|
Post by pyradonis on Dec 27, 2018 21:36:57 GMT
Signed up for a new account to post here and then realized I apparently had one already? Sorry mods for any way I'm being confusing. Anyways, while there's a lot of gaps here, there's two previously established Coyote powers that are very likely involved, perhaps together. First, there's the soul-extracting power Coyote uses to turn forest residents into totems that can later be implanted into court created bodies. In this situation, after Annie enters the forest Loup takes her soul from her body and sends her body back to the court while he talks to her/manufactures a new body. The main issue is that it's pretty clearly laid out in the past that the court usually creates the bodies to put souls into, but a 6 month timegap and a convoluted trickster plan have a lot of gaps that could be filled by methods for creating a new body. It's hard to tell since we don't know how long it takes for the court to create the bodies it puts forest residents into. Are the bodies as old as they look, or are they using something to basically spit out bodies aged up to the classes they'll join? It's also possible Loup is taking inspiration from Kat, and the body of the Annie we're following is some kind of wood forest robot or something. The other possiblity is shapeshifting. We know from Coyote's past stories that his shapeshifting abilities are so powerful he is capable of forgetting that he is assuming another identity. So it's not inconceivable that Courtney (Court!Annie) is actually just Loup in an incredibly convincing disguise. The main reason I prefer this theory less is that it doesn't make sense from a conservation of detail level - while Loup's has many incredible powers, I'm fairly certain Coyote didn't have anything to the level of being able to being in multiple places at the same time. So it makes more sense to me that Loup found a way to make a new body than a way to be in two places at once, if we're thinking about things he could do that he's never done before. Finally, we can pretty much eliminate the possibility of Loup or anyone possessing Annie's old body after extracting her soul from it. We know he's given that power to Renard and can't use it anymore. This means to me that if he is using his soul-extracting power, then he's finally accomplished what Anthony has been trying to do all his life - to separate the fire elemental and the person. I'm just not too sure which half is which, since we just saw Courtney using fire to destroy some shadowmen controlled wood beasts but she also has short hair and is less emotional, attributes associated with her human half. I can go either way on that subject, but the whole duality is so built-in to the plot at this point I can't imagine it not coming up. Why can't Coyote be in multiple places at the same time? In a previous story, Coyote once described himself to be 2 forms at the same time, in the story he told about the Goose bone, he was both the goose husband and the wife, thus being 2 things at the same time. Note that this is the only time he has mentioned being able to do such a thing and has away this "goose bone" away. There is probably a connection between the two, but I'm not smart enough to find that out. Loup is also a separate entity from Coyote and Ysengrin, thus even if he is unable to be in multiple places at once, there is still a possibility that one of the Annies is Coyote. This is, of course, just speculation and not nearly as well thought out as your, I want to maybe give the theory a second thought, I guess? It is quite interesting tho, since that also rules out a lot of different possibilities and theories. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This page also suggests he can be in two places at once. Or at least do something while appearing to be elsewhere.
|
|
|
Post by penguinguy on Dec 29, 2018 4:39:18 GMT
Why can't Coyote be in multiple places at the same time? In a previous story, Coyote once described himself to be 2 forms at the same time, in the story he told about the Goose bone, he was both the goose husband and the wife, thus being 2 things at the same time. Note that this is the only time he has mentioned being able to do such a thing and has away this "goose bone" away. There is probably a connection between the two, but I'm not smart enough to find that out. Loup is also a separate entity from Coyote and Ysengrin, thus even if he is unable to be in multiple places at once, there is still a possibility that one of the Annies is Coyote. This is, of course, just speculation and not nearly as well thought out as your, I want to maybe give the theory a second thought, I guess? It is quite interesting tho, since that also rules out a lot of different possibilities and theories. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This page also suggests he can be in two places at once. Or at least do something while appearing to be elsewhere. The idea that one of the Annie's is Loup is interesting and supported by the previous story of the goose, a story which is explicitly tied to this one. That would make sense if Forest Annie came back and Rey and Tony were suspicious of Court Annie, and then after interrogations/tests Court Annie turns into Loup in an "Aha! I did it!" moment, though Loup would probably have a bad time getting all the way back out to the Forest.
I think the page where Forest Annie saw her fire behind Court Annie supports that both Annie's are real in their own way, as well as the most recent pages where Rey and Tony both seem to think that both Annie's are real.
|
|
|
Post by todd on Dec 29, 2018 12:48:55 GMT
I think it more likely, from a narrative point of view, that both Annies are real and neither one is an impostor working for Loup. The impression I've had so far (assisted by the general atmosphere of the webcomic) is that the focus of this problem is the human problem of two Annies, both real, looking upon each other as rivals and having difficulty getting along as a result. Having one of them turn out to be Loup (or one of his agents) would provide too convenient a solution for the problem.
(I've mentioned this before, but I've wondered recently whether we'll see the Loup problem quickly resolved after this, with Loup somehow disposed of, peace - at least in the sense of an absence of physical conflict - between the Court and the Forest restored, and everything back to normal - except that both Annies are still there, with a tone of "Loup has fulfilled his role in the story by producing the 'two Annies situation' and we no longer need him - besides, we'll have more room to focus on the difficult relationship between the two Annies if we don't have the Forest looming threateningly over the Court".)
|
|
|
Post by jda on Dec 29, 2018 20:32:46 GMT
So, after 3 or 4 more shenanigans/territorial conflicts between them Annies, it would all be resolved as Loup's experiment on How to solve once and for all the Forest - Court conflict, having a medium that literally has both minds, having waged war against herself
|
|
|
Post by Runningflame on Dec 29, 2018 22:20:21 GMT
So, after 3 or 4 more shenanigans/territorial conflicts between them Annies, it would all be resolved as Loup's experiment on How to solve once and for all the Forest - Court conflict, having a medium that literally has both minds, having waged war against herself Hmm! It would be interesting, when (if) both Annies find out what the Court is really up to with the Omega Device, to see if they have different opinions on it: Forest!Annie saying, "This is an abomination," and Court!Annie saying, "It's necessary/justified." (On the other hand, if they do then come to an agreement, I can't see it affecting the Court's position much in any case--or Loup's position, for that matter.)
|
|
|
Post by tc on Jan 6, 2019 14:20:03 GMT
I'm going to go with Loup "splitting Annie's fire" - although I'd say this is not so much "magic" as it is exploiting Coyote's (and thus Loup's) mastery over the ether. In narrative terms, this also contains the possibility of halving Annie's life expectancy, which could potentially make for a very intense climax to the story...
|
|
|
Post by keef on Jan 6, 2019 18:35:52 GMT
I'm going to go with Loup "splitting Annie's fire" - although I'd say this is not so much "magic" as it is exploiting Coyote's (and thus Loup's) mastery over the ether. In narrative terms, this also contains the possibility of halving Annie's life expectancy, which could potentially make for a very intense climax to the story... Annie's life expectancy is not too impressive anyway, as she will (like her ancestors since "a long time ago") have a child, pass on her fire and die. Or maybe that has changed now.
(In the material world splitting a fire is such a simple thing... even children can do that. And it has no effect on the first fire in any way.)
|
|
|
Post by chrisjenl on Jan 23, 2019 10:56:31 GMT
I don't think Youp is not so powerful if most think and can't make a exelent "perfect" copy of people. He can't! He try withe shadowan. And say it at www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1470 No but Annie had already split her self in two one her body and one her firespiret. C.Annie is the Firspiret.
|
|
|
Post by pyradonis on Jan 23, 2019 18:16:13 GMT
I don't think Youp is not so powerful if most think and can't make a exelent "perfect" copy of people. He can't! He try withe shadowan. And say it at www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1470 No but Annie had already split her self in two one her body and one her firespiret. C.Annie is the Firspiret. That might have been different, Coyote never said he had tried to create perfect humans. His creations had glass eyes because he made a mistake during the creation. Also, it might be easier for him to copy an existing being instead of creating them newly from scratch. Just like you might be able to copy a drawing but not to draw one just out of your mind.
|
|
|
Post by fia on May 20, 2019 1:23:20 GMT
Reviving this thread as the matter has been addressed in the comic. Could the explanation be funky physics ? ? I am not sure if the quantum explanation is more like the timeline-splitting or just like magic duplication, frankly. Or if it's the 'none of the above' option. Maybe we'll know more tomorrow.
|
|
|
Post by jda on Jun 14, 2019 7:11:23 GMT
Reviving this thread as the matter has been addressed in the comic. Addressed and answered. Thank you all for participating, please retreive the halfbaked cookies on your way out, with the blue PowerPoint ghost. See ya on the next poll.
|
|
|
Post by fia on Jun 14, 2019 19:00:30 GMT
Being one of the BIG proponents of the alternate timeline theory, I will give myself a BIG cookie.
|
|
|
Post by The Anarch on Jun 15, 2019 3:26:40 GMT
Blast! Somehow I knew my "Annie's magically duplicated bio-robotic clone that was accidentally mirrored from the simulation of an imposter Annie in a fake alternate timeline because Tom Said So" theory was just too good to be true.
|
|
|
Post by jda on Jun 17, 2019 10:12:01 GMT
Mmm, unclosing the thread, as shenanigans show that there is no Annie?
|
|
|
Post by coastal on Jun 17, 2019 10:55:50 GMT
I like the fact that the "Something else even wackier" option turned out to be partially correct. : )
|
|
|
Post by Druplesnubb on Jun 17, 2019 11:21:06 GMT
I think there's three Annies and one of them is in an alternate timeline.
|
|