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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 29, 2019 7:05:41 GMT
Punished? Well that's just great then. [edit] "Using the contract on a living mind, which is not acceptable" apparently refers to the single-use contract being used, not the fact that there's a living mind being controlled. The system has no problem with that. [/edit]
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Post by eddddd on May 29, 2019 7:07:36 GMT
kat has great boots today
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Post by arf on May 29, 2019 7:07:53 GMT
Kat does seem elated by the prospect.
... just what *do* she and Paz get up to?
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Post by Gulby on May 29, 2019 7:08:48 GMT
I think that Kat will explain how she can correct it now that she knows what went wrong, but Clippy here (last panel suggests he is in fact Saslamel) will say it is too late. Ensuite, ethereal fight and bam, Kat is intronised as a goddess.
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Post by madjack on May 29, 2019 7:17:24 GMT
So from what I can grasp, Diego abused the fact that an object's ownership cannot be changed except by the owner and turned Jeanne and Elf-dude's love into a contract bond, forcing both of them to exist eternally waiting to fullfil a now impossible promise to each other. By making them to wait for each other he could ensure they couldn't escape the contract without renouncing their feelings for the other (or giving either the opportunity to really consider it by imprisoning them both).
Does that sound right? Because that is some big league cruelty.
Edit: More I think about it this doesn't quite fit but.. shrug
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Post by philman on May 29, 2019 7:26:05 GMT
Kat is oddly optimistic for someone being threatened with cosmic and bureaucratic jail by an all-knowing etheric being.
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Post by gpvos on May 29, 2019 7:39:01 GMT
Only a true scientist will find learning something new more important than the threat of imprisonment.
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Post by Sky Schemer on May 29, 2019 7:40:03 GMT
Kat is oddly optimistic for someone being threatened with cosmic and bureaucratic jail by an all-knowing etheric being. Clearly, she has realized that all she has to do is use the arrow to transfer the contract of ownership of the jail to her, and then she can let herself out. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on May 29, 2019 7:42:48 GMT
Other people: oh no we have problems
Kat: yay, new problems!
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Post by Futurismo on May 29, 2019 7:45:57 GMT
So the square speech boxes are the Interpreter's, well, interpretation of Arbiter Saslamel's explanation. I love how Saslamel and the Interpreter's faces are spliced together to convey that they're essentially speaking in sync.
I feel like that crumbling corner of background is a good visual metaphor for Kat breaking the tension.
The good news is that the Interpreter made it clear that Kat's process would have successfully transferred Arthur's mind to his new body, so that potential crisis is averted. And Kat was in fact using a copy of Annie's contract, not modifying it.
It seems that Kat would have created a single-use contract that gave Arthur ownership of Annie's stuffed toy, which would conflict with Annie's own contract that gave her ownership of the same stuffed toy still existing. So the problem here is that there are two single-use contracts promising each owner the same object. That wouldn't be so bad to resolve-- make an exception to wait until Arthur is in his new body and have Arthur either denounce ownership or agree with Annie to share Renard using a multi-use contract -- but the real problem here is the arrow which could allow you to straight up declare ownership of living beings, which is something that the Arbiter feels the need to punish, likely to set an example. Kat isn't worried about this, though.
I'm thinking Kat's confident is about how the contract can be used on a living mind; maybe Kat figured out a way to use that to resolve the conflict? Maybe she could allow herself to be owned by Arthur and presumably any later converted robots as a form of punishment? I'm sure that if this were to be the case, the robots would use it to accelerate her apotheosis somehow.
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Post by MarineMonarch on May 29, 2019 7:48:01 GMT
Katerina Donland: be gay, commit contract fraud
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Post by theonethatgotaway on May 29, 2019 7:51:45 GMT
I... I must confess I don't really understand what's going on? Somehow "filtering" the contract of Annie and Rey through the arrow made the arrow part of that contract, and as such it is now impossible to us the arrow in ANOTHER contract? But the arrow was already in and of itself part of a contract long ago, so wouldn't that make the very contract of Annie/Rey a problem too? Also, what is the impact and purpose of filtering any damn thing through an etheric arrow used to IMPRISON A SPIRIT!?
Also, confirmation that Kat DID manage to create a "mindless body", not just another robot! That makes her!!!! just-completely-on-par-with-the-Court-who-has-been-making-vessels-for-the-forest-creatures-for-forever.
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Post by Gulby on May 29, 2019 7:56:59 GMT
... Oooooor, Kat is that much confident about being put in etheric jail BECAUUUUUSE she already picked the arrow's lock, as if it were a mere child toy, and she has skills now, and how much more complicated it could be since this was already apparently a big deal for the others ?...  |
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Post by madjack on May 29, 2019 8:08:39 GMT
I'm thinking Kat's confident is about how the contract can be used on a living mind; maybe Kat figured out a way to use that to resolve the conflict? Maybe she could allow herself to be owned by Arthur and presumably any later converted robots as a form of punishment? I'm sure that if this were to be the case, the robots would use it to accelerate her apotheosis somehow. Ooh, or maybe she wants to use the arrow to either make Arthur's mind 'count as' alive or use it to force an object to living transfer to give him true humanity? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 29, 2019 8:14:10 GMT
Also, what is the impact and purpose of filtering any damn thing through an etheric arrow used to IMPRISON A SPIRIT!? Not sure but the arrow's etherically grabby so it is/was probably useful to perform various experiments in close proximity to it and see if anything gets pulled or pushed in one direction or other, anything gets separated from anything, any scripts change, or even if nothing at all unusual happens if the time or temperature changes in a curious way while the nothing unusual is happening. And then you do it again and see if the result is repeatable. |
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Post by rafk on May 29, 2019 9:43:38 GMT
I just have no idea how or why Kat is using the arrow in any of this.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 29, 2019 10:09:46 GMT
Kat knew she was using the arrow to fill a gap in her knowledge. Now she has the construct of contract law to fill in that gap. Kat can learn the rules of contract law and she now knows the entity that can teach her.
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Post by pyradonis on May 29, 2019 10:12:08 GMT
I just have no idea how or why Kat is using the arrow in any of this. I forgot the official term, but as someone in an earlier thread said, she probably did the equivalent of a programmer who just copies a good chunk of code that someone else wrote into their own solution, knowing that this particular code has a desired result, but not really understanding how said code works. |
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Post by timopy on May 29, 2019 10:13:13 GMT
I just have no idea how or why Kat is using the arrow in any of this. Kat originally used the arrow to filter and save the ownership transferring method (contract), which she then dissected and based her works on. She isn't using the arrow any more(?), but the mere fact that she has it is enough for imprisonment, as well as trying to breach a single-use contract right now. Something like that, anyway.
Wow a bunch of posts appeared while I was typing this. Well, the more the merrier.
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Post by pyradonis on May 29, 2019 10:13:57 GMT
Also I am pretty sure, only Clippy is saying "For this, you must be punished." Seeing as the speech bubble is round, not square, and has none of the arbiter's speech underlying. I trust that guy less and less.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on May 29, 2019 10:14:46 GMT
Also, what is the impact and purpose of filtering any damn thing through an etheric arrow used to IMPRISON A SPIRIT!? Not sure but the arrow's etherically grabby so it is/was probably useful to perform various experiments in close proximity to it and see if anything gets pulled or pushed in one direction or other, anything gets separated from anything, any scripts change, or even if nothing at all unusual happens if the time or temperature changes in a curious way while the nothing unusual is happening. And then you do it again and see if the result is repeatable. Sure, but wouldn't you start with something less impactfull? NOT your best friend, and her potentially mass-murder-toy-inhabiting-spirit? Knowing what the arrow did (trapping the spirit of etherically potent beings inside a pocketdimension) wasn't she in the least bit concerned she might trap one or the other inside? |
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Post by brilliantgrey on May 29, 2019 11:28:45 GMT
Also I am pretty sure, only Clippy is saying "For this, you must be punished." Seeing as the speech bubble is round, not square, and has none of the arbiter's speech underlying. I trust that guy less and less. how close is Kat to already having the big guy's language fully translated already? She's probably running it in the background as we speak. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 29, 2019 11:30:47 GMT
Not sure but the arrow's etherically grabby so it is/was probably useful to perform various experiments in close proximity to it and see if anything gets pulled or pushed in one direction or other, anything gets separated from anything, any scripts change, or even if nothing at all unusual happens if the time or temperature changes in a curious way while the nothing unusual is happening. And then you do it again and see if the result is repeatable. Sure, but wouldn't you start with something less impactfull? NOT your best friend, and her potentially mass-murder-toy-inhabiting-spirit? Knowing what the arrow did (trapping the spirit of etherically potent beings inside a pocketdimension) wasn't she in the least bit concerned she might trap one or the other inside? Kat seemed pretty sure that it was perfectly safe so I assume she did run some tests of the too-boring-to-be-in-a-comic sort that showed that there wouldn't be any soul-sucking. The problem appears to be that Kat didn't know that she should also be looking at potential impact on the relationship between the two parties. |
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Post by ctso74 on May 29, 2019 13:25:27 GMT
Kat has always idolized Tony the Tiger. Who could have guessed? I just have no idea how or why Kat is using the arrow in any of this. I forgot the official term, but as someone in an earlier thread said, she probably did the equivalent of a programmer who just copies a good chunk of code that someone else wrote into their own solution, knowing that this particular code has a desired result, but not really understanding how said code works. Voodoo programming. Kat did a cut-and-paste job, and someone with more knowledge of the language, is pointing out the errors. Her "That's great!" could be her grasping how to write her own function, rather than jury-rig the Diego-written code. I wonder, with all the legalese coming from Clippy, if Tom is actual describing behind-the-scenes code, that he has written down somewhere. |
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Post by tustin2121 on May 29, 2019 13:33:09 GMT
So from this page, we've learned that the robots/golems are indeed "non-living" in the eyes of etheric law and thus they must be owned by someone, and that you cannot own a "living mind", which basically makes slavery impossible under etheric ownership laws. Which... actually puts an interesting spin on Renard's "The mind is nothing but a plaything of the body" line. Because Renard technically doesn't own his own body, which is housing his mind/spirit... but Annie isn't allowed to own Renard's mind/spirit under etheric ownership laws... and yet she own's Renard's body... and this means that she can command him and he must obey her commands... ...Um, excuse me, Mr. Arbiter! o/ I have many questions about this whole "contract on a living mind" thing! |
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Post by ohthatone on May 29, 2019 13:37:36 GMT
How the heck did Diego get away with creating the arrow if just owning the arrow is punishable?
DID he get away with it?
Maybe Kat is going to Ether jail and we'll see Diego there.
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Post by netherdan on May 29, 2019 13:44:56 GMT
Also I am pretty sure, only Clippy is saying "For this, you must be punished." Seeing as the speech bubble is round, not square, and has none of the arbiter's speech underlying. I trust that guy less and less. how close is Kat to already having the big guy's language fully translated already? She's probably running it in the background as we speak. Plot twist: Kat is answering to what Saslamel said, which has nothing to do with what Clippy is "interpreting". This is a diversion tactic to test her ability to understand the contract/golem/Diego code/language and on Friday they'll be congratulating her on becoming a wizard with magical abilities! |
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Post by darlos9d on May 29, 2019 14:18:19 GMT
how close is Kat to already having the big guy's language fully translated already? She's probably running it in the background as we speak. Plot twist: Kat is answering to what Saslamel said, which has nothing to do with what Clippy is "interpreting". This is a diversion tactic to test her ability to understand the contract/golem/Diego code/language and on Friday they'll be congratulating her on becoming a wizard with magical abilities! God I hope so. This rules business is the pits. What would even be a multi-use contract??? |
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 29, 2019 14:56:10 GMT
Kat's not wearing a leather outfit, so I doubt she's responding directly to being "punished."
But she does appear to be making a literal "breakthrough."
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Post by ohthatone on May 29, 2019 15:07:14 GMT
how close is Kat to already having the big guy's language fully translated already? She's probably running it in the background as we speak. Plot twist: Kat is answering to what Saslamel said, which has nothing to do with what Clippy is "interpreting". This is a diversion tactic to test her ability to understand the contract/golem/Diego code/language and on Friday they'll be congratulating her on becoming a wizard with magical abilities!
It's the audio version of Annie's ethervision. Annie: Kat! What's great about being punished?? Kat: Punished? I have no idea what the floating peep is saying but Saslamel here is brilliant.
Actually I think Kat is just happy that she has confirmation her experiment was going to work.
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