would make them look good to their macho buddies (Parley's Gurdig probably belonged to that group, if it ever existed at all).
The first Wisp we met was Fun City, just like Ysengrin's army, but it just didn't have the same attitude as the rest of them - like you said, it specifically tried to be smuggled in to the Court without anyone knowing, rather than trying to beat up the first human it saw. They might be more like the Glass Eyed Men, with some sort of grudge against humans we don't know the history of. I think the presence of literal wasp-like nests really supports your theory that they just have normal survival instincts, though. And the desire to move to the Court is probably just because it's way safer for them! Mind-manipulating abilities don't seem like they'd be all that useful in the animal kingdom - dire bears aren't exactly going to be easy to lead into temptation of complex plotting, for example - but we've already seen how well they work on humans. It's a bit like the rabbit's motivations for going to the Court, only much more predatory.
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 14, 2019 16:03:53 GMT
Probably. Still, I would be very interested to learn which goals wisps actually have. The one that approached Annie in Fun City obviously wanted to be smuggled into the Court, but to what end? Or do they simply want to do what actual social wasps do - hunt, eat, build nests and increase their numbers? And are there social wisps as well as solitary ones? It's a good question! It's easy to forget sometimes that the Forest "invasion" isn't exactly any organized effort, but just whatever jerks want to go through Loup's new root system for a variety of reasons. Now I'm thinking of the other groups of Forest jerks we know about, and how the Wisps might compare...
I guess the one group whose motivations we've been explicitly told about are the Glass Eyed Men, who just have kind of an ancestral jealousy of humans and want to make things hard on them in whatever way they can. When we talked to some of Ysengrin's army, they basically just seemed motivated by raw machismo, and so I'm guessing they basically just want to fight humans because humans can be really tough sometimes and beating them up would make them look good to their macho buddies (Parley's Gurdig probably belonged to that group, if it ever existed at all).
The first Wisp we met was Fun City, just like Ysengrin's army, but it just didn't have the same attitude as the rest of them - like you said, it specifically tried to be smuggled in to the Court without anyone knowing, rather than trying to beat up the first human it saw. They might be more like the Glass Eyed Men, with some sort of grudge against humans we don't know the history of. I think the presence of literal wasp-like nests really supports your theory that they just have normal survival instincts, though. And the desire to move to the Court is probably just because it's way safer for them! Mind-manipulating abilities don't seem like they'd be all that useful in the animal kingdom - dire bears aren't exactly going to be easy to lead into temptation of complex plotting, for example - but we've already seen how well they work on humans. It's a bit like the rabbit's motivations for going to the Court, only much more predatory.
You are right, the wisps must find the human world so much more appetizing to live in. So much more beings who can be manipulated into doing so much more different things. |
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Post by hp on Aug 14, 2019 16:56:07 GMT
New theory, before anyone else claims it: Courtney and Eglamore can hear and feel rumbling and shaking, but do not see anything... because they are standing on the giant and just entered it. I, for one, think nothing of that is real, including the giant. They're all still at the entrance of the place where the wisp made its nest, just standing there together with their eyes closed, dreaming TF away.
Or maybe not standing still, but being guided by the illusion to make their way through the rubble towards the center of the nest — where the wisp awaits, holding a fork and a knife, with a napkin tied to its neck.
Someone goes "According to the tracker the items are somewhere around this area". They take a step in, get immediately caught in the wisp trap and seamlessly enter the "simulation" without noticing. Judging from the Annies' conversation, they didn't even noticed how and when the group split, they just looked back and no one was around. |
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Post by DonDueed on Aug 14, 2019 17:55:02 GMT
New theory, before anyone else claims it: Courtney and Eglamore can hear and feel rumbling and shaking, but do not see anything... because they are standing on the giant and just entered it. I, for one, think nothing of that is real, including the giant. They're all still at the entrance of the place where the wisp made its nest, just standing there together with their eyes closed, dreaming TF away.
Or maybe not standing still, but being guided by the illusion to make their way through the rubble towards the center of the nest — where the wisp awaits, holding a fork and a knife, with a napkin tied to its neck.
Someone goes "According to the tracker the items are somewhere around this area". They take a step in, get immediately caught in the wisp trap and seamlessly enter the "simulation" without noticing. Judging from the Annies' conversation, they didn't even noticed how and when the group split, they just looked back and no one was around. Can we even be sure these phenomena are being created by wisps? It could be some other spellcaster creating the illusion of wisps creating illusions...
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
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Post by netherdan on Aug 14, 2019 21:12:06 GMT
You are right, the wisps must find the human world so much more appetizing to live in. So much more beings who can be manipulated into doing so much more different things. So much more walking meat to be stung and injected with your precious eggs to hatch into meat loving wisp larvae. Seriously I'd be surprised if all of that wisp's talk about wishing to "rejoin its brethren" wasn't just a ruse to keep Annie's attention off the big painful sting that was about to happen. They're just psychic mind controlling wasps to me until proven contrary! |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 14, 2019 23:38:39 GMT
I, for one, think nothing of that is real, including the giant. They're all still at the entrance of the place where the wisp made its nest, just standing there together with their eyes closed, dreaming TF away. Or maybe not standing still, but being guided by the illusion to make their way through the rubble towards the center of the nest — where the wisp awaits, holding a fork and a knife, with a napkin tied to its neck. Someone goes "According to the tracker the items are somewhere around this area". They take a step in, get immediately caught in the wisp trap and seamlessly enter the "simulation" without noticing. Judging from the Annies' conversation, they didn't even noticed how and when the group split, they just looked back and no one was around. Can we even be sure these phenomena are being created by wisps? It could be some other spellcaster creating the illusion of wisps creating illusions... How deep does the rabbit hole go?
All of "Gunnerkrigg Court" is prehistoric Jones having hallucinatory dreams about the future. And when she wakes up... |
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Post by todd on Aug 14, 2019 23:59:38 GMT
I guess the one group whose motivations we've been explicitly told about are the Glass Eyed Men, who just have kind of an ancestral jealousy of humans and want to make things hard on them in whatever way they can. When we talked to some of Ysengrin's army, they basically just seemed motivated by raw machismo, and so I'm guessing they basically just want to fight humans because humans can be really tough sometimes and beating them up would make them look good to their macho buddies I'd forgotten about Coyote listing that as one of the reasons why the shadow people hate humans, but I'd suspected that Ysengrin's army were driven by a desire for "glory in war". (It makes me wonder whether the Court's "Jeanne's ghost" scheme actually *encouraged* attempts to cross the Annan Waters - the attraction of a formidable adversary to battle.) I wonder whether Ysengrin/Loup has shared his knowledge with the forest-folk that the Court's experiments with the ether are endangering Gilltie Wood. (It'd certainly provide an additional incentive.) |
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Post by DonDueed on Aug 15, 2019 15:36:06 GMT
Can we even be sure these phenomena are being created by wisps? It could be some other spellcaster creating the illusion of wisps creating illusions... How deep does the rabbit hole go?
All of "Gunnerkrigg Court" is prehistoric Jones having hallucinatory dreams about the future. And when she wakes up... ... she's in bed with Bob Newhart? |
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Post by zaferion on Aug 16, 2019 2:31:10 GMT
I need this chapter to get to the point. It's beginning to feel like an overwrought scheme by Tom to display the girls' new three way magical walkie talkie
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