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Post by faiiry on Nov 5, 2018 8:04:12 GMT
No answers yet. Although I think the guy on the right could indeed be Eglamore. Unironically, of course.
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Post by madjack on Nov 5, 2018 8:16:22 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 5, 2018 8:18:56 GMT
Today's comic illustrates why you should always carry your student ID when on campus.
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Post by Nepycros on Nov 5, 2018 8:27:16 GMT
Hopefully there's a time release on the memories. Having to manually rebuild all her personal connections would be possibly the most heart-wrenching and Annie-destroying thing Tom could come up with...
I'm worried he'd actually do it. Was this "PREQUEL -or- Making an Annie Cry: The Adventure" again?
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Post by noone3 on Nov 5, 2018 9:03:28 GMT
Are those bulletproof vests? They are trying sooo hard. This totally resonates with Half-life interdimentional invasion vibes.  |
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Post by somebunny on Nov 5, 2018 9:07:03 GMT
I'm still kinda skeptical that a memory wipe is what actually happened. Coyote has removed pieces of Ysengrin's memories before, but taking away years of memories from the entire court? Probably within Loup's power to do so, but extremely excessive, and also extremely counterproductive to the one thing Loup asked Annie to do (retrieve some objects from people who know you, who would probably only give it to you because they know you). An excessiveness that matches Loup, but certainly doesn't match his desire for Annie to not keep him waiting.
Not to mention, there is no way Tony or Eglamore could look at Annie and not just immediately see Surma and recognize something fishy is up. If it IS a memory thing, maybe that'll be how the "annie making people remember her" ball gets rolling.
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Post by madjack on Nov 5, 2018 9:26:12 GMT
If Anthony can't remember her, perhaps they'll be able to connect properly without his guilt and hangups getting in the way?
If Loup really wants to alienate her and drive her back to him, that would be the perfect trickster scheme backfire.
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Post by csj on Nov 5, 2018 9:30:25 GMT
maybe they'd listen to her more if she arrived back with a robot(they're already dealing with forest interlopers, I'd be pretty paranoid if someone just wandered into the court and pretended to be the kid of a VIP, especially if I didn't know they had one) |
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Post by todd on Nov 5, 2018 12:45:23 GMT
I'm still kinda skeptical that a memory wipe is what actually happened. Coyote has removed pieces of Ysengrin's memories before, but taking away years of memories from the entire court? Probably within Loup's power to do so, but extremely excessive, and also extremely counterproductive to the one thing Loup asked Annie to do (retrieve some objects from people who know you, who would probably only give it to you because they know you). An excessiveness that matches Loup, but certainly doesn't match his desire for Annie to not keep him waiting. Not to mention, there is no way Tony or Eglamore could look at Annie and not just immediately see Surma and recognize something fishy is up. If it IS a memory thing, maybe that'll be how the "annie making people remember her" ball gets rolling. As I mentioned yesterday, given everything that Annie's done at the Court, erasing all memory of her would create a lot of problems. How to explain Reynardine going from possessing the body of a Rogat Orjak in a prison cell to wandering about the Court in a wolf's body? How to explain the Court's hold over Antony that got him to return and work there? How to explain (for those who know about it, like Kat, Parley, and Smith) Jeanne's being set free? And everything else? There'd be too many "plotholes" resulting. (And, as I also said yesterday, I don't think Loup has the patience to attend to them.) (Not to mention - would Loup even be able to reach past the force field and extract everyone's memories within the Court? Coyote was standing directly over Ysengrin when he stole his memories; he didn't do it from afar.) I also noted the problem about how that would hinder Annie's mission. Of course, it could be: a. Loup wants Annie's mission to fail so that he can be justified in attacking the Court or b. in Loup's mental state, he didn't realize the consequences of his acts. (I might add that if Loup really could erase memories like that, a better move would be for him to pluck the memories of the "big project" out of everyone at Court, thus cancelling whatever Gunnerkrigg's up to that threatens Gilltie Wood without a fight.) |
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Post by philman on Nov 5, 2018 13:41:52 GMT
Maybe the time skip is even larger than we imagined? Tony is an old man now, and Kat is an adult who still misses her long lost friend?
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Post by brilliantgrey on Nov 5, 2018 13:52:02 GMT
it's definitely bald Eglamore on this page and I, for one, love him.
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Post by todd on Nov 5, 2018 14:05:32 GMT
Maybe the time skip is even larger than we imagined? Tony is an old man now, and Kat is an adult who still misses her long lost friend? I hope not; that would make things far too complicated. Unless the time skip was somehow undone (either by it all being an illusion of Loup's - the "it-was-all-a-dream" cop-out that I hope Tom's not going for - or by Kat building a time machine that can send Annie back to the immediate aftermath of Loup's attack so that she can handle things differently, which doesn't seem much better). |
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Post by dramastix on Nov 5, 2018 14:16:32 GMT
For the record, my supposition that he's made everyone forget her was a knee jerk reaction that I really really hope is not the direction we're going. All of the plot issues inherent to that decision have already been laid out by todd, somebunny, and others, and frankly I'd be disappointed if I'd called it; Tom so frequently subverts our expectations.
This may have been addressed already, but isn't this at least the second time Annie's disappeared into the forest for an extended period without saying goodbye to Kat first? Girl is going to be livid.
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Post by faiiry on Nov 5, 2018 14:32:50 GMT
it's definitely bald Eglamore on this page and I, for one, love him. Why stop there? We’ve got Bald Eglamore, Blonde Eglamore, Redhead Eglamore, and Eglamore Eglamore. |
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 5, 2018 14:40:40 GMT
Loup turned almost everyone into stoats. calling it now.
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Post by netherdan on Nov 5, 2018 15:04:02 GMT
Okay, so I'm out for 2 pages and there's a discussion on Court wide memory manipulation? What the heck you have been smoking? Give me some of it!
Seriously, what I interpreted from both these pages is just some external task force dealing with the Court problems after Evac. They had to call more people since the robots are useless and there's hidden breach points where forest creatures keep assaulting the Court from time to time. Them not knowing who a single student is is not a mistery plot to be theorized about, geez
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Post by blazingstar on Nov 5, 2018 15:09:02 GMT
Okay, so I'm out for 2 pages and there's a discussion on Court wide memory manipulation? What the heck you have been smoking? Give me some of it! Seriously, what I interpreted from both these pages is just some external task force dealing with the Court problems after Evac. They had to call more people since the robots are useless and there's hidden breach points where forest creatures keep assaulting the Court from time to time. Them not knowing who a single student is is not a mistery plot to be theorized about, geez THANK YOU. I'm siding with netherdan and Occam's Razor, here: some people who aren't as personally familiar with Antimony and may not have even been told who she is or that she's missing are in charge of the security situation. |
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Post by blackmantha on Nov 5, 2018 15:12:51 GMT
If people really don't remember, Annie is going to have to question whose memories are more likely false: thousands or people protected by a forcefield (plus their records), or one girl that just came walking out of the forest. That would be a whole different kind of heart-wrenching. Fortunately, the one person on the planet whose memory Loup most likely can't mess with is right here in the court. She just dropped in.
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Post by tustin2121 on Nov 5, 2018 16:17:10 GMT
Maybe the time skip is even larger than we imagined? Tony is an old man now, and Kat is an adult who still misses her long lost friend? I doubt this, because Annie's body was affected by the time skip (her hair grew out, remember?). So if Kat was an adult, Annie would be as well. Seriously, what I interpreted from both these pages is just some external task force dealing with the Court problems after Evac. They had to call more people since the robots are useless and there's hidden breach points where forest creatures keep assaulting the Court from time to time. Them not knowing who a single student is is not a mistery plot to be theorized about, geez THANK YOU. I'm siding with netherdan and Occam's Razor, here: some people who aren't as personally familiar with Antimony and may not have even been told who she is or that she's missing are in charge of the security situation. I'm jumping on this bandwagon as well. They're just pawns tasked to guard the forest barrier. I highly doubt they're from outside the court, as the court isn't the kind who wants anyone outside to even know they exist. But just because they live in the court doesn't mean they know what all is going on with the social group we're following or in court politics. |
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 5, 2018 16:38:52 GMT
Guards, it would probably be smart if one of you were in front or at least next to Annie to guide her where to go. Or are you just going to shout "turn left" from behind?
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Post by jda on Nov 5, 2018 17:14:22 GMT
No, people, listen.
"Willingly".
That means that during the months that have passed, Kat&Tony found a way to free Arthur of the ShieldTrance(TM), then they all were able to relocate
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Tony would not leave, for waiting for Annie; then, when forced, He rebelled, got rogue and maybe even led a faction that sent robots/parties to search Annie. Thus, he (and maybe the ScobbyGang) were outlawed.
[edit]: and maybe , just to up the odds, in the scuffle, Parley and Smith lost the Coyote items/were confiscated. Now, the SubQuest is to infiltrate the Court HQ and retrieve them.
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Post by fia on Nov 5, 2018 18:42:38 GMT
My guess: it's been over a year (maybe as many as 3 years) and Annie is now an adult. Or something...
It's gotta be a year because we're starting a new book. The semester didn't quite end, did it?
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Post by arkadi on Nov 5, 2018 18:50:46 GMT
No, people, listen. "Willingly". That means that during the months that have passed, Kat&Tony found a way to free Arthur of the ShieldTrance(TM), then they all were able to relocate B U T Tony would not leave, for waiting for Annie; then, when forced, He rebelled, got rogue and maybe even led a faction that sent robots/parties to search Annie. Thus, he (and maybe the ScobbyGang) were outlawed. [edit]: and maybe , just to up the odds, in the scuffle, Parley and Smith lost the Coyote items/were confiscated. Now, the SubQuest is to infiltrate the Court HQ and retrieve them. ...or maybe it means that these guys don't just trust anyone who will walk through the barrier and claim to live there and be related to Anthony Carver. |
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Post by jda on Nov 5, 2018 18:58:23 GMT
No, people, listen. "Willingly". That means that during the months that have passed, Kat&Tony found a way to free Arthur of the ShieldTrance(TM), then they all were able to relocate B U T Tony would not leave, for waiting for Annie; then, when forced, He rebelled, got rogue and maybe even led a faction that sent robots/parties to search Annie. Thus, he (and maybe the ScobbyGang) were outlawed. [edit]: and maybe , just to up the odds, in the scuffle, Parley and Smith lost the Coyote items/were confiscated. Now, the SubQuest is to infiltrate the Court HQ and retrieve them. ...or maybe it means that these guys don't just trust anyone who will walk through the barrier and claim to live there and be related to Anthony Carver. Wildpsec, you are free! Go! |
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Post by jda on Nov 5, 2018 19:01:08 GMT
It's all about hair and hairclip-envy...
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Post by Runningflame on Nov 5, 2018 19:02:17 GMT
Coyote was standing directly over Ysengrin when he stole his memories; he didn't do it from afar. It does seem that Coyote can be in two places at once, so I think we should be pretty hesitant to apply the word "can't" to him (or Loup, although Loup may be less capable than Coyote). I think "wouldn't, because it would be tedious & inconvenient and/or wouldn't fit his goals" is a better argument against the mass memory manipulation theory. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Nov 5, 2018 19:25:57 GMT
Given Annie was/is the Forest Medium, was under consideration as the Court Medium, and has been involved in past incidents, I think it's a pretty good expectation for her name to be known by Court security folks. Given Anthony Carver's status, as well, it should be expected for them to know he has a daughter, and if that daughter were to be the Forest Medium.... doubly ought to be known. While my initial reaction to their response was "Oh, no, they don't remember her" my other thought has been "Loup made an Annie Doppelganger."
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 5, 2018 19:58:26 GMT
Next page: She says "Yes." and is immediately arrested. I was not completely wrong, right?  This may have been addressed already, but isn't this at least the second time Annie's disappeared into the forest for an extended period without saying goodbye to Kat first? Girl is going to be livid. I am pretty sure they said goodbye, and it was simply not shown on-panel. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Nov 5, 2018 21:17:19 GMT
Given Annie was/is the Forest Medium, was under consideration as the Court Medium, and has been involved in past incidents, I think it's a pretty good expectation for her name to be known by Court security folks. Given Anthony Carver's status, as well, it should be expected for them to know he has a daughter, and if that daughter were to be the Forest Medium.... doubly ought to be known. While my initial reaction to their response was "Oh, no, they don't remember her" my other thought has been "Loup made an Annie Doppelganger." I'd counter by asking if you knew the name of your country's ambassador to your country's biggest rival country (ie, if American, the name of the US Ambassador to Russia). If they haven't been in inter-/national news in the last month, I'd guess not. And it's been several months since Annie's disappearance, and so the likelihood of someone not related to or directly working with the Carver family remembering Annie's name is low. These guys seem to be simply "border patrol", and thus not working with or for Tony (and probably not even in the same "department"), and thus have no chance to hear nor reason to remember his long-lost (and presumed dead) daughter's name. But Tony himself is apparently sufficiently important or active enough for them to know his name. Also, it just occurred to me that Tony is going to have a very emotional reunion with Annie, seeing as she's been gone for several months at the least. Who wants to take bets on how he's going to react? Is this finally going to be the thing that breaks his shell wide open and he openly cries in public? Or perhaps just what breaks his emotional shell around Annie? Or will he remain ever emotionless? |
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Post by craftims on Nov 5, 2018 23:38:19 GMT
Hi everyone, finally decided to come out of the woodwork and start conversing with you all and sharing my ideas.
What if this has nothing to do with time travel at all? What if it's a parallel dimension, given their chill confusion about her coming from the forest it seems like they have a very different relationship with it than the one she is used to.
Now the big question of what might cause this bubble universe I think is answered by the omega device, we still don't know what it does, but even if it's not my more extreme example, I still think it is the cause of whatever is happening here.
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