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Post by philman on Oct 17, 2018 7:03:31 GMT
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Post by madjack on Oct 17, 2018 7:05:52 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 17, 2018 7:32:51 GMT
Oh man, I'm loving these! But I wonder, dancing requires some... emotional creativity, can Jones manage that, or would she always just be as cold and calculating, only being able to dance in learned patterns?
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Post by Zox Tomana on Oct 17, 2018 9:01:01 GMT
Oh man, I'm loving these! But I wonder, dancing requires some... emotional creativity, can Jones manage that, or would she always just be as cold and calculating, only being able to dance in learned patterns? Most partner dances I'm familiar with have a "basic step" you follow to get around the floor, and everything else is embellishment of generally known movements signaled by the lead. As long as she can understand the body language tells of what the lead is asking her to do, it wouldn't go so bad. I've done some dancing with girls who didn't really know how to dance at all, putting my meagre abilities as the thing pulling us through the song... and they didn't have that understanding but we made it work anyway because we were both willing to roll with the metaphorical punches. Plus, even if she doesn't have emotional ability, she implies she's capable of leading, which means she can probably at least take patterns she's learned and apply them to new music. Rather than a move fitting an emotional moment, however, I could see the embellishments fitting the tempo or rhythmic moment of the song instead. Logical application, rather than emotive application. When it comes to more spontaneous, modern dance styles, especially styles focusing on the individual and far less on known basic steps and recognized embellishments, where you improv to the music, she might have more trouble. |
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Post by csj on Oct 17, 2018 9:26:06 GMT
'lose yourself to dance' just got a whole new meaning
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Post by Per on Oct 17, 2018 10:32:33 GMT
"[2054-2062] Questions from readers megathread"? No?
... Jones mimics contrite body language pretty well.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 17, 2018 12:36:55 GMT
Oh man, I'm loving these! But I wonder, dancing requires some... emotional creativity, can Jones manage that, or would she always just be as cold and calculating, only being able to dance in learned patterns? Most partner dances I'm familiar with have a "basic step" you follow to get around the floor, and everything else is embellishment of generally known movements signaled by the lead. As long as she can understand the body language tells of what the lead is asking her to do, it wouldn't go so bad. I've done some dancing with girls who didn't really know how to dance at all, putting my meagre abilities as the thing pulling us through the song... and they didn't have that understanding but we made it work anyway because we were both willing to roll with the metaphorical punches. Plus, even if she doesn't have emotional ability, she implies she's capable of leading, which means she can probably at least take patterns she's learned and apply them to new music. Rather than a move fitting an emotional moment, however, I could see the embellishments fitting the tempo or rhythmic moment of the song instead. Logical application, rather than emotive application. When it comes to more spontaneous, modern dance styles, especially styles focusing on the individual and far less on known basic steps and recognized embellishments, where you improv to the music, she might have more trouble. Totally agree that she could follow the basics. I'm quite a good lead (and a beginner follower  ) in salsa and bachata (even teach that last one), so I also think she might be able to follow a strong lead. But couple dances also require some degree of freedom and self-expression. And that's something that Jones lacks, so how good could she mimic it? I'm afraid Jones would be quite a heavy follow in any case  |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 17, 2018 13:41:57 GMT
I feel your pain, Jones. I can't count the number of girlfriends and swing dance partners I've embarras- hurt... I mean hurt.
The 2000's was a tragic decade, in other ways, but let's not talk about all the 'pop-n-lockin'.
Some things need to be left to die...
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Post by ohthatone on Oct 17, 2018 14:11:43 GMT
dangit Jones, are you the reason there is no breakdancing allowed on the cruise ship?
I wonder what other arts Jones has tried. I bet she can play an instrument, it would just sound more mechanical, like someone just reading music instead of feeling it.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Oct 17, 2018 21:50:26 GMT
I feel your pain, Jones. I can't count the number of girlfriends and swing dance partners I've embarras- hurt... I mean hurt. The 2000's was a tragic decade, in other ways, but let's not talk about all the 'pop-n-lockin'. Some things need to be left to die... So, you're saying that, when it comes to the "pop it" and "lock it", we need to... drop it? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 18, 2018 0:30:30 GMT
dangit Jones, are you the reason there is no breakdancing allowed on the cruise ship? I wonder what other arts Jones has tried. I bet she can play an instrument, it would just sound more mechanical, like someone just reading music instead of feeling it. Actually, I think one of the cool things about Jones is that, while she doesn't have any capacity for true emotional expression or creativity, she has so much experience living with humans that it can be pretty hard to tell the difference sometimes. I imagine that she could actually sound quite emotional, by mimicking other musicians she's seen/heard. The problem with that, of course, is that people expect a unique style, and that's one thing she is really, really, incapable of having. |
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Post by warrl on Oct 18, 2018 3:58:00 GMT
Reminds me of something I read about the possibility of AIs having emotional responses.
Questioner, after a lecture: "How would you prove that an AI is having a real emotional response, rather than faking it through clever programming?"
Lecturer: "How would you prove that YOU are having a real emotional response, rather than faking it?"
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Oct 19, 2018 3:47:47 GMT
How readers reacted to the consequences of that first diagram:  |
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) in salsa and bachata (even teach that last one), so I also think she might be able to follow a strong lead. But couple dances also require some degree of freedom and self-expression. And that's something that Jones lacks, so how good could she mimic it?
