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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 6, 2019 8:03:08 GMT
Sounds like Fannie has wanted to talk about a lot of things. Not sure if she's been wanting to talk to Courtnie or Kat or if anyone would do. Not surprising that Courtnie says Anthony hasn't morphed into someone else. |
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Post by arf on Mar 6, 2019 8:07:00 GMT
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Post by Corvo on Mar 6, 2019 8:11:23 GMT
"Wait, does it mean father doesn't believe I'm his real daughter?"
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 6, 2019 8:16:26 GMT
Maybe but not necessarily. What's shown in the comic might be the extent of Anthony opening up to Fannie, and that might have been a fluke prompted by the absurdity of the situation. The rest of the conversation they had may have revolved exclusively around household tasks and cooking. |
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Post by philman on Mar 6, 2019 8:18:55 GMT
It'snot as if they were talking about anything substantial, exclamations at the weirdness of the situation, followed by helping with cooking etc. Although given that even going that far is a massive step up for both Tony and Annie shows just how broken they are. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Mar 6, 2019 8:30:41 GMT
Don't tell her, Fannie. Please for the love of God, don't blurt out something that'll start a fight just when you're making progress.
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Post by merry76 on Mar 6, 2019 8:45:41 GMT
It'snot as if they were talking about anything substantial, exclamations at the weirdness of the situation, followed by helping with cooking etc. Although given that even going that far is a massive step up for both Tony and Annie shows just how broken they are. Any parent that is able to stay away for YEARS without any significant communication to his children has some mayor damage.
I am a father of 2, and not or hearing from them for a week is hard.
I am not saying Tony is beyond repair, but he needs some fixing...
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Post by iver on Mar 6, 2019 9:13:48 GMT
Oh! They're bonding! Awesome!
Y'know those days when you really want to talk about a thing, but you don't want to bother anyone about it or you feel like there is not a soul who could understand? And what you're left with is yourself?
I think Annie(s) could learn a lot this way. (provided they don't delude themselves... sigh, introspection is hard work, even when made explicit through magic and general loopy devilry)
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Post by saardvark on Mar 6, 2019 9:49:23 GMT
It'snot as if they were talking about anything substantial, exclamations at the weirdness of the situation, followed by helping with cooking etc. Although given that even going that far is a massive step up for both Tony and Annie shows just how broken they are. Well, Tony does do a kind of "deep reveal" and say that putting up with himself is "his worst nightmare" - indicating to his own daughter the depths of his self doubt and self loathing. It's done as an amusing toss off, but it is a deep and profound thing to unveil about oneself, especially to one's child. Maybe he senses something in Frannie that made him more open to share some of his core feelings about himself...? Maybe just that they are both oddly like fish out of water in their own lives, Frannie more recently due to the twinning/time delay, but Tony... like forever. |
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Post by zaferion on Mar 6, 2019 11:23:52 GMT
Uh oh. Courtney is not going to be happy if Fannie doesn't keep her mouth shut
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 6, 2019 11:35:02 GMT
I do not think those three sentences qualified as talking to someone. And cooking together without conversation is easy. |
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 6, 2019 14:31:03 GMT
Possibly he can now talk to either one, but C!Annie hasn't found that out yet. After all, she spent the last few days at Kat's (as far as we know) so only F!Annie has spent time alone with Tony since she showed up. |
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Post by brilliantgrey on Mar 6, 2019 14:36:14 GMT
Just looked back to that convo with Ys...it was pretty... interesting. I'd forgotten it happened. |
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 6, 2019 15:01:14 GMT
I think it's more like pft!Annie just hasn't noticed the small subtle changes and it will take someone on the outside (Forest!Annie) to point them out.
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 6, 2019 15:13:35 GMT
It'snot as if they were talking about anything substantial, exclamations at the weirdness of the situation, followed by helping with cooking etc. Although given that even going that far is a massive step up for both Tony and Annie shows just how broken they are. I do not think those three sentences qualified as talking to someone. And cooking together without conversation is easy. Everything is relative. No pun intended. After six months, Tony quietly making microsteps against his self-loathing might be old hat for Courtnie, especially falling short of her expectations. For Fannie, the same actions could seem like the beginning of solid progress. What kind of psychological medications would the Court have? I imagine they'd be pretty good at their needed task. Would you be able to trust them, though? Sadly, I doubt Tony would. So without going through the process of finding the proper prescription for him, or talking in therapy, that leaves Tony meditating on his self-doubt and colossal mistakes. At least, he seems to have stopped self-medicating with alcohol. |
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Post by novia on Mar 6, 2019 15:54:32 GMT
My exact thoughts when reading this comic: DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN |
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Post by novia on Mar 6, 2019 16:09:55 GMT
Possibly he can now talk to either one, but C!Annie hasn't found that out yet. After all, she spent the last few days at Kat's (as far as we know) so only F!Annie has spent time alone with Tony since she showed up. Excellent point. It's even conceivable that she has never been alone with Tony without Renard around for the last 6 monthsBut I'm betting it's exactly as it appears: that Fannie can talk to, "the real Tony" and Courtney can't. This will allow us to have some exposition eventually with Fannie confronting her father like, "dude, she is literally me, why can't you talk to her? is it the hair?? *puts a wig on her*" and possibly figuring out the secrets of Tony's curse. Or, more likely, Fannie will die right before that expected dramatic moment and we'll just be left with Courtney as the main character and also a lot of frustration. |
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Post by jocobo on Mar 6, 2019 16:23:26 GMT
I do not think those three sentences qualified as talking to someone. And cooking together without conversation is easy. While it's possible they didn't communicate any further, really it's Tony's demeanor that seems to be notably different to . Open laughter and smiles in every panel. That seems to imply, even if no more words were spoken, there was a amicable silence. Tony was being friendly. Its a notable departure from his usual blankness and controlled demeanor whenever Annie is in earshot. It's entirely possible too much is being read into it, but wouldn't be surprised if something is up. |
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Post by Per on Mar 6, 2019 16:34:33 GMT
At least, he seems to have stopped self-medicating with alcohol. Did we see him consume any alcohol that wasn't administered by Don the Don? |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Mar 6, 2019 17:42:25 GMT
Well, at least they finally got around to the other-shoe-dropping "you think you've got it bad, I've been completely out of the loop for six months" part of the conversation.
(Oops, no pun intended.)
And I'm not reading too much into Court's reaction. She's been the frog in the pot for six months who probably hasn't noticed any change whatsoever in Tony's behavior.
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Post by Eve Swann on Mar 6, 2019 20:08:25 GMT
Well, at least they finally got around to the other-shoe-dropping "you think you've got it bad, I've been completely out of the loop for six months" part of the conversation. (Oops, no pun intended.) Ba-dum-tsh!
Hopefully this will lead to some bonding through empathy to each other's problems. Unless Forest!Annie blabs about her smiley time with dad and Court!Annie goes green eyed.
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Post by fia on Mar 6, 2019 20:12:25 GMT
Oh no! I am one of those who thinks this indicates something Big. One of these is true: (1) Tony can talk to Fannie but not Courtney because Fannie is not the real Annie - it's the one thing Fannie doesn't share with past Annie. (2) Tony can talk to Fannie but not Courtney because of some property Courtney has that Loup isolated; something dislikable, rigid, awkward, or salty, or just a similarity to Tony that means that Tony doesn't like her so much. Fannie is more like her mother, and less like Tony than past Annie was. (2b) Like the previous except it's not that Courtney is especially endowed, but because Fannie is especially endowed. Maybe Fannie is more open, or less self-conscious, or more agreeable, or less neurotic or something. She has some alchemical property that jibes better with Tony's. (3) Actually Fannie is the real Annie; Tony figured it out because he has special Dad Instincts and kept up the ruse until his real daughter came back. When she did, he was more open because of their previous slow progress on their relationship. (4) Something else metaphysically crazy. Like Loup also changed Tony for Annie's benefit; or it turns out Annie contained two people literally all along. Who knows??? I am excited for Friday! |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 6, 2019 20:30:53 GMT
I think...ok, you know what? Here's what I'm actually thinking after reading (the last panel of) today's page:
For years I have tried to be one of the voices of reason in the GC fanbase when it comes to Tony. I have rushed to try and argue against excessive demonization of Tony, as well as excessive forgiveness. I have put considerable effort in analyzing his character, the conscious and sub-conscious reasons behind his actions, the local and far-reaching consequences of his actions, the similarities between him and other characters in the comic, and the similarities between him and people in the real world.
NO MORE.
THIS IS THE LAST STRAW.
PUNCH HIM IN HIS STUPID, DYSFUNCTIONAL FACE UNTIL HE EITHER STARTS BEING A DECENT F%#%ING HUMAN BEING, OR HE DIES.
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 6, 2019 20:53:32 GMT
PUNCH HIM IN HIS STUPID, DYSFUNCTIONAL FACE UNTIL HE EITHER STARTS BEING A DECENT F%#%ING HUMAN BEING, OR HE DIES. Come on, mturtle7, tell us what you really think. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Mar 6, 2019 21:57:34 GMT
Perhaps Tony can open up with Sylvan Annie because he doesn't see her as his own daughter?? Where as Courtnie he still sees as his daughter and thus is closed off still?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 6, 2019 22:38:05 GMT
It would be pretty twisted if Anthony can talk more easily with Fannie than Courtnie because he thinks there's a chance Fannie isn't really his daughter.
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Post by Angry Individual on Mar 6, 2019 23:38:30 GMT
I always forget how much people hate Tony. Honestly, I find this incredibly interesting. Because if he only acts like this around F!Annie, C!Annie is about to get hurt really hard. And it will be dramatically glorious. HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Post by netherdan on Mar 7, 2019 0:30:39 GMT
After six months, Tony quietly making microsteps against his self-loathing might be old hat for Courtnie, especially falling short of her expectations. For Fannie, the same actions could seem like the beginning of solid progress. This. And I'm not reading too much into Court's reaction. She's been the frog in the pot for six months who probably hasn't noticed any change whatsoever in Tony's behavior. And this. Don't tell her, Fannie. Please for the love of God, don't blurt out something that'll start a fight just when you're making progress. I guess talking about it will cause some distress but in the long run will be healthier for both since Annie will point out all the "obvious" progress her dad made that Antimony didn't notice. Also, there's the fact that Reynard lives with them and they had little chance to be truly alone so his progress might have been even more subtle than expected |
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Post by Geekette on Mar 7, 2019 8:16:31 GMT
I don't think I saw it discussed here, but maybe I missed it; how big a possibility do people think it is that all this adventure isn't real? That everything that's happened since the two Annies were sealed together has been an illusion by Ayilu?
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Post by hnau on Mar 7, 2019 10:03:04 GMT
Perhaps Tony can open up with Sylvan Annie because he doesn't see her as his own daughter?? Where as Courtnie he still sees as his daughter and thus is closed off still? , Courtnie said: "These past few months father and I have finally been able to reconnect." |
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