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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 11, 2019 8:04:55 GMT
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Post by arf on Jan 11, 2019 8:07:14 GMT
Where's Kat?
... Oh, of course. She's with HER
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Post by madjack on Jan 11, 2019 8:12:33 GMT
Staging even a false kidnapping involves some kind of plan. How did they put one together overnight and why?
Edit: and if Kat's in on it without being there that raises more questions.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 11, 2019 8:18:16 GMT
Staging even a false kidnapping involves some kind of plan. How did they put one together overnight and why? I'm hoping that " phony kidnapping" was just an idea that was floated but didn't really gain traction and eventually lost out to "let's just ask Renard to tell her we're here." But if Mort was still around to make Evil Dinodemons then it might have been more plausible. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Jan 11, 2019 8:18:52 GMT
We don't know anything about how Court!Annie's been acting in the months since Loup's summons. I'm curious to see if her friends perceived her as the same, the same with some differences, or dramatically different in some way(s).
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Post by fjodorii on Jan 11, 2019 8:21:29 GMT
Edit: and if Kat's in on it without being there that raises more questions. And if Paz is there without Kat knowing, that raises even more questions. |
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Post by madjack on Jan 11, 2019 8:22:27 GMT
I'm hoping that "phony kidnapping" was just an idea that was floated but didn't really gain traction and eventually lost out to "let's just ask Renard to tell her we're here." But if Mort was still around to make Evil Dinodemons then it might have been more plausible. Still doesn't explain the 'why', but.. We don't know anything about how Court!Annie's been acting in the months since Loup's summons. I'm curious to see if her friends perceived her as the same, the same with some differences, or dramatically different in some way(s). This is probably it. Edit: And if Paz is there without Kat knowing, that raises even more questions. I think Kat probably is in on it though, she's usually the mastermind behind group outings. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 11, 2019 8:26:41 GMT
I'm hoping that "phony kidnapping" was just an idea that was floated but didn't really gain traction and eventually lost out to "let's just ask Renard to tell her we're here." But if Mort was still around to make Evil Dinodemons then it might have been more plausible. Still doesn't explain the 'why', but.. We don't know anything about how Court!Annie's been acting in the months since Loup's summons. I'm curious to see if her friends perceived her as the same, the same with some differences, or dramatically different in some way(s). This is probably it. Could be that Courtnie has been acting odd/bad but I think that "there's now TWO Antimonies!" is enough of a reason on its own for some kids who know Antimony to get together and try to figure out how to talk to the new one. The fact that they're doing this discreetly at night means that either Courtnie didn't want to go along with it (or they knew she'd say no so they didn't bother to ask her) or someone else would've forbidden it (like Jan's dad) if they knew. |
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Post by madjack on Jan 11, 2019 8:29:13 GMT
Actually now I think about it, I can see Janet and Winsbury wanting to know if their secret is still safe, that would be plenty of motivation on its own.
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Post by Corvo on Jan 11, 2019 8:44:59 GMT
Guys: Annie, we're so glad you're here! Since you went to the Forest, things became unbearable! We've got to do something about that unsufferable brat!
Annie: Oh, is the other "me" that bad?
Guys: No, no! She's fine. We are talking about Kat.
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Paz: It's all true! Please, pay no mind to the drone hovering over us.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 11, 2019 9:07:18 GMT
Actually, the guys all look pretty serious here. This doesn't look to be a "for fun" outing.... the gang has some serious business on their minds....
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Post by gillyc on Jan 11, 2019 9:11:16 GMT
I'm wondering if, at first the they accepted C!Annie, then as she got closer to her father they started to think that was a bit strange (especially as he would still act all formal when other people were around), so now F!Annie has turned up they are thinking that C!Annie must be 'the fake one'?
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 11, 2019 9:29:26 GMT
Might also be that this ruse is even more of a ruse to bring both Annies before a COURT of their peers, and hold them there under threat of GUNS, so this is more of a BLITZKRIEG to get her there as soon as possible, to this COURT of GUNNERS of the KRIEG... Man, I should work on that name, this is just too hard.
Also, I'm not entirely convinced this is F!Annie. The language used might just as well be about C!Annie, if she's shown to have retained her temper in the last few months. Don't forget, she developed ZZZAAAPPP powers, which might be quite painful for potential kidnappers...
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Post by speedwell on Jan 11, 2019 10:40:37 GMT
First thing that occurred to me... I wouldn't be surprised if everyone sensed something strange about Annie, and Kat just rationalised it away out of loyalty. People do make those mistakes a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if it led to a little friction between Kat and Paz, if so. (I hope not and I'd rather think Kat is keeping Court Annie under close surveillance.)
Second thing... If Annie wasn't already the Forest medium, I think Paz would be a cinch for it. She is already an animal speaker, after all. I'm not saying anything specific about it but it means she has, or has access to, animal sensing, and that could mean something in this context.
Third thing... Zimmy could literally be anywhere, I know. But where do we think she is? My synapses are straining like a radio tuned between channels on this. I can't come up with anything both plausible and story-forwarding. The Court doesn't normally keep her under confinement.
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Post by madjack on Jan 11, 2019 10:59:50 GMT
Second thing... If Annie wasn't already the Forest medium, I think Paz would be a cinch for it. She is already an animal speaker, after all. I'm not saying anything specific about it but it means she has, or has access to, animal sensing, and that could mean something in this context. I don't know. The medium position is about dealing with the power structure of the Forest, Paz can talk to and empathise with animals just fine but the ones on the top of the Gillite food chain are full on gods and assorted etheric entities. Sure, she got along with Lindsay like a house on fire, but being friends with the people you're dealing with professionally isn't a necessity. Edit: It has been far too long without Zimmy though. Edit again: Another thought: The Forest can also be a very dangerous place, and unlike miss firestorm Carver, Paz can't protect herself directly if any animals decide they don't want to be her friend. Like all of Fun City. Andrew has Parley to cover him, but that probably isn't an option for the Forest medium since as Coyote said, you have to be able to speak their language if you want to have their respect (and do your job right). |
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Post by philman on Jan 11, 2019 12:02:16 GMT
Court-Annie left the apartment to go to Kat's house at the end of the last chapter, along with Renard. Should we ssume she stayed the night as well? If we are seeing Renard now then it implies that either Court-Annie or Kat are involved in this too.
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Post by todd on Jan 11, 2019 12:51:24 GMT
What struck me reading this page was that you'd barely know there was a war on - the other kids want to meet with Annie, considered a "fake kidnapping", etc. The comments here suggested that it might indeed be more serious and involving the circumstances of her return from the Forest, though, which makes sense (and is something I certainly should have considered).
On Zimmy: I suspect it's a result of: a) a large cast (so large it's difficult for one man to keep track of them all) and b) Tom might not have thought of anything for her to do in this situation (especially since Zimmy's story generally revolves more around her torment and her relationship with Gamma than links to the "more-rooted-in-the-Court" cast - she and Gamma feel designed for that projected spin-off).
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Post by heranje on Jan 11, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
Theories:
a) This isn't actually F!Annie, but C!Annie before she cut her hair, and we're about to get a window into what went on at the Court while F!Annie was gone.
b) The kids have decided to conduct their own test of whether F!Annie is real, either with or without Kat and C!Annie's involvement (the fake kidnapping idea counts against this, though, because it seems a bit light-hearted for a realness test)
c) The kids have been noticing something off about C!Annie and the next page will involve them going "Annie! You're finally back! Now how do we deal with HER?"
d) C!Annie has enlisted the other kids in a plan to trick F!Annie into getting in trouble, in order to deal with HER.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 11, 2019 13:52:52 GMT
What struck me reading this page was that you'd barely know there was a war on - the other kids want to meet with Annie, considered a "fake kidnapping", etc. The Court was caught rather flatfooted by the attack from "Loup" so there's a lot of things that were apparently overlooked. If they had more time I'm sure there would probably be some organized way they'd use the kids instead of letting them hang around unguarded and idle, particularly if there's a big labor shortage. First thing that occurred to me... I wouldn't be surprised if everyone sensed something strange about Annie, and Kat just rationalized it away out of loyalty. People do make those mistakes a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if it led to a little friction between Kat and Paz, if so. (I hope not and I'd rather think Kat is keeping Court Annie under close surveillance.) And even if they're both real, them asking about something like that will be hilarious. Consider: WINSBURY: "I knew there was something off about her. She's been acting like a complete b*ch, throwing her fire magic around and telling everyone what to do just because creatures are attacking." FANNIE: (pause) "It appears that we're both real." WINSBURY: (pause) "Clearly, you're a fake sent here to cause trouble and sabotage the Court." |
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Post by speedwell on Jan 11, 2019 14:00:33 GMT
Theories: a) This isn't actually F!Annie, but C!Annie before she cut her hair, and we're about to get a window into what went on at the Court while F!Annie was gone. Then where's Kat? And why would the other kids need to fake-kidnap her? |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 11, 2019 14:20:47 GMT
d) C!Annie has enlisted the other kids in a plan to trick F!Annie into getting in trouble, in order to deal with HER. Geez, I hope Court!Annie isn't THAT petty, but I think Court!Annie is the mastermind behind this meeting, so she can observe Forest!Annie interacting with her friends and is hoping to catch her doing/saying something that proves she is the fake. |
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Post by jda on Jan 11, 2019 14:34:10 GMT
Theories: a) This isn't actually F!Annie, but C!Annie before she cut her hair, and we're about to get a window into what went on at the Court while F!Annie was gone. Then where's Kat? And why would the other kids need to fake-kidnap her? Kat is waiting for them at her lair, er, catacombs, I mean, her lab |
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Post by zaferion on Jan 11, 2019 14:34:54 GMT
In which Courtney failed to charm Annie's other friends and they realize something's different and wrong and so don't like her
edit: Also, since when are Annie's friends afraid of her setting them on fire? What has Courtney been doing these last six months?
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 11, 2019 15:05:13 GMT
Since it's a "kidnapping", I'm guessing they're taking her to a hang-out spot (bowling alley, maybe). Kat and Courtnie may already there, and awkwardness will ensue. Teenage social fumbling is normally bad enough, but to have a duplicate competing with you, with all your flaws on display... yikes. Awkward doesn't cover it. Maybe the chapter's title is a happy finger-guns "HER". Best friend twins forever... Right?...
It just accorded to me, that the Court must have Fannie under surveillance. Maybe both Annies.
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Post by donna on Jan 11, 2019 16:34:59 GMT
Since it's a "kidnapping", I'm guessing they're taking her to a hang-out spot (bowling alley, maybe). Kat and Courtnie may already there, and awkwardness will ensue. Teenage social fumbling is normally bad enough, but to have a duplicate competing with you, with all your flaws on display... yikes. Awkward doesn't cover it. Maybe the chapter's title is a happy finger-guns "HER". Best friend twins forever... Right?... It just accorded to me, that the Court must have Fannie under surveillance. Maybe both Annies. So this is plausible... what if Courtney sent Renard to fetch Fanny? There may yet be more Annie to Annie moments and she felt better having friends there to mediate. She has spent the day with her. She probably has mixed feelings, not universally negative. And furthermore supposing Fanny is not under surveillance... can Courtney send her on missions? |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 11, 2019 16:36:29 GMT
Okay...I totally don't get what's it with the fake kidnapping? What? How? Why?
Third thing... Zimmy could literally be anywhere, I know. But where do we think she is? My synapses are straining like a radio tuned between channels on this. I can't come up with anything both plausible and story-forwarding. The Court doesn't normally keep her under confinement. Zimmy is not part of this circle of friends. Also, she goes where she damn well pleases. In which Courtney failed to charm Annie's other friends and they realize something's different and wrong and so don't like her edit: Also, since when are Annie's friends afraid of her setting them on fire? What has Courtney been doing these last six months? Annie has set stuff on fire while her friends were watching before. They probably meant "accidentally set on fire when Annie awakened and believed herself to be in danger". It just accorded to me, that the Court must have Fannie under surveillance. Maybe both Annies. Hm. Tony does not like to be under surveillance. I wonder whether he tries to procure food without trackers.Actually now I think about it, I can see Janet and Winsbury wanting to know if their secret is still safe, that would be plenty of motivation on its own. They might get the idea to ask Fannie if she knows what their secret is, to test if she is real. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 11, 2019 17:06:01 GMT
Okay...I totally don't get what's it with the fake kidnapping? What? How? Why? In which Courtney failed to charm Annie's other friends and they realize something's different and wrong and so don't like her edit: Also, since when are Annie's friends afraid of her setting them on fire? What has Courtney been doing these last six months? Annie has set stuff on fire while her friends were watching before. They probably meant "accidentally set on fire when Annie awakened and believed herself to be in danger". I assumed the fake kidnapping was supposed to be Doing A Dumb Thing To Be Funny but they had a moment of smart RE: your second point |
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Post by hnau on Jan 11, 2019 17:49:13 GMT
While Cannie is distracted at Kat's house, everybody else is recruited to test Fannie. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 11, 2019 18:01:46 GMT
Okay...I totally don't get what's it with the fake kidnapping? What? How? Why? I'm guessing that their perspective on Fannie right now is that suddenly came in from the Forest, claims to be the real Annie, and the Court authorities are really suspicious of her. The "false kidnapping" plan probably arose because someone wanted to "rescue" her, but also hide their identities and/or make it look like they're not sympathetic towards her. It's an absurdly stupid plan, but it would create Wacky Teenage Hijinks and thus they were obligated to consider it.
Also, I really love how skeptical Annie is of the idea that her friends would pass up on Wacky Hijinks merely out of concern for her own feelings. Apparently she understands their priorities very well.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 11, 2019 19:10:34 GMT
I figure the "fake kidnapping" thing would have been about plausible deniability to protect Fannie. They want to meet with her but are unsure what restrictions she's under; she could have put the blame on them if she gets in trouble. Not only could Fannie burn them with her fire if they actually attempt it but it's sort of thin anyway. Zeta was not under surveillance so the Court probably had little to no idea where she was when the assault began. Assuming she's still in hiding, she and Gamma still need to eat so they're probably near a food preparation or storage area, which would probably be near one of the main transport lines to where the majority was evacuated (in other words, she's probably in a big empty building near the maglev or rail on the edge of the zone that the Antimonies are now living in). Perhaps a more interesting line of speculation is what the other powerful ones are doing with regard to the "death" of Coyote. Presumably they don't care enough about what "Loup" has done to intervene so far but they probably would if, for example, he leaves the Wood to attack them in places besides the Court. |
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