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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 12, 2019 7:00:26 GMT
After the contract's signed, the teeth come out. What happened to the need to punish Kat with jail? The necessity of that evaporated once she signed the contract, so it appears that's a tactic. And looks like the comic being up early's a regular thing now so I'm going to stop commenting on it.
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Post by madjack on Jun 12, 2019 7:02:30 GMT
Kat you already have one cool transformation, stop being greedy. Edit: Also yeah there is absolutely no way this will come back to haunt her later. Literally, since clippy looks like a ghost.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jun 12, 2019 7:03:21 GMT
"Enjoy your subscription to AoL"
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Post by Futurismo on Jun 12, 2019 7:11:14 GMT
There's definitely something really suspicious about how insistent they were about Kat needing to be punished, only to relax the moment she asks for a new contract. More and more, I can't help but feel that while there needed to be a resolution of the contractual conflict now that they can track the arrow, it was mostly used as an excuse to push Kat into signing a binding contract (I didn't mean literally, but this is the ether, so I guess yeah, literally too.) that gives them more control, or at least overhead of her actions in the future, with the right to really dedicate resources to dealing with the owner of the arrow permanently if she messes up again.
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Post by zaferion on Jun 12, 2019 7:14:41 GMT
Local troll Tom Siddell toying with the emotions of everyone who expected and wanted Kat's goddess transformation
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Post by bicarbonat on Jun 12, 2019 7:22:00 GMT
Katya, Katya...Next thing you know, it's "We've made some changes to or Terms & Conditions. Click ACCEPT" and it's turtles all the way down.
At least if this goes sideways, Paz won't somehow blame either of the Annies, right? Settle that L with your lead-footed ladyfriend, Ms. Cadena-Blanco.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 12, 2019 7:22:42 GMT
I get the feeling that Clippy would probably be Lawful Evil on the D&D character alignment scale. But it's a very clumsy, ham-handed evil, given that over-the-top toothy grin.
Or possibly Lawful Neutral, as I'm not sure what Clippy's end goal is. The fact that they are obstructing our heroes, even threatening them with punishment, doesn't necessarily make them evil.
Either way, would you trust this creature to tell the truth about Annie's time shift?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 12, 2019 8:20:30 GMT
Also: Not having a copy of a contract you signed without reading means that you have little to no idea of terms you may be breaking and what penalties you agreed to pay in the event you breach one or more terms, what contingent liabilities you will assume if things go wrong even if it's not your fault, what rights to redress you may have waived, and what responsibilities (if any) that the other party has towards you...
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Post by Earin on Jun 12, 2019 8:37:41 GMT
After the contract's signed, the teeth come out. What happened to the need to punish Kat with jail? The necessity of that evaporated once she signed the contract, so it appears that's a tactic. And looks like the comic being up early's a regular thing now so I'm going to stop commenting on it. I feel like on a more meta-narrative line this is a promise from Tom not keep using the arrow as a mechanism for as-yet-undefined mystic handwavium. If that’s the case, it may get dissected, folded into the bot-to-human machine permanently, and never see the light of day again.
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Post by Eily on Jun 12, 2019 9:02:30 GMT
The fact that the Terms & Conditions part is kind of goofy, and such an obvious reference to the ones we know make me thing that this is a red herring. Mostly because I wouldn't expect Tom to rely on Kat picking up the giantest Idiot Ball, also because goofy breaks from "Gunnerkrig normal" are usually throwaway elements, like the fact that Kat moved in the Friends appartement (with Joey & Chandler bots) because that appartement would become mostly irrelevant to the narrative once Annie was bascailly removed from her life. Also, since that Terms & Conditions form is such an obvious reference real world ones, it would make sense for it to have the same consequences: meh. So I wouldn't focus so much on the form itself, but rather expect consequences to what was explicitly said and done. That is, there might be a time when Kat must use the arrow. Or maybe Kat is just a diversion here, and Clippy's aim always and only was to turn Renard into Annie's familiar.
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Post by puntino on Jun 12, 2019 10:53:29 GMT
I have this eerie feeling that by shifted they mean shifted in time. This could imply that one Annie would eventually collapse back into the other's origin point.
I kinda like the Annie twins as they are, and would be sad to see one of them go.
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Post by arf on Jun 12, 2019 10:54:27 GMT
"Enjoy your subscription to AoL" Kat: NO-Oo-oo-oo...! (I had an AOL subscription many years ago. Clearly intended to keep users in a cheap, gilded cage and fed on aol birdseed. Fortunately, I could slip between the bars with Netscape.) Anyone commented on Rey now coming with a user manual? I hope this is the subject of the bonus page
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Post by arf on Jun 12, 2019 10:57:23 GMT
I have this eerie feeling that by shifted they mean shifted in time. This could imply that one Annie would eventually collapse back into the other's origin point. I kinda like the Annie twins as they are, and would be sad to see one of them go. "Listen. Annie Carver has come unstuck in time."
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 12, 2019 11:56:36 GMT
I get the feeling that Clippy would probably be Lawful Evil on the D&D character alignment scale. But it's a very clumsy, ham-handed evil, given that over-the-top toothy grin. Or possibly Lawful Neutral, as I'm not sure what Clippy's end goal is. The fact that they are obstructing our heroes, even threatening them with punishment, doesn't necessarily make them evil. Either way, would you trust this creature to tell the truth about Annie's time shift? While I generally would not trust Clippy, I do not think it would have any reason to lie about what being "shifted" means. Also, all this talk of shifting always makes me think of one of my favorite flash game series.
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 12, 2019 11:58:29 GMT
I have this eerie feeling that by shifted they mean shifted in time. This could imply that one Annie would eventually collapse back into the other's origin point. I kinda like the Annie twins as they are, and would be sad to see one of them go. "Listen. Annie Carver has come unstuck in time." If I was in Dresden in February '45 I'd want to come unstuck in time too.
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 12, 2019 13:33:55 GMT
This may have all been mostly setup for later narrative (and a little comedy). Just as long as, Clippy doesn't say one has to die, I'm good. I'm liking the Carver Twins. Clippy's jesting, and general comedic feel, still makes me think a more serious tone will fall with Arthur's awakening.
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Post by netherdan on Jun 12, 2019 13:40:02 GMT
So she IS keeping the arrow. Then owning it is not a crime, just making bad stuff with it? Now that it's clarified (and legally bound) that she would only use it on living bodies she creates to transfer willing living minds it's okay to use it?
This opens for a weird course of action: Kat can now create a body for Reynard! A mindless body that wouldn't die when he leaves, assuming he leave it in one of those extended relaxation chambers. And now he can do it without Annie losing ownership over him (mainly because there's no more ownership, but a familiar bond). I seriously hope Tom do not do this. Human Reynard would be weird...
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 12, 2019 14:08:52 GMT
So she IS keeping the arrow. Then owning it is not a crime, just making bad stuff with it? Now that it's clarified (and legally bound) that she would only use it on living bodies she creates to transfer willing living minds it's okay to use it? This opens for a weird course of action: Kat can now create a body for Reynard! A mindless body that wouldn't die when he leaves, assuming he leave it in one of those extended relaxation chambers. And now he can do it without Annie losing ownership over him (mainly because there's no more ownership, but a familiar bond). I seriously hope Tom do not do this. Human Reynard would be weird... Who says the body would have to be human?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 12, 2019 15:04:04 GMT
I get the feeling that Clippy would probably be Lawful Evil on the D&D character alignment scale. But it's a very clumsy, ham-handed evil, given that over-the-top toothy grin. Or possibly Lawful Neutral, as I'm not sure what Clippy's end goal is. The fact that they are obstructing our heroes, even threatening them with punishment, doesn't necessarily make them evil. Either way, would you trust this creature to tell the truth about Annie's time shift? While I generally would not trust Clippy, I do not think it would have any reason to lie about what being "shifted" means. I suppose it depends upon what Clippy says. "According to our records, it looks like Loup time-shifted Ms. Carver." OK. "At time point 06262019, it appears that Loup will have sent Antimony Carver six months back into the past. This shift may have caused some memory loss." OK. "For a small fee, we can smoosh the two Annies back together again. Sign here, please." Wait.
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Post by netherdan on Jun 12, 2019 15:14:44 GMT
While I generally would not trust Clippy, I do not think it would have any reason to lie about what being "shifted" means. "At time point 06262019, it appears that Loup will have sent Antimony Carver six months back into the past. This shift may have caused some memory loss." OK. Oh. Oooh... OOH!! So both Annies would be the same, literally! And short hair is the one before being shifted back in time interacting with her future self that got her memory consumed and replaced by the talk! That means that, at some point, short hair will cease to exist! (actually, she will become long hair talking to Loup in the past, but will be removed from the current timeline we are following) That would be clever if it's true! (and that would also mean that Loup is just waiting for her to wear long hair clothes and that would just happen when her hair grows a bit longer)
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Post by MarineMonarch on Jun 12, 2019 16:21:46 GMT
I'd be surprised if the time shift theory turns out to be true. It seems a needlessly complicated and redundant way to get there to be two Annies when it's a totally reasonable solution to just say "hey Loup made two of you now". Not to mention I like having two Annies around as a vessel for interesting character stuff. I think we're getting too held up on the terminology of "shifted" here. Honestly I'm just kinda interested if Clippy or Saslamel has anything to say about Loup.
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 12, 2019 18:17:14 GMT
I'd be surprised if the time shift theory turns out to be true. It seems a needlessly complicated and redundant way to get there to be two Annies when it's a totally reasonable solution to just say "hey Loup made two of you now". Not to mention I like having two Annies around as a vessel for interesting character stuff. I think we're getting too held up on the terminology of "shifted" here. Honestly I'm just kinda interested if Clippy or Saslamel has anything to say about Loup. I figure cAnnie is in third gear, and fAnnie got shifted into overdrive.
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Post by arkadi on Jun 12, 2019 18:57:39 GMT
"Listen. Annie Carver has come unstuck in time." If I was in Dresden in February '45 I'd want to come unstuck in time too. As long as she doesn't become unstuck in canon...
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 12, 2019 22:45:03 GMT
So she IS keeping the arrow. Then owning it is not a crime, just making bad stuff with it? Now that it's clarified (and legally bound) that she would only use it on living bodies she creates to transfer willing living minds it's okay to use it? This opens for a weird course of action: Kat can now create a body for Reynard! A mindless body that wouldn't die when he leaves, assuming he leave it in one of those extended relaxation chambers. And now he can do it without Annie losing ownership over him (mainly because there's no more ownership, but a familiar bond). I seriously hope Tom do not do this. Human Reynard would be weird... Who says the body would have to be human? By the way, Renard already has a body that didn't die when he left it: His own.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 12, 2019 22:50:53 GMT
I feel like on a more meta-narrative line this is a promise from Tom not keep using the arrow as a mechanism for as-yet-undefined mystic handwavium. If that’s the case, it may get dissected, folded into the bot-to-human machine permanently, and never see the light of day again. That is, there might be a time when Kat must use the arrow. On further reflection, I think all this sets up a future dilemma for Kat similar to what Antimony faced when Smitty got injured freeing Jeanne. There will be some crisis where using the arrow in a way she just agreed not to will be of enormous utility and she will have to decide either to use it and face the consequences or refrain from using it and watch something bad happen. Arthur's probably going to vanish from the Court so I'll guess Robot will be damaged somehow and she can either use the arrow to insta-switch him to a new body or watch him die.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 12, 2019 23:25:08 GMT
I'd be surprised if the time shift theory turns out to be true. It seems a needlessly complicated and redundant way to get there to be two Annies when it's a totally reasonable solution to just say "hey Loup made two of you now". Not to mention I like having two Annies around as a vessel for interesting character stuff. I think we're getting too held up on the terminology of "shifted" here. Honestly I'm just kinda interested if Clippy or Saslamel has anything to say about Loup. Yeah, I know - time travel gives people headaches. Time travel is complicated. For example, let's say Loup appears out of nowhere after the end of "A New Contract," and decides to flick one of the Annies back into the past. That Annie would have to forget all knowledge of the other Annie, or else agree to act like a jerk around "the other me" for the sake of not violating the time-space continuum. Mindwipes are probably not a big deal for Loup. So, which Annie gets time flicked? If it's Court Annie, there would be two Annies. Court Annie would be caught in an endless time loop, where she "emerges from the forest" six months early (it has to be after "Evac" but before "Neither" gets underway... somehow she remembers Superpowered Ysengrin but not Loup), spends six months with Tony, meets herself when Forest Annie emerges, etc. and then gets flicked into the past again. If Forest Annie gets flicked, there would only be one Annie. "Forest Annie" would become "Court Annie" after six months at home. She would still suffer from memory loss, since Court Annie didn't know about Loup. Complicated? Yeah, way complicated. But Tom has done complicated before.
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Post by Darkfeather21 on Jun 13, 2019 3:00:10 GMT
Completely unrelated, does anyone else give Renard two different voices for when he's in toy form vs wolf form?
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Post by netherdan on Jun 13, 2019 12:28:14 GMT
So, which Annie gets time flicked? If it's Court Annie, there would be two Annies. Court Annie would be caught in an endless time loop, where she "emerges from the forest" six months early (it has to be after "Evac" but before "Neither" gets underway... somehow she remembers Superpowered Ysengrin but not Loup), spends six months with Tony, meets herself when Forest Annie emerges, etc. and then gets flicked into the past again. If Forest Annie gets flicked, there would only be one Annie. "Forest Annie" would become "Court Annie" after six months at home. She would still suffer from memory loss, since Court Annie didn't know about Loup. Come to think of it, any Annie could be shifted in the "one Annie" scenario. Either short hair is the original (non-shifted) and she is shifted back after she gains some more hair to emerge from the forest, or long hair is the non-shifted who magically grew some hair while talking to Loup and is bound to get shifted back when she gets a haircut. In both cases memory wipe and hair mechanics are involved. I think the "two Annies" scenario is less possible mainly because it involves creating another Annie to be trapped in the time Loup, and even if it's just a copy/paste it kinda falls under the "creating a soul" umbrella, something Coyote couldn't do (and Kat probably just did).
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Post by crater on Jun 13, 2019 13:38:35 GMT
dangit! Kat getting away scott free AGAIN I mean... yay....
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Post by MarineMonarch on Jun 13, 2019 14:07:25 GMT
Yeah, I know - time travel gives people headaches. Time travel is complicated. For example, let's say Loup appears out of nowhere after the end of "A New Contract," and decides to flick one of the Annies back into the past. That Annie would have to forget all knowledge of the other Annie, or else agree to act like a jerk around "the other me" for the sake of not violating the time-space continuum. Mindwipes are probably not a big deal for Loup. My problem with the time loop theory isn't that I don't understand it, or that it's complicated, or that I think it couldn't be possible within the story. I just don't think it'll happen because it's not like, interesting? I mean, what does it add to anything? The knowledge that Loup can send things to the past? Aging up Annie 6 months? Does it contribute to anything interesting in the plot, or does it create a more interesting scenario than what we have now? I mean maybe, I'd be interested in knowing if you think so. I really like having two Annies around, and I think it could prove really interesting in the future, so the idea of just going "actually it was one continuous Annie all along, and now there's only one again" is just really boring to me. It just seems a needless plot twist for the sake of there being a twist.
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