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Post by Angry Individual on Jan 18, 2019 8:02:25 GMT
What a silly and totally non-threatening thing Paz just did.
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Post by madjack on Jan 18, 2019 8:02:55 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaand the award for scariest character goes to.....
"Tries very hard" is piquing my curiosity though. Tries hard for what? Why does she need to do that?
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Post by merry76 on Jan 18, 2019 8:03:16 GMT
Beware the nice ones?
Beware the nice ones!
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Post by jda on Jan 18, 2019 8:04:22 GMT
Define "make upset", Paz
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Post by CGAdam on Jan 18, 2019 8:06:27 GMT
Little miss talks-to-mice threatening a fire elemental? Pfft.
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Post by iver on Jan 18, 2019 8:09:10 GMT
See, that's interesting - first she calls her Annie, then she says "Whatever you are".
Also, yeesh, wouldn't wanna be on her blacklist...
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Post by faiiry on Jan 18, 2019 8:10:30 GMT
...huh? I'm not sure what to think about this. If Fannie is really the real Annie (however you want to interpret "real"), Paz knows she loves Kat and would never do anything to hurt her. Except perhaps unintentionally, which can't be avoided. If Fannie is a demonic being from the forest or something, then Paz's threats are empty and she's actually putting herself in danger by making them. Either way... this is silly.
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Post by madjack on Jan 18, 2019 8:13:14 GMT
...huh? I'm not sure what to think about this. If Fannie is really the real Annie (however you want to interpret "real"), Paz knows she loves Kat and would never do anything to hurt her. Except perhaps unintentionally, which can't be avoided. If Fannie is a demonic being from the forest or something, then Paz's threats are empty and she's actually putting herself in danger by making them. Either way... this is silly. I think we're all lacking some context at the moment. There's gotta be more to it. |
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Post by faiiry on Jan 18, 2019 8:14:00 GMT
...huh? I'm not sure what to think about this. If Fannie is really the real Annie (however you want to interpret "real"), Paz knows she loves Kat and would never do anything to hurt her. Except perhaps unintentionally, which can't be avoided. If Fannie is a demonic being from the forest or something, then Paz's threats are empty and she's actually putting herself in danger by making them. Either way... this is silly. I think we're all lacking some context at the moment. There's gotta be more to it. Yes, I feel the same, and I'd like to see exactly where this leads. Also, exactly what Paz's vengeance would be if Annie DOES end up hurting Kat somehow. |
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Post by Gotolei on Jan 18, 2019 8:19:12 GMT
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Post by ditchboyus on Jan 18, 2019 8:19:26 GMT
Little miss talks-to-mice threatening a fire elemental? Pfft.
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Post by madjack on Jan 18, 2019 8:19:44 GMT
Paz has never really cared about the danger she puts herself in when those she cares about are threatened. See: The Torn Sea, Traveller.
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Post by Anthony on Jan 18, 2019 8:21:57 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaand the award for scariest character goes to..... It's funny that the only character Mort was able to scare was Paz - with Annie's help btw. And now she is the scariest.  |
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Post by madjack on Jan 18, 2019 8:25:42 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaand the award for scariest character goes to..... It's funny that the only character Mort was able to scare was Paz - with Annie's help btw. And now she is the scariest. Let's be real though, Mort was never winning that award on his own. |
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Post by penguinguy on Jan 18, 2019 8:31:44 GMT
I think the art in panel four is very interesting with the shadows with very soft edges. I feel like most of the character art outside of the ether has flat colors and flat shadows. It's a nice effect though.
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Post by quinnr on Jan 18, 2019 8:36:51 GMT
It wasn't until this page that I turned back and noticed the _literal claws_ Paz was using on the previous page on the second to last panel. I think there 100% has to be something that happened in the past six months that changed the contours of Paz and Kat's relationship.
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Post by youwiththeface on Jan 18, 2019 8:53:24 GMT
Paz's worry for Kat is admirable....but if Annie wanted to hurt her or Kat, what could she do? The Seraphs were wrong to underestimate her back on that boat, but it's not like there's always going to be a Lindsay around for her to enlist. ...huh? I'm not sure what to think about this. If Fannie is really the real Annie (however you want to interpret "real"), Paz knows she loves Kat and would never do anything to hurt her. Except perhaps unintentionally, which can't be avoided. If Fannie is a demonic being from the forest or something, then Paz's threats are empty and she's actually putting herself in danger by making them. Either way... this is silly. Plus this. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 18, 2019 10:11:07 GMT
Paz is just being protective of her girl, I doubt she thought very hard about how she'd realistically handle Annie as a threat.
What I've begun to wonder is, does Paz trust Annie? Doppleganger shenanigans aside, I mean. Without the benefit of a reader's omniscient perspective, one could be forgiven for viewing Annie as a bad friend. Kat tends to do most of the emotional lifting in their friendship (at least as far as Paz has experienced), while Annie...well, trouble tends to follow her. And yes, Kat does attract trouble too, but Kat's trouble is related to her goal to make better/living robots, which Paz is fully onboard with. Annie's problems often happen for less scrutable reasons, which can make it hard to sympathize. I know I've been in a relationship with someone who had a friend I didn't trust. You try to be polite and give them the benefit of the doubt, but alone in a room together? Especially in a situation where yet-again it's a problem involving that friend? I'd be like Paz. Uh...minus the grip of death. And it's not a rational thing. You don't size up the situation and make some strategic calculation. The only line of reasoning that happens is: I care about my girlfriend's wellbeing -> I don't fully trust that you do -> ultimatum.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 18, 2019 10:31:56 GMT
"Kat tries hard" - this sounds like Kat has been working long hours to design some sort of Annie-test or Annie-fusion-device or something. Some typically Kat technical/scientific cure for the predicament.
Also, threat having been delivered, her love protected, Paz is pleased and quickly drops "fierce Paz face" and all is well in the world (last panel). Yay!
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Post by Igniz on Jan 18, 2019 10:44:56 GMT
"Kat tries hard" - this sounds like Kat has been working long hours to design some sort of Annie-test or Annie-fusion-device or something. Some typically Kat technical/scientific cure for the predicament. Maybe it has something to do with the Turbo Touch 360... err, I mean, The Arrow. |
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Post by mordekai on Jan 18, 2019 10:52:05 GMT
That was a bad idea. A creature from the forest wouldn't care Paz threats, but they could upset the real Annie and create trouble, which would upset Kat in turn...
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Post by philman on Jan 18, 2019 11:42:15 GMT
Hmm, seems to me that this is a warning about how badly Kat is doing at the moment. I imagine being the robot-genius that she is, the war that has come to the court has been stressful for her, and Paz has seen how badly it is affecting her; possibly even affecting their relationship. Now this clone of her best friend appears it must be worrying Kat and Paz even more, not knowing what to believe anymore.
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Post by speedwell on Jan 18, 2019 11:50:01 GMT
That was a bad idea. A creature from the forest wouldn't care Paz threats, but they could upset the real Annie and create trouble, which would upset Kat in turn... Sometimes it can give someone not fully on the up-and-up pause to see evidence that they aren't completely getting away with it and at least one person is watching. Sure if Paz mistrusts her, who else might mistrust her AND be able to back it up? A wise being would up their game. We've already seen Court Annie act wooden and coolly violent and haughty and selfish. We have seen pre-incident Annie drop the woodenness, we've never seen her use her powers violently without violent emotion, she's more reserved than haughty, and even if she is selfish, it's not a greedy kind of selfishness like Court Annie seems to exhibit. Paz may be on edge expecting Forest Annie to be or become like that toward Kat. I think nobody would be so accepting of Forest Annie if it weren't for the fact that Court Annie is just not like herself. Something occurs to me that probably belongs in wildspec, but would explain why Paz might be so wary. Who have we seen that is emotionally crude, casually violent, and full of the kind of anger that leads to acting a bit narcissistic, and is yet still Annie? I am not saying Court Annie absolutely is this, but we seem to be assuming without evidence that Annie reintegrated with her "discarded hair" fire elemental side. If she had left it behind to tackle Loup, it's been neglected for months and needing to survive. Loup actually or symbolically manipulated her fire crown in page 2039, and referred to "this side of you" that "home doesn't tolerate". What if the entity Loup is depending on to retrieve the pond water and bone is not actually Forest Annie, who he knows is unlikely to obey him, but Court Annie, who he perhaps manipulates? Notice in the latest treatise, Annie has Coyote's binding on her wrist. When we see the two Annies meet, one has nothing on her wrists, but one is wearing a top that half covers her hands. It's suggestive. |
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Post by csj on Jan 18, 2019 12:06:16 GMT
I wish she was threatening her in Spanish
nobody else would know
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Post by Eve Swann on Jan 18, 2019 12:31:53 GMT
And then Paz walked back to the forest and made herself a beautiful coyote-wolf fur coat.
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Post by netherdan on Jan 18, 2019 12:33:11 GMT
Psycho-Paz
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 18, 2019 14:18:45 GMT
I see what you did there.
Along the same lines: the Paz of righteousness.
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Post by darlos9d on Jan 18, 2019 14:29:27 GMT
Y'know Paz even with the six month difference at play, pretty sure Annie's been caring about Kat for longer than you.
And I'll not only echo other people in saying that this is an empty threat if this isn't the real Annie, but I'll also say it's a pretty weak appeal to conscience in that same situation. If that's what Paz was going for, and it just kinda came out wrong.
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 18, 2019 14:42:50 GMT
Nope. Paz has not been replaced with a duplicate, by the robots. Not at all.
She is probably just worried about Kat, though. She would tell Frannie, that Kat was besides herself over all this, but considering the situation...
In an alternate timeline, I like to think this occurred:
Paz: "Ojos lindas, Annie."
Frannie: "Um... thanks?"
Paz: "No, wait. I did that wrong."
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 18, 2019 14:49:40 GMT
Paz is just being protective of her girl, I doubt she thought very hard about how she'd realistically handle Annie as a threat. What I've begun to wonder is, does Paz trust Annie? Doppleganger shenanigans aside, I mean. Without the benefit of a reader's omniscient perspective, one could be forgiven for viewing Annie as a bad friend. Kat tends to do most of the emotional lifting in their friendship (at least as far as Paz has experienced), while Annie...well, trouble tends to follow her. And yes, Kat does attract trouble too, but Kat's trouble is related to her goal to make better/living robots, which Paz is fully onboard with. Annie's problems often happen for less scrutable reasons, which can make it hard to sympathize. I know I've been in a relationship with someone who had a friend I didn't trust. You try to be polite and give them the benefit of the doubt, but alone in a room together? Especially in a situation where yet-again it's a problem involving that friend? I'd be like Paz. Uh...minus the grip of death. And it's not a rational thing. You don't size up the situation and make some strategic calculation. The only line of reasoning that happens is: I care about my girlfriend's wellbeing -> I don't fully trust that you do -> ultimatum.
This was pretty much my take away from this page too. I don't think she's necessarily doubting that this is the real Annie, she's trying to ease some of the burden that Kat has been carrying, as she puts in a lot of her personal and professional energy into Annie.
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