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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 3, 2018 7:11:38 GMT
Looks like "Loup" does have some memories from Coyote after all. He apparently knew about Jeanne and the device. Waiting to see if the offer is actually an offer or a threat like I expected. |
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Post by madjack on Sept 3, 2018 7:25:54 GMT
Interesting that he knew the nature of the device itself, I wonder whether there was any communication between Coyote and the RoTD... And (on the very next page) whether them not seeing eye-to-eye with the 'pomps might be a plot point. Or he could just be powerful enough to discern it at a glance or something. Hmm. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 3, 2018 7:31:14 GMT
Coyote's "branches" to the ether should make him connected in some way to the RotD. That he knows about the device suggests he tracks information through those connections in a better way than the RotD is capable of. Not sure he'd have anything to say to them unless he wanted to play some sort of trick.
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Post by madjack on Sept 3, 2018 7:36:14 GMT
He's always trying to play some kind of trick.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Sept 3, 2018 8:37:30 GMT
So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it.
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Post by wanderer on Sept 3, 2018 10:03:40 GMT
I haven't been reading discussions here lately, so this may well have been already suggested (in fact I'd consider it likely: you all tend to analyze and remember things in the comic much better than I can, after all)... but I think it's time to break out The Tooth. If it can literally slice a shadow off the floor, perhaps it can divide Loup back into two beings again.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Sept 3, 2018 10:26:25 GMT
I haven't been reading discussions here lately, so this may well have been already suggested (in fact I'd consider it likely: you all tend to analyze and remember things in the comic much better than I can, after all)... but I think it's time to break out The Tooth. If it can literally slice a shadow off the floor, perhaps it can divide Loup back into two beings again. It has been said on the discussion of the page where Loup asks for the goose bone and the lake water, as they are "missing pieces", but forgets about the Tooth. But nevertheless, always good to remember these things, when going forward into a new discussion! |
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Post by Per on Sept 3, 2018 11:20:40 GMT
Coyote: Diego did nothing wrong! Looks like "Loup" does have some memories from Coyote after all. I had assumed he had all of them that weren't specifically hidden. |
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Post by madjack on Sept 3, 2018 11:23:12 GMT
Best guess at Loup's offer: He thinks the arrow's mechanism can be used to split Annie's fire off from her while still being bound to it, so she can live a full life. Not sure how that would affect the whole "passing it on" mechanic.
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Post by rafk on Sept 3, 2018 11:48:30 GMT
Best guess at Loup's offer: He thinks the arrow's mechanism can be used to split Annie's fire off from her while still being bound to it, so she can live a full life. Not sure how that would affect the whole "passing it on" mechanic. I like this guess. I would hope the Annie we've come to know won't go for anything Loup offers but it'll make her pause for thought maybe... Or she might turn it down flat and then Loup breaks out the grizzly threats. |
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Post by philman on Sept 3, 2018 13:44:51 GMT
Best guess at Loup's offer: He thinks the arrow's mechanism can be used to split Annie's fire off from her while still being bound to it, so she can live a full life. Not sure how that would affect the whole "passing it on" mechanic. Oooh that's a good theory, I like that. would get a lot of support from Tony too, it's exactly what he's been searching for all this time. And it has been Kat who has been researching the arrow heavily too... a lot of threads would converge nicely here. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 3, 2018 14:12:08 GMT
This is the first time Annie said she loved Ysengrin, right? Aww.  So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it. Personally the gorgeous artwork of this chapter alone is worth it for me. |
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Post by jda on Sept 3, 2018 14:27:47 GMT
So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it. Well, I am an exposition fan, so for me this is the payoff itself |
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Post by jda on Sept 3, 2018 14:38:27 GMT
Best guess at Loup's offer: He thinks the arrow's mechanism can be used to split Annie's fire off from her while still being bound to it, so she can live a full life. Not sure how that would affect the whole "passing it on" mechanic. Oooh that's a good theory, I like that. would get a lot of support from Tony too, it's exactly what he's been searching for all this time. And it has been Kat who has been researching the arrow heavily too... a lot of threads would converge nicely here. Yes, that'd be the most plot-advancing line. Another /wildspec would be that Annie is not aware of another limitation/"etheric genetic defect" on the Fire elementals, kind of " At 27, your kind withers and die, so the only way to survive is passing the fire to a child", and so Loup offers to cancel that fate, basically offering Annie... Immortality. |
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Post by bedinsis on Sept 3, 2018 16:41:44 GMT
I second Annie's notion of not liking Loup. So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it. Reminds me of the comment Mr. Siddell made on this page. Boy, how things have changed. Oh and hey, apparently I became senior member recently. Neato. |
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Post by jda on Sept 3, 2018 16:53:11 GMT
I second Annie's notion of not liking Loup. So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it. Reminds me of the comment Mr. Siddell made on this page. Boy, how things have changed. Oh and hey, apparently I became senior member recently. Neato. Congrats on the Seniorate! |
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Post by zaferion on Sept 3, 2018 17:00:04 GMT
I second Annie's notion of not liking Loup. So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it. Reminds me of the comment Mr. Siddell made on this page. Boy, how things have changed. I miss Zimmy |
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Post by faiiry on Sept 3, 2018 19:21:27 GMT
I too am not a huge fan of the gargantuan amounts of exposition that have been dumped on us for the past 20 pages, but as mentioned above, the artwork is beautiful enough to excuse it. And sometimes, exposition is just necessary. I’m sure it wouldn’t be happening if it wasn’t.
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Post by fia on Sept 3, 2018 22:36:33 GMT
Coyote sure is a little stinker, isn't he?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 3, 2018 23:35:13 GMT
Looks like "Loup" does have some memories from Coyote after all. I had assumed he had all of them that weren't specifically hidden. Cool. I'd been thinking it was likely but withholding judgement. Sure, we saw Ysengrin getting his own memories back but other things he had been saying were things that Ysengrin should have known or Ysengrin's probable opinion on things. Even the stuff about the gifts was something Ysengrin could have (and likely did) overhear so there was reason to be skeptical. This page has "Loup" clearly referencing something that Ysengrin very probably knew little or nothing about, because if he did he could have acted on it to remove the barrier to crossing the river (most likely by retrieving the device from the bottom of the Annan via tree branches and then biting it in half to free Mr. Green). |
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Post by todd on Sept 4, 2018 0:23:33 GMT
I like this guess. I would hope the Annie we've come to know won't go for anything Loup offers but it'll make her pause for thought maybe... Or she might turn it down flat and then Loup breaks out the grizzly threats. I do suspect that Annie will end up agreeing to Loup's demands, simply because if she doesn't, those gifts to Parley and Smith won't have any role in the story after all. Loup mentions that Coyote had no interest in crossing the river. Assuming he's telling the truth, this indicates all the more that Coyote's goal was not to destroy the Court (though that was probably the goal of many of the other inhabitants of the Forest), and was simply manipulating the friction between the Wood and the Court for his own ends. |
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Post by jda on Sept 4, 2018 7:35:56 GMT
PLOT TWIST:
Coyote works for the Court!
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Post by rafk on Sept 4, 2018 8:19:05 GMT
I like this guess. I would hope the Annie we've come to know won't go for anything Loup offers but it'll make her pause for thought maybe... Or she might turn it down flat and then Loup breaks out the grizzly threats. I do suspect that Annie will end up agreeing to Loup's demands, simply because if she doesn't, those gifts to Parley and Smith won't have any role in the story after all. Loup mentions that Coyote had no interest in crossing the river. Assuming he's telling the truth, this indicates all the more that Coyote's goal was not to destroy the Court (though that was probably the goal of many of the other inhabitants of the Forest), and was simply manipulating the friction between the Wood and the Court for his own ends. Annie doesn't have to agree to Loup's demands to realise that Coyote's gifts are certainly part of a Coyote plan set in motion in advance, and possibly a way to defeat Loup, and try to use them herself. |
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Post by arf on Sept 4, 2018 12:36:15 GMT
I second Annie's notion of not liking Loup. Reminds me of the comment Mr. Siddell made on this page. Boy, how things have changed. Oh and hey, apparently I became senior member recently. Neato. Congrats on the Seniorate! Things have changed. I think, back then, you'd have got 12 pages of exposition, presented as a wall of text. |
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Post by Runningflame on Sept 4, 2018 18:16:42 GMT
Does anyone else get an Egyptian sort of vibe from the bottom panel?
(Also, I'm amused by how Loup says "Such a cruel device!" like it's a compliment.)
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 4, 2018 21:10:32 GMT
PLOT TWIST: Coyote works for the Court! If we find out later, that Janet Llanwellyn's mother is a raven-haired women with blue and red eye-shadow, things will definitely be more complicated and hilarious. If memory serves me, the folk-story Ysengrin was a bit thick and greedy (more like Loup than our Y). Renard ended up cunningly killing him. Will Loup merely take Renard bodyswap power, or will Renard need to relinquish it? If Renard returns to the Forest with his dangerous power intact, Loup might gullibly cover his eyes. Leading to a toothy opportunity, perhaps. Like many have pointed out, it almost seems like a Tooth of Damocles is dangling over Loup. |
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Post by keef on Sept 4, 2018 21:54:59 GMT
Annie doesn't have to agree to Loup's demands to realise that Coyote's gifts are certainly part of a Coyote plan set in motion in advance, and possibly a way to defeat Loup, and try to use them herself. I think she is already happy with a chance to return to the Court, but doesn't want Loup to realize that. And she probably has a plan to fight him. If memory serves me, the folk-story Ysengrin was a bit thick and greedy (more like Loup than our Y). Renard ended up cunningly killing him. Will Loup merely take Renard bodyswap power, or will Renard need to relinquish it? If Renard returns to the Forest with his dangerous power intact, Loup might gullibly cover his eyes. Leading to a toothy opportunity, perhaps. Nice! But would Annie accept the risk this would for ever kill Ysengrin and Coyote? Either Loup is lying (again) or I've always wrongly interpreted Tom Siddell's answers about this:
Q: So.... coyote made a big deal about a minor squabble--
TS: Incorrect. He didn't even know about Jeanne and her guy.And more to the point:
Q: Did Coyote know Jeanne before he divided the Court and the Woods? Does he know that the Court did something to her (and if so, does he know what)?
TS: No, he knows nothing about her. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 4, 2018 22:32:47 GMT
So far, this chapter has been 24 pages of exposition. I sure hope the payoff is worth it. I will confess that all the exposition is more than half the reason I haven't been posting to the fourms. Loup is still exposing and I don't want to speculate when it feels like the very next page may make the speculation moot. |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 5, 2018 0:18:13 GMT
Does anyone else get an Egyptian sort of vibe from the bottom panel? Definitely. Looks like Coyote as Anubis, Egyptian jackal headed god of mummification/the afterlife. He weighed hearts of the newly dead to see if their souls should go into the afterlife. |
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Post by aline on Sept 5, 2018 7:04:22 GMT
Interesting that he knew the nature of the device itself, I wonder whether there was any communication between Coyote and the RoTD... And (on the very next page) whether them not seeing eye-to-eye with the 'pomps might be a plot point. Or he could just be powerful enough to discern it at a glance or something. Hmm. I think he just has a very deep understanding of the ether, and the arrow was recognizable to him in a way it wasn't to others. |
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