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Post by saardvark on Dec 26, 2018 18:38:33 GMT
Anyone surprised by anything in today's update? Yes! Tony's house is FURNISHED! Good catch! Not just the lone comfy chair for staring out the window, and desk chair for staring fruitlessly at the inanimate Reynard plush toy. But I wonder how much of the furnishing was at the instigation of Court!Annie... "Come on father... we need more than a wok, a desk and two chairs(!)"
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 26, 2018 19:06:32 GMT
Anyone surprised by anything in today's update? That side eye, though. So am I the only one thinking that this would actually be a really cool plot concept to carry the rest of GC forward? What's the expectation of the story? Annie and Annie solve the problem and unite into one, thus resolving all emotional conflict... But that's kinda... boring? Wouldn't it be incredible if we just had 2 Annies forever? Imagine the weird dynamics in the relationship as they go about solving the problem Annie's way or Annie's way, and working out how they can exert their influence when they're twice as vocal about their objectives (when working together). Stories like these always revert to the mean, as in they put everything back to normal, save for "the changes the characters went through," but it has that sitcom vibe to it. Coyote was (and there for Loup is) hella powerful. He could do it, if he wanted to. It would open up interesting stories; sibling rivalry, friend sharing, the discomfort of your inadequacies staring back at you. Or it could be a mix of Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys. Then again, court!Annie's "flame" could start to fade, making both Annie's realize that they have to recombine, in order to survive. That's if Loup is capable of plans that developed.
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Post by gergle on Dec 26, 2018 19:32:21 GMT
Incredibly self centered to the end, the Annies immediately begin torturing Rey in order to prove a point.
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Post by maxptc on Dec 26, 2018 19:33:18 GMT
Reynardine's remark about Loup's lack of forethought strikes me as a good grasp of Loup's character - and I think indeed that was what was involved here. I still suspect that he made the second Annie or split Annie in two or whatever he did simply because he wanted the Court to leave him alone and stop sending search parties into the woods. I doubt that he thought far enough in advance to what would happen after that (and certainly wouldn't care). (It does provide a potential hitch in his demand of the bone and water, by making the person delivering that message is automatically suspect, but he probably figured he could break into the Court now that his forces can get in underground, bypassing the force field, and simply take the objects.) I think he figured they would realize both are real pretty quick and not be suspicious of either after that.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Dec 26, 2018 20:19:59 GMT
Two things are clear, both are the real Antimony, one being displaced by 6 months. They're going to have to decide who gets called Annie, and who gets called antimony. But congratulations she has a sister now, and they are practically Twins. and they'll have to learn to work together, because they now have a major advantage against Loup.
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 26, 2018 20:27:58 GMT
what if they get attached to both Annies and end up having to zap one away for some reason?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 26, 2018 21:29:38 GMT
Anyone surprised by anything in today's update? Yes! Tony's house is FURNISHED! Considering it's been six months that didn't surprise me too much. Courtney's had some time to work on him. The pictures on the mantle in panel #2 did get me to raise an eyebrow, though. The most likely subjects are Antimony and her friends but there's a decent chance it/they might be the Carver family when Antimony was still small, Anthony's 'rents, or just flat-out a picture of Surma. Two things are clear, both are the real Antimony, one being displaced by 6 months. They're going to have to decide who gets called Annie, and who gets called antimony. But congratulations she has a sister now, and they are practically Twins. and they'll have to learn to work together, because they now have a major advantage against Loup. My suspicion is the older one is also slightly bigger and will never let the younger one forget both those things. They're going to fixate on all the tiny differences, dress in sharp contrast to the other, and keep their hair styled differently.
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Post by speedwell on Dec 26, 2018 23:00:47 GMT
Naah. Zimmy will know.
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Post by penguinguy on Dec 26, 2018 23:50:51 GMT
Renard brings up an interesting point when he says that the two Annies might be a ploy to ensure that Annie returns to the Forest. I am interested in whether this is a real motivation of Loup, because I would think that the threat of invasion of the Court would be enough motivation to come back to the Forest. Even if Annie doesn't fulfill the goose bone request, she would at least tell Loup not the destroy everything.
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Post by todd on Dec 27, 2018 0:17:30 GMT
Unless the situation directly affects her or Gamma, she wouldn't care.
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Post by todd on Dec 27, 2018 0:19:12 GMT
Renard brings up an interesting point when he says that the two Annies might be a ploy to ensure that Annie returns to the Forest. I am interested in whether this is a real motivation of Loup, because I would think that the threat of invasion of the Court would be enough motivation to come back to the Forest. Even if Annie doesn't fulfill the goose bone request, she would at least tell Loup not the destroy everything. Based on Loup's remark about the effect the Court's having on the Forest, "not destroying everything" is not an option for him. From his perspective, he has to destroy the Court to put an end to its experiments and goals.
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Post by maxptc on Dec 27, 2018 0:53:33 GMT
Unless the situation directly affects her or Gamma, she wouldn't care. I'm kinda expecting to see Zimmy and Gamma soon for that reason. I mean I figure since the world isn't ruined by insanity that rain passes the barrier or another short term solution has been found, but I still think this has to be impacting Zimmy and Gamma negatively.
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Post by arkadi on Dec 27, 2018 7:46:08 GMT
My suspicion is the older one is also slightly bigger and will never let the younger one forget both those things. They're going to fixate on all the tiny differences, dress in sharp contrast to the other, and keep their hair styled differently. Of course, it's also entirely possible that the two Antimonies will start getting along just to spite Loup.
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 27, 2018 10:03:52 GMT
Unless the situation directly affects her or Gamma, she wouldn't care. Sure?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 10:21:04 GMT
The current page has indeed surprised me. Seeing as Trees are the Enemy right now, or at least categorically suspicious of collaboration, we must either assume flagrant disregard of the Hague Convention in the Carver household, or wonder where else they got those logs from. Here is my wild speculation: From inverting the exponential function.
No refunds. Alternate explanation: Eglamore always maintains a stash to keep his posture sterling and Renard occasionally takes one home.
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Post by noone3 on Dec 27, 2018 11:23:44 GMT
If Coyote can split, or duplicate the fire spirit in order for both to be the real one. . . Could Coyote have saved Surma? Only in jest. Anyway, yay! Twinsies!
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Post by netherdan on Dec 27, 2018 17:34:14 GMT
Unless the situation directly affects her or Gamma, she wouldn't care. I'm kinda expecting to see Zimmy and Gamma soon for that reason. I mean I figure since the world isn't ruined by insanity that rain passes the barrier or another short term solution has been found, but I still think this has to be impacting Zimmy and Gamma negatively. Maybe she left the Court altogether. I mean, the humming of that shield must be driving her crazy if she didn't... Or she's taking an indefinite vacation on ether lake having fun with Gamma (just a warning to fan-artists that that would be an interesting "side comic")
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Post by magiekarp on Dec 27, 2018 18:43:59 GMT
Well, isn't the underlying question of this is: What makes Annie *Annie*? There is still a possibility that FAnnie or CAnnie is a doppelganger or shapeshifter with part of an essential part of the original Annie which allows them to successfully manipulate Rey. Annie is part fire spirit, but a VERY small part thus her character cannot be completely defined as part fire elemental.
Or it could just be that they are both Annie just from 2 parallel universes. But that would lead to complications with Coyote, Ysengrin and Loup.
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 27, 2018 19:29:55 GMT
... where else they got those logs from. Here is my wild speculation: From inverting the exponential function.
No refunds. Oy vey.
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Post by gpvos on Dec 27, 2018 21:26:46 GMT
Well, this does lend new meaning to the phrase: being one's own enemy.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 28, 2018 0:49:54 GMT
My suspicion is the older one is also slightly bigger and will never let the younger one forget both those things. They're going to fixate on all the tiny differences, dress in sharp contrast to the other, and keep their hair styled differently. Of course, it's also entirely possible that the two Antimonies will start getting along just to spite Loup. Possibly. They do have a common antagonist in "Loup" though they would probably need Kat and Anthony to do some serious mediating (heh) for the two Antimonies to actually agree on a plan and implement it. Having both Antimonies under the same roof is/was a good move from a standpoint of parental fairness (and it was a way to get Fannie* to the Carver house where Renard was waiting) but otherwise it isn't very smart. Bizarre as it may sound, I think a heavy-handed yet nuanced and bureaucratic approach would have been the best way to handle this situation. Isolating them both for security and testing would have been traumatic, but only mildly so, and they both could receive visits from Anthony and Antimony's friends on a daily basis. After passing tests and interviews, and a debrief for Fannie, they could both be set the task of coming up with questions to test the other. That would give them another motive for talking to each other, first for very limited periods under close supervision but as time passes they could be given more freedom and privileges (like a rec room with a television and board games, a ping-pong table, etc). Time would be a concern because "Loup" is impatient but the tests and interviews would only take a couple of days, then a week with no internet and very limited television and phone usage plus communal visits with family (Anthony) and friends. The questions would keep them focused on things they have in common. There are probably legions of social scientists, psychologists, and other professionals who are currently idle and bored silly because of the evacuation; a "bring Antimonies together" project would be a way to keep them occupied. So, with the correct balance of boredom, positive feedback, respect of personal space, and two weeks (if things go smoothly) they would probably act like sisters. *Remember, Anthony and the rest of the Court have no guarantee that Fannie isn't a fake, only Courtnie's observation that she didn't appear to be one. Additionally, the fire gets transferred from generation to generation through proximity. There's a good chance that the stronger (angrier?) Antimony might leech the fire from the weaker one if they're kept in close quarters. While that would be good evidence of "realness" Anthony would have to witness something (again) that could push him over the edge.
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Post by netherdan on Dec 28, 2018 1:52:29 GMT
words *Remember, Anthony and the rest of the Court have no guarantee that Fannie isn't a fake, only Courtnie's observation that she didn't appear to be one. Additionally, the fire gets transferred from generation to generation through proximity. There's a good chance that the stronger (angrier?) Antimony might leech the fire from the weaker one if they're kept in close quarters. While that would be good evidence of "realness" Anthony would have to witness something (again) that could push him over the edge. So if in the first night living under the same roof Fannie start having dreams about Courtmony's memories that could be a clue of the leeching going on but we won't know which one is being absorbed until one of them gets sick (not saying that that was how it happened to Surma -> Annie, but that it could happen to Annie -> Annie)
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Post by madjack on Dec 28, 2018 2:15:46 GMT
words *Remember, Anthony and the rest of the Court have no guarantee that Fannie isn't a fake, only Courtnie's observation that she didn't appear to be one. Additionally, the fire gets transferred from generation to generation through proximity. There's a good chance that the stronger (angrier?) Antimony might leech the fire from the weaker one if they're kept in close quarters. While that would be good evidence of "realness" Anthony would have to witness something (again) that could push him over the edge. So if in the first night living under the same roof Fannie start having dreams about Courtmony's memories that could be a clue of the leeching going on but we won't know which one is being absorbed until one of them gets sick (not saying that that was how it happened to Surma -> Annie, but that it could happen to Annie -> Annie) And then everyone emotionally blames Forest!Annie for it even though it's not actually her fault.
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 28, 2018 3:33:34 GMT
After passing tests and interviews, and a debrief for Fannie, they could both be set the task of coming up with questions to test the other. That would give them another motive for talking to each other, first for very limited periods under close supervision but as time passes they could be given more freedom and privileges (like a rec room with a television and board games, a ping-pong table, etc). Oh, so it's like when you bring home a second cat: keep them in separate rooms at first, let them get used to each other's smell, introduce them to each other very gradually...
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Post by novia on Dec 28, 2018 3:39:48 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 28, 2018 11:19:31 GMT
Of course, it's also entirely possible that the two Antimonies will start getting along just to spite Loup. Possibly. They do have a common antagonist in "Loup" though they would probably need Kat and Anthony to do some serious mediating (heh) for the two Antimonies to actually agree on a plan and implement it. Having both Antimonies under the same roof is/was a good move from a standpoint of parental fairness (and it was a way to get Fannie* to the Carver house where Renard was waiting) but otherwise it isn't very smart. Bizarre as it may sound, I think a heavy-handed yet nuanced and bureaucratic approach would have been the best way to handle this situation. Isolating them both for security and testing would have been traumatic, but only mildly so, and they both could receive visits from Anthony and Antimony's friends on a daily basis. After passing tests and interviews, and a debrief for Fannie, they could both be set the task of coming up with questions to test the other. That would give them another motive for talking to each other, first for very limited periods under close supervision but as time passes they could be given more freedom and privileges (like a rec room with a television and board games, a ping-pong table, etc). Time would be a concern because "Loup" is impatient but the tests and interviews would only take a couple of days, then a week with no internet and very limited television and phone usage plus communal visits with family (Anthony) and friends. The questions would keep them focused on things they have in common. There are probably legions of social scientists, psychologists, and other professionals who are currently idle and bored silly because of the evacuation; a "bring Antimonies together" project would be a way to keep them occupied. So, with the correct balance of boredom, positive feedback, respect of personal space, and two weeks (if things go smoothly) they would probably act like sisters. That would be a sensible modus operandi, but who would want to read that?
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