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Post by Sky Schemer on Nov 26, 2018 19:20:37 GMT
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Post by mordekai on Nov 26, 2018 19:31:59 GMT
I find it weird how cool are Kat and Tony having another Annie around... I get they are used to weird stuff, but hell, this is big!
I fear Forest!Annie will feel left out and leave the court for good (maybe joining the Psychopomps, I don't think she will feel like joining Loup after this...), and then Loup (or Coyote, if he is back by then...) will either take the flame from Court!Annie and let her die, or he will reveal that she's nothing but a wooden fake...
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Post by zaferion on Nov 26, 2018 19:36:37 GMT
One other thing about this page I forgot to mention. Kat's achieved something useful in providing a new hand for Antony - something that seems the exception in Court projects. While the Court is so heavily veiled in mystery and secrecy that it's hard to be certain, so far, I've seen almost no evidence that its projects have achieved anything beneficial. The main fruit of their work, from what I can tell, is an oversized barren city that's been under repeated threat from the forest-folk next door (because the forest-folk feel threatened by the Court's experiments - and probably with good reason), and a lot of crooked schemes to protect themselves from people they wouldn't have had to worry about if they hadn't embarked on this big project in the first place. So far, we've seen no sign that the Court's doings have created anything useful or beneficial to the human race to counter all the troubles that have risen from their project. Until now. Kat's come up with something useful and beneficial, in the form of a replacement hand. (Of course, it's the work of a student at the Court, in her own time, rather than an official Court project.) Whether this is enough to counter all the Court's scheming and duplicity, I don't know. The Court has made several Cool AF Things™: Off the top of my head, Diego made sentient, living robots; Doctor Disaster made a fully interactive VR simulation; they allow Forest creatures who want to become human to do just that, and vice versa for humans that want to become Forest creatures; they afforded Zimmy and Gamma somewhere safe to live, rather than leave them scrounging on the streets; and, in my opinion the most important part, they allow people of like minds to find each other--for good or worse.
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Post by intotheether on Nov 26, 2018 19:54:19 GMT
Hello and Welcome blackouthart! Excellent first post and cool avatar! @antimony Carver ~ Is that some kind of face, Carver? @everyone ~ Have we seen that kind of smug cat face on Annie before??? I will be extremely disappointed if that face is not somebody’s avatar by the end of the day today.
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Post by saardvark on Nov 26, 2018 20:26:59 GMT
I believe that is less of a "haha" look and more of a "Father complimented me on holding things and not dropping them!!!!". Poor Annie. Well, another way to look at it, it could be that F!Annie IS realizing how superfluous /needy she could be around Father, like "seriously I do that face? Am I so attached?" This experience may save her several years of shrink I posted this on the wild-spec page; a theory somewhat along your lines of thinking maybe.... What if the point of all this (Loup, court attack, 2 Annies) was a "life-lesson" for Annie cooked up by Coyote? The lesson being that the only way for Annie to really be her best self was to fully accept her fire-elemental side and the anger that goes with it... it is a source of resilience and strength. Coyote in a way would be underlining something Ys had already tried to convey. If I remember correctly, only when Annie gets mad at Loup and tries to flame him, only then does she fully heal the cut to the elemental and all her hair seem to lengthen (2037-38), though her side bangs had been growing previously. At the "flame-on", the fire elemental is no longer cut, and afterwards, the back of Annie's hair starts growing at an accelerated rate (2042 ... as long as her t-shirt arms, 2044... mid-back, 2046... back to about normal). Is Loup a nemesis Coyote has set up to help Annie reintegrate? Then her "double" (however created) court!Annie demonstrates what happens if Annie never fully reconciles with her fire elemental side. Loup(Coyote/Ys) using a split timeline to show Annie two life-paths.... crazy?
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 26, 2018 21:35:25 GMT
The petty one-upsmanship displayed here suddenly reminded me of another stress habit of Annie's: making incredibly weird, cheesy, and convoluted schemes. I predict that, very soon, we are about to see both Annies try to implement their own schemes against each other at the same time, and it will be GLORIOUS.
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Post by todd on Nov 27, 2018 0:17:41 GMT
Turns out they're all fake. Loup sent Annie into a simulacrum of the court so he could see where she looks for the items he wants. That way when he learns all he needs to know, he'll still have her in his clutches and will be able to go into the real court to easily retrieve the items himself. Fake Annie and the time skip are simply there to keep Annie off balance so she doesn't notice the cracks in the simulation. Might not be the best plan for Loup, though. Coyote gave the gifts to Parley and Smith, not to Annie, so they're the ones who'd know where they are. And Annie's probably never given any thought to them until now; she doesn't know that this is a story and that the "Chekhov's Gun" rule would apply to those objects. Consequently, Annie searching for them through the simulation probably wouldn't be too helpful and wouldn't match the bone and water's location in the real Court (not to mention that the short-haired Annie and the time skip would most likely distract her from the mission). (For that matter, the bone and water could well have been moved after the initial attack on the Court thanks to the partial evacuation, so that even if Annie knew where they were kept at the time, her information could be outdated.) Although, based on what we've seen of Loup, he probably would have come up with a plan that seemed clever but, on closer inspection, was filled with holes.
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Post by warrl on Nov 27, 2018 0:33:02 GMT
And I'm reminded that Loup asked for the return of those two gifts but NOT of the Tooth that he gave Annie - and kept secret from Ysengrin... its only significance to date has been cutting one of Robot's bodies in two and slicing Shadow off the floor, neither of which events have made a big impact on the story so far.
Chekhov's Blade?
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Post by riri on Nov 27, 2018 13:47:03 GMT
Hello... Tony giving compliments!? (explains vibe in last panel) Saying that though, that was an actual complement towards Annie! From Tony! What is going on?! Why have we been forced to miss out on this bonding after the torture of watching the abuse of the last 2 years! Annie says: I helped with the surgery to attach it Tony adds: and very well done it was Pretty sure he's complimenting the surgery as a whole, in which, undoubtedly, Kat would have had played a (much) bigger role than Annie ^^ To me, this clearly refers to the surgery and not to Annie holding stuff *sigh* it's TEXTBOOK TONY TO USE PRAISING WORDS LIKE THIS WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THE IMPLICATIONS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *cough* hello this is my first post
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Post by saardvark on Nov 27, 2018 14:46:21 GMT
Hello... Tony giving compliments!? (explains vibe in last panel) Saying that though, that was an actual complement towards Annie! From Tony! What is going on?! Why have we been forced to miss out on this bonding after the torture of watching the abuse of the last 2 years! Annie says: I helped with the surgery to attach it Tony adds: and very well done it was Pretty sure he's complimenting the surgery as a whole, in which, undoubtedly, Kat would have had played a (much) bigger role than Annie ^^ To me, this clearly refers to the surgery and not to Annie holding stuff *sigh* it's TEXTBOOK TONY TO USE PRAISING WORDS LIKE THIS WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THE IMPLICATIONS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *cough* hello this is my first post welcome to riri and blackoutheart! two new folk in one thread!
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Post by netherdan on Nov 27, 2018 17:09:45 GMT
Annie says: I helped with the surgery to attach it Tony adds: and very well done it was Pretty sure he's complimenting the surgery as a whole, in which, undoubtedly, Kat would have had played a (much) bigger role than Annie ^^ To me, this clearly refers to the surgery and not to Annie holding stuff *sigh* it's TEXTBOOK TONY TO USE PRAISING WORDS LIKE THIS WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THE IMPLICATIONS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *cough* hello this is my first post Yep... Same kind of general compliment and same Annie's reaction, as mentioned here: Also, welcome aboard
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Post by Sauzels on Nov 27, 2018 18:50:21 GMT
...before the fake dissolves away... Who said the fake will just disappear? One Annie takes all the fire and since she can't survive properly without it, might have to face herself on her own death bed. Why does forest!Annie, the largest Annie, not simply eat the other one?
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Post by mordekai on Nov 27, 2018 20:00:23 GMT
Who said the fake will just disappear? One Annie takes all the fire and since she can't survive properly without it, might have to face herself on her own death bed. Why does forest!Annie, the largest Annie, not simply eat the other one? Shouldn't Court!Annie be the largest one? She's six months older, and she is still in growing age...
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Post by brilliantgrey on Nov 27, 2018 23:25:28 GMT
Who said the fake will just disappear? One Annie takes all the fire and since she can't survive properly without it, might have to face herself on her own death bed. Why does forest!Annie, the largest Annie, not simply eat the other one? I'm crying dude. Also I'm firmly convinced that both Annies are at least mostly real now. The expressions are so very Annie.
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Post by somebunny on Nov 28, 2018 4:07:20 GMT
So Tony has a hand now. Does that mean Robot has a body now? Does that mean Arthur has a body now? Does that mean him and Juliette have fled the court? So many questions.
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Post by Sauzels on Nov 28, 2018 10:59:49 GMT
Why does forest!Annie, the largest Annie, not simply eat the other one? Shouldn't Court!Annie be the largest one? She's six months older, and she is still in growing age... I considered that after I made the post, but I'm sticking with my gut feeling of more hair = more Annie.
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Post by saardvark on Nov 28, 2018 11:46:31 GMT
Why does forest!Annie, the largest Annie, not simply eat the other one? but court!Annie is taller by a few cm at least... (tho does not have the largest hair, it's true...)
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 28, 2018 13:40:01 GMT
One other thing about this page I forgot to mention. Kat's achieved something useful in providing a new hand for Antony - something that seems the exception in Court projects. While the Court is so heavily veiled in mystery and secrecy that it's hard to be certain, so far, I've seen almost no evidence that its projects have achieved anything beneficial. The main fruit of their work, from what I can tell, is an oversized barren city that's been under repeated threat from the forest-folk next door (because the forest-folk feel threatened by the Court's experiments - and probably with good reason), and a lot of crooked schemes to protect themselves from people they wouldn't have had to worry about if they hadn't embarked on this big project in the first place. So far, we've seen no sign that the Court's doings have created anything useful or beneficial to the human race to counter all the troubles that have risen from their project. Until now. Kat's come up with something useful and beneficial, in the form of a replacement hand. (Of course, it's the work of a student at the Court, in her own time, rather than an official Court project.) Whether this is enough to counter all the Court's scheming and duplicity, I don't know. The Court has made several Cool AF Things™: Off the top of my head, Diego made sentient, living robots; Doctor Disaster made a fully interactive VR simulation; they allow Forest creatures who want to become human to do just that, and vice versa for humans that want to become Forest creatures; they afforded Zimmy and Gamma somewhere safe to live, rather than leave them scrounging on the streets; and, in my opinion the most important part, they allow people of like minds to find each other--for good or worse. But they have not shared any of their cool AF inventions with the rest of the world, so it remains questionable if the Court's work has ever been beneficial to the human race.
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Post by todd on Nov 28, 2018 14:05:47 GMT
But they have not shared any of their cool AF inventions with the rest of the world, so it remains questionable if the Court's work has ever been beneficial to the human race. Yes, which raises the question of why the Court hasn't shared those breakthroughs. Does it want to hoard the benefits of those discoveries, keeping them to itself? Or do those discoveries have some nasty side effects that make them less beneficial after all?
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Post by mordekai on Nov 28, 2018 20:22:03 GMT
But they have not shared any of their cool AF inventions with the rest of the world, so it remains questionable if the Court's work has ever been beneficial to the human race. Yes, which raises the question of why the Court hasn't shared those breakthroughs. Does it want to hoard the benefits of those discoveries, keeping them to itself? Or do those discoveries have some nasty side effects that make them less beneficial after all? Or maybe the Court isn't fully in the regular world... Remember, the first human settlers, the founders of the Court arrived to Gillitie Wood escaping from wars or some similar threat... which implies Gillitie Wood isn't easy to reach. And Gillitie Wood (and hence the Court) seem to be secluded from the rest the world, which would be HARD to do in UK, if they were in regular space... I mean, UK has an average population density of 272 people per square km, has been inhabited by civilized people for many centuries, and has been mapped, measured and satellite-imaged to the inch, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of tourists, hikers, biologist, ecologists...etc., who visit every one of its forested areas every year...
Gillitie Wood, and hence the Court, must be within some kind of pocket dimension, and they probably don't abide by any of the laws of UK of any other country. They probably don't exist officially, and exist as some sort of hidden independent city-state, which makes sorta difficult to share their science and tech... they probably DO share some stuff, using some sort of front company, and use the resources to finance themselves (cheap robot labor probably do most of the work and produce most of the stuff the Court needs, but they would have to buy raw materials and pay real money to its employees, who wouldn't be happy if paid in monopoly money useless out of the Court...), but they probably try to stay inconspicuous enough to avoid unwanted attention from the UK government and other powers, so they don't sell as much tech as they could...
So Tony has a hand now. Does that mean Robot has a body now? Does that mean Arthur has a body now? Does that mean him and Juliette have fled the court? So many questions.
Arthur was under control of the Court, and Kat has said that she is unable to free any robot from the Court's control.
I guess she may try to sent Arthur out, far from the Court, and see if that is enough to free him?
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Post by saardvark on Nov 28, 2018 20:39:27 GMT
So Tony has a hand now. Does that mean Robot has a body now? Does that mean Arthur has a body now? Does that mean him and Juliette have fled the court? So many questions.
Arthur was under control of the Court, and Kat has said that she is unable to free any robot from the Court's control.
I guess she may try to sent Arthur out, far from the Court, and see if that is enough to free him?
I hope Arthur wasn't chosen to be one of the robots to be "green-crabbed"! Juliette would object mightily... Perhaps Tony could argue successfully against the idea.
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Post by somebunny on Nov 28, 2018 22:14:42 GMT
So Tony has a hand now. Does that mean Robot has a body now? Does that mean Arthur has a body now? Does that mean him and Juliette have fled the court? So many questions.
Arthur was under control of the Court, and Kat has said that she is unable to free any robot from the Court's control.
I guess she may try to sent Arthur out, far from the Court, and see if that is enough to free him?
I'm not sure what you're talking about, by "under control of the court" do you mean the protocol forcing the robots to create the barrier? Kat said she could transfer his mind to a new body regardless, and now it seems they're at the point of maybe having created a new body. Arthur doesn't need to be saved from the court's control if he's not in the robot body under the court's control anymore.
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Post by mordekai on Nov 28, 2018 23:46:27 GMT
Arthur was under control of the Court, and Kat has said that she is unable to free any robot from the Court's control.
I guess she may try to sent Arthur out, far from the Court, and see if that is enough to free him?
I'm not sure what you're talking about, by "under control of the court" do you mean the protocol forcing the robots to create the barrier? Kat said she could transfer his mind to a new body regardless, and now it seems they're at the point of maybe having created a new body. Arthur doesn't need to be saved from the court's control if he's not in the robot body under the court's control anymore.
Of course, Kat may be speaking only about these robots Annie saw, and she did manage to release some robots who are elsewhere...
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