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Post by Saliant on Nov 21, 2018 8:11:51 GMT
Huh, one would have thought they'd have noticed...Annie (Other Annie?), Kat and Tony don't seem to be all that shocked or suspicious of our Annie, at least. Given the weirdness they've been involved before, I guess it makes sense, but still, kind of interesting that they seem to be just rolling with the situation as much as Annie is. Personally, it feels to me like our Annie's been hucked into an alternate timeline somehow, but who knows what kind of tricks Loup has up his sleeve...
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Nov 21, 2018 8:29:30 GMT
Man, they're just all gonna go along with this I guess. I suppose, given an absence of nefariousness or imminent danger, and lacking a method for proving who's human, that's the only decent option. But it's weird.
I wonder what'll happen when everyone's at ease enough that the two Annies are left alone together. Will they both keep up the ruse, honestly unsure who is the real Annie....or will the fake Annie drop the act and press the real one about getting what Loup wants?
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Post by Sky Schemer on Nov 21, 2018 8:53:33 GMT
Clearly, fake Annie has been kept out of the Loup.
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Post by kaivetieno on Nov 21, 2018 9:48:07 GMT
Tony to Our!Annie: I can show you the world...
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Post by saardvark on Nov 21, 2018 10:01:24 GMT
Man, they're just all gonna go along with this I guess. I suppose, given an absence of nefariousness or imminent danger, and lacking a method for proving who's human, that's the only decent option. But it's weird. I wonder what'll happen when everyone's at ease enough that the two Annies are left alone together. Will they both keep up the ruse, honestly unsure who is the real Annie....or will the fake Annie drop the act and press the real one about getting what Loup wants? Yeah, Im a bit surprised that they aren't applying one of the "Renard tests" (who can control him, what does he see in the ether). Maybe there is enough new pressing issues (loss of Annan barrier, creature invasions) that given the seeming lack of an immediate threat from Forest!Annie, they assume (for now) that both are real and allied with the Court until proven otherwise (a lower priority worry). If six months have passed, it would seem that Court!Annie would have had some interaction with Renard, but maybe (since all are friends now) there has been no event that would require Court!Annie assert her control over him. |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 21, 2018 10:30:42 GMT
Well, they do not leave their safe bubble. I assume all observation devices near the ravine have been destroyed. |
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Post by philman on Nov 21, 2018 11:01:17 GMT
Ooh, so now we are going to see what else has happened to the court. So far we know that Kat has grown her hair (and started wearing dresses), and Court_Annie has kept hers short, and the Court still hasn't changed their interior design choices. That's about it.
Ideas on what the other characters and court will have been getting up to int he meantime?
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Post by jda on Nov 21, 2018 15:45:27 GMT
Kat is giving away the standing now: "Since you've been gone", meaning that she was first IN the Court, implying SHE is the real one.
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Post by madjack on Nov 21, 2018 15:59:16 GMT
Kat is giving away the standing now: "Since you've been gone", meaning that she was first IN the Court, implying SHE is the real one. I don't know... It looks like they've been talking for a while so Kat might have just acclimatised to the notion 'this may or may not be Annie who's missed out on the last 6 months so we might as well see where this is all leading.' Something still feels off though. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Nov 21, 2018 16:34:47 GMT
Kat is giving away the standing now: "Since you've been gone", meaning that she was first IN the Court, implying SHE is the real one. Dammit, now that song is stuck in my head. Thanks.... |
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Post by zaferion on Nov 21, 2018 16:42:11 GMT
It's weird how lassez faire everyone is taking this double Annie situation, but honestly I kind of like it. It's a fresh change from the usual clone story
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Post by nero on Nov 21, 2018 17:14:19 GMT
What exactly changed in the Court that Anthony could show off? The real test could be Shadow and Robot.
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Post by netherdan on Nov 21, 2018 17:31:04 GMT
What exactly changed in the Court that Anthony could show off? The real test could be Shadow and Robot. You mean, to test the reality vs simulation theory? If shadow is bidimensional and robot is either dead or a seraph model that would be good evidences of "it's all a simulation", but I'm not eager for that kind of storyline... I still think they're both real in a Legend of Zelda timeline split thing sense (but then again, they're both in the same timeline so Legend of Zelda doesn't apply, I guess) |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 21, 2018 17:43:20 GMT
What exactly changed in the Court that Anthony could show off? The real test could be Shadow and Robot. They go out and see a "WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" poster with Eglamore's mug on it, while the guards are giving Tony the imperial salute. |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 21, 2018 17:44:43 GMT
I still think they're both real in a Legend of Zelda timeline split thing sense (but then again, they're both in the same timeline so Legend of Zelda doesn't apply, I guess) Legend of Zelda timeline would mean "the fans were nagging so much we finally gave in and declared the most popular timeline theory to be the official one". I guess that is not where Tom is going. |
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Post by novia on Nov 21, 2018 20:08:01 GMT
Kat is giving away the standing now: "Since you've been gone", meaning that she was first IN the Court, implying SHE is the real one. Dammit, now that song is stuck in my head. Thanks.... I CAN BREATHE FOR THE FIRST TIIIIME |
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Post by fia on Nov 21, 2018 20:54:35 GMT
I still continue to be amused by other "duplicates" in the comic that have appeared previously. Robots and 90s sitcoms are funny! Speaking of things in the 90s. Dragon Ball, Star Trek, and Doctor Who all have Doppelgänger storylines. We should take a vote on which of these made for Annie2 before the Friday page: A. Alternate timeline / Timeline split, including Time Travel B. Magical duplication (ex., splitting Annie's fire, making a copy out of Ether, etc) C. A magical transporter-type mechanism with accidental duplication powers (ex., walking through the Bubble) D. Dimensional travel or whole alternate universe E. Some sort of paradox F. Simulation of everything, a big fat illusion G. Robot duplicate H. Genetic/bio-clone I. The "real" Annie is a fake or she's experiencing from the wrong perspective, like with Zimmy J. Long lost twin!? [seems unlikely, but hey]
K. Some sort of odd mirroring situation triggered by the bubble and/or Coyote and/or the death of Coyote
L. Gunnerkrigg is a story and the author is a God and just decided there are now two Annies
M. An impostor-being who is passing off as Annie
[edited because I forgot a possibility] |
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Post by Runningflame on Nov 21, 2018 21:27:04 GMT
Ah, so when Tony said, "I think we should listen to what she has to say," what he meant was, "I think you're both real and we should proceed under that assumption"?
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Post by warrl on Nov 21, 2018 23:28:14 GMT
Or, "we don't have enough evidence to decide which of you, if either or both, is real, and maybe this newly-arrived one has new information which will be useful."
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 21, 2018 23:45:21 GMT
Man, they're just all gonna go along with this I guess. I suppose, given an absence of nefariousness or imminent danger, and lacking a method for proving who's human, that's the only decent option. But it's weird. I don't care what manpower shortages the Court faces; if at the very least some guard robots don't start shadowing the Annies when they leave the building the Court is simply not doing its due diligence. I wonder what'll happen when everyone's at ease enough that the two Annies are left alone together. Will they both keep up the ruse, honestly unsure who is the real Annie....or will the fake Annie drop the act and press the real one about getting what Loup wants? It's like trial by ordeal. The Annie that eats the other Annie is probably the fake. I still continue to be amused by other "duplicates" in the comic that have appeared previously. Robots and 90s sitcoms are funny! Speaking of things in the 90s. Dragon Ball, Star Trek, and Doctor Who all have Doppelgänger storylines. We should take a vote on which of these made for Annie2 before the Friday page: A. Alternate timeline / Timeline split, including Time Travel B. Magical duplication (ex., splitting Annie's fire, making a copy out of Ether, etc) C. A magical transporter-type mechanism with accidental duplication powers (ex., walking through the Bubble) D. Dimensional travel or whole alternate universe E. Some sort of paradox F. Simulation of everything, a big fat illusion G. Robot duplicate H. Genetic/bio-clone I. The "real" Annie is a fake or she's experiencing from the wrong perspective, like with Zimmy J. Long lost twin!? [seems unlikely, but hey]
K. Some sort of odd mirroring situation triggered by the bubble and/or Coyote and/or the death of Coyote
L. Gunnerkrigg is a story and the author is a God and just decided there are now two Annies
M. An impostor-being who is passing off as Annie
[edited because I forgot a possibility]If I may offer a suggestion, perhaps "splitting the fire" should be its own entire option (since that could only work on Antimony or a being like her) while "magical duplication" would cover both making a duplicate from the ether and splitting Antimony's story. Also M. could be divided into a shape-shifter, doppelganger or other creature using its natural abilities to mimic Antimony (presumably at the instigation of "Loup") as opposed to "Loup" making another creature into a duplicate of Antimony, and possibly also into a creature making the illusion of Antimony. Unless D. and E. refer to accidental duplication I think maybe they could be folded into B. (making a copy out of the ether). Not sure if Zeta losing control and transforming into Court!Annie would be I. or F. F. would include the "it was all a dream" or fevered concussion-resulting hallucination but it would be the most likely option if both Court!Annie and Forest!Annie are fake, the real Antimony presumably still being held somewhere in the Wood by "Loup" but not necessarily in a conscious state. I think you know already but J. should in theory be completely impossible by the basic premises of the comic. btw G. and H. could be subdivided into "Loup" employing/activating a spare clone body made by Tony or a robot made by Kat respectively and "Loup" or another entity using some other person's tech some other way but it probably isn't worth doing. ...Yep, that should be the whole dartboard. |
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Post by netherdan on Nov 22, 2018 0:42:25 GMT
Legend of Zelda timeline would mean "the fans were nagging so much we finally gave in and declared the most popular timeline theory to be the official one". I guess that is not where Tom is going. I was thinking only about the way some magical shenanigans messing with time made the timelines split (can't remember right now if it was in A Link to The Past, Ocarina of Time or both). But that's not exactly the case here since we have two Annies in the same timeline. I know that Tom wouldn't abide to us "just cause" we were asking for it / predicting it (but we could in fact find out what happened, but I still think Tom will surprise us in some way) |
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Post by novia on Nov 22, 2018 1:21:21 GMT
Man, they're just all gonna go along with this I guess. I suppose, given an absence of nefariousness or imminent danger, and lacking a method for proving who's human, that's the only decent option. But it's weird. I don't care what manpower shortages the Court faces; if at the very least some guard robots don't start shadowing the Annies when they leave the building the Court is simply not doing its due diligence. All court robots except for Robot are presumably busy maintaining the shield. |
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Post by novia on Nov 22, 2018 1:26:58 GMT
Which Annie is the fake Annie? See the title of Chapter 68.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 22, 2018 1:54:13 GMT
I don't care what manpower shortages the Court faces; if at the very least some guard robots don't start shadowing the Annies when they leave the building the Court is simply not doing its due diligence. All court robots except for Robot are presumably busy maintaining the shield. |
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Post by novia on Nov 22, 2018 4:47:11 GMT
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Nov 22, 2018 8:45:18 GMT
Man, they're just all gonna go along with this I guess. I suppose, given an absence of nefariousness or imminent danger, and lacking a method for proving who's human, that's the only decent option. But it's weird. I wonder what'll happen when everyone's at ease enough that the two Annies are left alone together. Will they both keep up the ruse, honestly unsure who is the real Annie....or will the fake Annie drop the act and press the real one about getting what Loup wants? Yeah, Im a bit surprised that they aren't applying one of the "Renard tests" (who can control him, what does he see in the ether). Did Annie take back custody of Renard yet? I honestly forget. If she hasn't, he wouldn't be much help unfortunately. |
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Post by jda on Nov 22, 2018 8:57:47 GMT
Yeah, Im a bit surprised that they aren't applying one of the "Renard tests" (who can control him, what does he see in the ether). Did Annie take back custody of Renard yet? I honestly forget. If she hasn't, he wouldn't be much help unfortunately. Yes. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1929 |
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Post by netherdan on Nov 22, 2018 12:27:25 GMT
Their eyes are still red and they have a new piece of weird hardware over their foreheads... Maybe Kat managed to override their override to make them useful while still maintaining the shield? Are they in a conscious state (i.e. driven by self aware AIs) or just dumb like a Roomba? Can we keep BoxBot dumb and not self aware (and turn him into a useful roomba while at it)? |
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Post by saardvark on Nov 22, 2018 12:48:27 GMT
Yeah, Im a bit surprised that they aren't applying one of the "Renard tests" (who can control him, what does he see in the ether). Did Annie take back custody of Renard yet? I honestly forget. If she hasn't, he wouldn't be much help unfortunately. Even if she didn't have custody (tho see jda), Renard could still observe and report on the schizo, wonky form of court!Annie's fire-self in the ether. Though it might be argued that this weird ether form is due to the experiences of court!Annie on her timeline have led to a much poorer healing and reintegration of human Annie and her fire elemental side, post-cut. Though this has led me to a sort of wild-spec: What if the point of all this (Coyote/Ys -> Loup, the court attack, 2 Annies) was a "life-lesson" for Annie cooked up by Coyote? The lesson being that the only way for Annie to really be her best self was to fully accept her fire-elemental side and the anger that goes with it... it is a source of resilience and strength. Coyote in a way would be underlining something Ys had already tried to convey. If I remember correctly, only when Annie gets mad at Loup and tries to flame him, only then does she fully heal the cut to the elemental and all her hair seem to lengthen (2037-38), though her side bangs had been growing previously. At the "flame-on", the fire elemental is no longer cut, and afterwards, the back of Annie's hair starts growing at an accelerated rate (2042 ... as long as her t-shirt arms, 2044... mid-back, 2046... back to about normal). Is Loup a nemesis Coyote has set up to help Annie reintegrate? Then her "double" (however created) court!Annie demonstrates what happens if Annie never fully reconciles with her file elemental side. Loup(Coyote/Ys) using a split timeline to show Annie two life-paths.... crazy? I'll add this to wild spec as well... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 22, 2018 16:17:33 GMT
Their eyes are still red and they have a new piece of weird hardware over their foreheads... Maybe Kat managed to override their override to make them useful while still maintaining the shield? Are they in a conscious state (i.e. driven by self aware AIs) or just dumb like a Roomba? Can we keep BoxBot dumb and not self aware (and turn him into a useful roomba while at it)? Kat has been working on their instructional code. Remaining stationary and helping to project the barrier apparently takes all their golem heart etheric mojo but shouldn't eat much in the way of other resources, so possibly Kat made a work-around so they could move while still maintaining the barrier. Or maybe she or Robot Admin did something with spare bodies with no CPUs that never had the barrier protocol installed. But the main points here are that 1. there are some robots who appear to be moving around doing stuff and 2. boxbot will never be functional in a praiseworthy way. |
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