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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 19, 2018 7:13:35 GMT
As expected, "Loup" brings up the stories of "Renart" and "Isengrim." And those stories have been a long-speculated reason for Ysengrin to be upset with humans and go to great lengths to impress on them his strength. |
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Post by madjack on Sept 19, 2018 8:19:56 GMT
So Surma read Annie stories about Renard and Ys and never told her that she knew them both? Hmm. The "things that Surma could have told Annie" pile is getting pretty big.
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Post by arf on Sept 19, 2018 8:25:24 GMT
Totally by the way (although it *was* prompted by looking up "Renart" and "Isengrim"), there has been a recent pointed remark on Wikipedia about the Gunnerkrigg plot synopsis having been left untouched for nine years. I think a few things have happened since, and I'm thinking of doing an update. Anyone wishing to assist/critique can go to Talk:Gunnerkrigg_Court(Depending on interest, I may create a placeholder thread here, although the main discussion is likely to be on Wikipedia) |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 19, 2018 10:12:01 GMT
Does anybody recognize the story depicted on the middle right of the page? It seems to be a specific one.
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Post by ST13R on Sept 19, 2018 11:08:05 GMT
Does anybody recognize the story depicted on the middle right of the page? It seems to be a specific one. It seem to be two stories: One where Renard tricks Ysengrin to stick his tail in ice to catch fish, Ysengrin gets stuck. The second story begins with Renard stuck in a well, he convinces greedy Ysengrin it is wonderful down there, and if he just gets in the bucket, he can come down. Renard gets out this way, while Ysengrin is stuck again. The wiki has links to books who go into a bit more detail.
Maybe Renard with the bird is a third story (?) I really like the drawing style :') |
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Post by todd on Sept 19, 2018 12:35:06 GMT
Does anybody recognize the story depicted on the middle right of the page? It seems to be a specific one. It seem to be two stories: One where Renard tricks Ysengrin to stick his tail in ice to catch fish, Ysengrin gets stuck. It gets referenced in the "Coyote" spin-off book. (Coyote first meets Ysengrin in it in the aftermath of that scheme.) The story about the well reminded me of one of Uncle Remus's Brer Rabbit stories, where Brer Rabbit plays a similar trick on Brer Fox. |
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Post by faiiry on Sept 19, 2018 12:37:06 GMT
Wow, that must suck for Ys’s self esteem. Being a living joke?? Somebody get him a copy of I’m Okay You’re Okay.
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Post by Eve Swann on Sept 19, 2018 14:48:32 GMT
Annie will just counter that she grew to care for Ys because of who he is, not because of how he's depicted in the stories or how he appears in the ether. She's not so shallow as to only like him because he's beautiful there.
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Post by darlos9d on Sept 19, 2018 14:55:33 GMT
Annie will just counter that she grew to care for Ys because of who he is, not because of how he's depicted in the stories or how he appears in the ether. She's not so shallow as to only like him because he's beautiful there. Yeah I was gonna say. Annie's gonna be like "I just, like... talked to him, bruh. It's not that complicated." |
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Post by fia on Sept 19, 2018 21:53:26 GMT
It seem to be two stories: One where Renard tricks Ysengrin to stick his tail in ice to catch fish, Ysengrin gets stuck. It gets referenced in the "Coyote" spin-off book. (Coyote first meets Ysengrin in it in the aftermath of that scheme.) The story about the well reminded me of one of Uncle Remus's Brer Rabbit stories, where Brer Rabbit plays a similar trick on Brer Fox. There are also some other Native American stories about Raccoon and Wolf playing tricks on each other. There is a picture book of one of these where Wolf is portrayed very sympathetically. Maybe Annie will point out that sometimes Renard comes across as an asshole in those stories? (Because he does: tricksters are funny, but the word 'mischievous' and the word 'devious' as well as the word 'wily' all have negative and positive connotations.) |
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Post by jda on Sept 19, 2018 23:28:19 GMT
Well, it'd be really hard for anyone's psyche to know that you are alive to be but a Living Butt of a Joke, indeed, since its very first appearance(?) in the comic. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=277 to www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=279Oh, and Annie herself was the involuntary reason for it. |
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Post by machiavelli33 on Sept 20, 2018 2:50:03 GMT
The Fool crossed with the Trickster is a most dangerous combination - a trickster who tricks with no cunning only endangers themselves and others to no one's benefit, and a fool who acts the fool with a small amount of trickery only ensures that people get properly hurt in their foolery as it is less obvious and less easily evaded.
The adage of a little knowledge being the most dangerous thing seems horribly apt, here - and we are dealing with the affairs of gods and divine beings, so multiply that effect by a thousand-fold.
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Post by davidm on Sept 20, 2018 2:51:20 GMT
Looks like Ys is bitter at humans and has poor self worth because stories humans told about him.
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Post by blazingstar on Sept 20, 2018 3:58:41 GMT
I was wondering if/when the subject of the Real Life Ysengrin tales would come up. This may be the most meta that GC has ever gotten.
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Post by jda on Sept 20, 2018 4:32:21 GMT
I was wondering if/when the subject of the Real Life Ysengrin tales would come up. This may be the most meta that GC has ever gotten. well, not exactly meta, but this first panel counts. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 20, 2018 7:03:14 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 20, 2018 10:13:35 GMT
Does anybody recognize the story depicted on the middle right of the page? It seems to be a specific one. It seem to be two stories: One where Renard tricks Ysengrin to stick his tail in ice to catch fish, Ysengrin gets stuck. The second story begins with Renard stuck in a well, he convinces greedy Ysengrin it is wonderful down there, and if he just gets in the bucket, he can come down. Renard gets out this way, while Ysengrin is stuck again. The wiki has links to books who go into a bit more detail. Maybe Renard with the bird is a third story (?) I really like the drawing style :') Thank you! I did not even realize the left panel showed Ys with his tail stuck in ice. The Fool crossed with the Trickster is a most dangerous combination - a trickster who tricks with no cunning only endangers themselves and others to no one's benefit Sounds a bit like a description of Loup. |
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