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Post by jda on Aug 31, 2018 7:11:10 GMT
Seems like he wants all the spare parts, and he wants them all now. |
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Post by gergle on Aug 31, 2018 7:13:29 GMT
Here is where she calls his bluff.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 31, 2018 7:14:52 GMT
Pretty sure in that last sequence the elongated eyelashes on "Loup" is just a comic convention that shows he is trying to be cute, not that he's actually changed the length of his eyelashes. [edit] I suppose he may literally be batting his eyelashes at her. [/edit] And pretty sure that Antimony knows that some sort of (probably thinly-veiled) threat will follow her "Why should I?" question; she's either trying to strip the superficial niceties from the situation or just being difficult.
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Post by jda on Aug 31, 2018 7:15:52 GMT
Pretty sure in that last sequence the elongated eyelashes on "Loup" is just a comic convention that shows he is trying to be cute, not that he's actually changed the length of his eyelashes. And pretty sure that Antimony knows that some sort of (probably thinly-veiled) threat will follow her "Why should I?" question; she's either trying to strip the superficial niceties from the situation or just being difficult. Starting the mediation - bargaining process. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 31, 2018 7:18:26 GMT
Pretty sure in that last sequence the elongated eyelashes on "Loup" is just a comic convention that shows he is trying to be cute, not that he's actually changed the length of his eyelashes. And pretty sure that Antimony knows that some sort of (probably thinly-veiled) threat will follow her "Why should I?" question; she's either trying to strip the superficial niceties from the situation or just being difficult. Starting the mediation - bargaining process. It would be nice if that happens. I suppose that "Loup" might offer her something as a sop but I think it wouldn't be anything that he wouldn't freely give her if she played along. |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 31, 2018 7:23:40 GMT
I like how calm and collected Annie is. Not a hint of fear this whole time. She's stoic and quick-thinking in the face of a literal murderous morally-ambiguous wolf-god who keeps flashing his gigantic teeth at her. I would have wet my pants 50 times over by now.
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Post by madjack on Aug 31, 2018 7:32:21 GMT
I hope she gets so furious with him her hair reaches its old length... then she leaves the ether and finds she's got some of it back. A fire elemental's true power. Healing complete.
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Post by bicarbonat on Aug 31, 2018 7:36:09 GMT
I'm anticipating a nice added emphasis of Annie's difference from Surma (one basically tricking him to facilitate the inhibition of his powers by the Court, the other refusing to trick him to facilitate the inhibition of his powers by the forest).
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Post by philman on Aug 31, 2018 7:37:27 GMT
Here is where she calls his bluff. Looks more like this is where he threatens everyone she has ever known, settung up the final Annie vs Court story |
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Post by csj on Aug 31, 2018 8:12:40 GMT
With all your powers combined, I am Captain CoyoteLoup!
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Post by csj on Aug 31, 2018 8:24:30 GMT
Real talk though, will he want it back? I see him refusing out of a mix of avoiding Forest influence, maintaining his link with Annie and generally messing with loup's machinations.
Reynard's already refused that body, there's obviously a reason for preferring a literal wolf doll over a cute furry, natural fox form. apart from those already given that is.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 31, 2018 10:01:20 GMT
Since "Loup" brought the topic of Renard and the body-switching up, this chapter does reveal a possible reason why Coyote could take bodies and leave people still alive when he left them. Coyote existed (to the extent he existed) as part of (or arises from?) all sorts of "interconnected systems" branching through all sorts of nature. A long time ago I described/theorized Coyote as an overlay of persona that has accumulated on a regular flow of ether that directs the ether to his will, and I think those are two ways of looking at the same thing. Just like "Loup" has trouble managing these branches Renard couldn't use Coyote's gift the same way Coyote could; both impose rather than connect with and manipulate. When Renard comes out the life that has been supplanted escapes along with him because its connections to the body were forcibly severed. Coyote didn't need to repair these connections when he possessed someone because he never broke them in the first place. Assuming that's the case, this suggests that the much-anticipated inherent flaw in Ys' gift from Coyote is the exact same as the one Renard has though it will manifest differently; beyond what's happening already it also suggests that just separating "Loup" from Coyote's power without bringing back Coyote may have disastrous consequences for Gillite Wood. Freezing things may actually be a good thing, not just because forest dudes may be getting debris rained on their heads, but the weakening of the branches may be temporarily halted. Also, this probably means "Loup" is wrong about the lake water being a control mechanism or some secret knowledge amounting to same.
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 31, 2018 10:39:03 GMT
Pretty sure in that last sequence the elongated eyelashes on "Loup" is just a comic convention that shows he is trying to be cute, not that he's actually changed the length of his eyelashes. [edit] I suppose he may literally be batting his eyelashes at her. [/edit] And pretty sure that Antimony knows that some sort of (probably thinly-veiled) threat will follow her "Why should I?" question; she's either trying to strip the superficial niceties from the situation or just being difficult. After having seen his attempt to seduce Annie with his handsome boy and woman with pointed teeth I wouldn't put it past Loup that he actually has changed his eyelashes in another amateurish attempt to manipulate her. |
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Post by csj on Aug 31, 2018 12:53:46 GMT
Pretty sure in that last sequence the elongated eyelashes on "Loup" is just a comic convention that shows he is trying to be cute, not that he's actually changed the length of his eyelashes. [edit] I suppose he may literally be batting his eyelashes at her. [/edit] And pretty sure that Antimony knows that some sort of (probably thinly-veiled) threat will follow her "Why should I?" question; she's either trying to strip the superficial niceties from the situation or just being difficult. After having seen his attempt to seduce Annie with his handsome boy and woman with pointed teeth I wouldn't put it past Loup that he actually has changed his eyelashes in another amateurish attempt to manipulate her. I wouldn't past his next panel being 'or I will eat you.' What big teeth you have, Loup. Already played the 'destroy the entire court if you don't do what I want' card. |
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 31, 2018 13:37:26 GMT
Seems like he wants all the spare parts, and he wants them all now. Alas, now I'm imagining a psychopomp bringing Freddie Mercury to the Ether. Psychopomp: "You must cross and become one with the Ether, so that others later will share in your essence." FM, smiling over his shoulder: "No worries, love. Future musicians are about to become absolutely marvelous." I'm not crying. You're crying.Didn't Renard carry the Tooth in his body, along with lock picks and who knows what else? If Loup is going to be split be the Tooth into Coyote and Ysengrin, who would be the best to perform the cut? I'm not sure. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 31, 2018 14:17:07 GMT
Didn't Renard carry the Tooth in his body, along with lock picks and who knows what else? If Loup is going to be split be the Tooth into Coyote and Ysengrin, who would be the best to perform the cut? I'm not sure. Speaking of the tooth, am I the only one wondering why he doesn't mention wanting it back? Coyote used a rock to make a new tooth but...why can he do that with a tooth and not his other parts? Or is it only cosmetic? |
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Post by elessar on Aug 31, 2018 14:35:10 GMT
Didn't Renard carry the Tooth in his body, along with lock picks and who knows what else? If Loup is going to be split be the Tooth into Coyote and Ysengrin, who would be the best to perform the cut? I'm not sure. Speaking of the tooth, am I the only one wondering why he doesn't mention wanting it back? Coyote used a rock to make a new tooth but...why can he do that with a tooth and not his other parts? Or is it only cosmetic? I was actually surprised this wasn't mentioned already. I am wondering, and I have a theory. Coyote saw this coming, so he gave away that memory (maybe in the goose bone?). He was very insistent with Annie that she not disclose the fact that she had it to anyone in the Forest and he specifically forbid her from telling Ysengrin. I suspect we see the tooth soon. Coyote wanted Annie to kill Loupe? |
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Post by gergle on Aug 31, 2018 16:11:27 GMT
Here is where she calls his bluff. Looks more like this is where he threatens everyone she has ever known, settung up the final Annie vs Court story He already did that when he claimed he could slice right through the shield, and would if she didn't stay. If he could do anything about the shield, he wouldn't be taking now. He'd smash the shield and take what he wants. |
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Post by Eve Swann on Aug 31, 2018 17:26:35 GMT
Looks more like this is where he threatens everyone she has ever known, settung up the final Annie vs Court story He already did that when he claimed he could slice right through the shield, and would if she didn't stay. If he could do anything about the shield, he wouldn't be taking now. He'd smash the shield and take what he wants. Not necessarily. Remember Loup is also part Coyote (in fact he seems to be more Coyote than Ys) and one of Coyote's main characteristics was loving humans. Maybe he wants to take a gentler touch because of this. If he gave in to Ys's anger again and just crushed the Court then the humans there would never want to interact with him the way he (Coyote) liked ever again. Not saying he wouldn't do it as a last resort but you do catch more flies with honey and all that. |
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Post by zaferion on Aug 31, 2018 17:56:38 GMT
He already did that when he claimed he could slice right through the shield, and would if she didn't stay. If he could do anything about the shield, he wouldn't be taking now. He'd smash the shield and take what he wants. Not necessarily. Remember Loup is also part Coyote (in fact he seems to be more Coyote than Ys) and one of Coyote's main characteristics was loving humans. Maybe he wants to take a gentler touch because of this. If he gave in to Ys's anger again and just crushed the Court then the humans there would never want to interact with him the way he (Coyote) liked ever again. Not saying he wouldn't do it as a last resort but you do catch more flies with honey and all that. Yeah, but Loup has proven himself unstable, impatient, aggressive, not that bright, and too dramatic for his own good. If he got irritated enough, he absolutely would do something rash and destroy the Court. Of course, he would only realize the implications of his actions after everyone was dead because, again, Loup is not that bright. |
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Post by Corvo on Aug 31, 2018 18:49:52 GMT
So Renard will have to come back to the forest? Was this Coyote's plan all along? Besides, you know, have some laughs, die and generally mess with everyone.
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Post by todd on Sept 1, 2018 0:18:06 GMT
He already did that when he claimed he could slice right through the shield, and would if she didn't stay. If he could do anything about the shield, he wouldn't be taking now. He'd smash the shield and take what he wants. Though Loup seems to have changed his priorities, thanks to his transformation from Ysengrin; he's more interested now in having Annie living with him than in destroying the Court. Reynardine moving back to the forest: I wonder whether Tom might be seriously considering it. As people have pointed out, he hasn't done much with Reynardine lately; he might have concluded that he can't find much to do with the character, so why not send him away from the Court, have him become an occasionally recurring figure once he's settled in Gilltie, and mean one less cast member to keep track of. |
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Post by Eve Swann on Sept 1, 2018 2:58:03 GMT
Not necessarily. Remember Loup is also part Coyote (in fact he seems to be more Coyote than Ys) and one of Coyote's main characteristics was loving humans. Maybe he wants to take a gentler touch because of this. If he gave in to Ys's anger again and just crushed the Court then the humans there would never want to interact with him the way he (Coyote) liked ever again. Not saying he wouldn't do it as a last resort but you do catch more flies with honey and all that. Yeah, but Loup has proven himself unstable, impatient, aggressive, not that bright, and too dramatic for his own good. If he got irritated enough, he absolutely would do something rash and destroy the Court. Of course, he would only realize the implications of his actions after everyone was dead because, again, Loup is not that bright. Do we really know all that though? We've seen so little of Loup it's hard to get a real handle on him are a person yet. And he's very, very young at this point. I definitely want to wait a bit longer before labeling him stuff like "not that bright". He could still surprise us all, just like Coyote used to. |
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Post by faiiry on Sept 1, 2018 4:43:08 GMT
Calling it now: Loup's response to Annie's question will be some variation on "Because I'll kill your friends if you don't, my dear."
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 1, 2018 14:21:29 GMT
Calling it now: Loup's response to Annie's question will be some variation on "Because I'll kill your friends if you don't, my dear." Most likely. He roars at her, back to square #1. Annie is upset and doesn't think it through. She doesn't control the "negotiations", and Loup is still too loopy to move onto anything better. |
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Post by fia on Sept 1, 2018 15:21:44 GMT
We've pointed it out with earlier strips in this chapter, but I suspect it is now clear: Loup doesn't know about the Tooth.
He has mentioned literally every other gift (the one to Renard, the one to Andrew and Parley, the gifts to Ysengrin earlier), but he has not mentioned his one and only gift to Annie.
If he wants all his other gifts and abilities back, why wouldn't he want the Tooth? We've already seen how powerful it is, cutting Shadow from the floor, while Renard's skill has been all but unusable, and Andrew and Parley wouldn't know how to begin thinking about using the bone or water.
So I think the tooth may not actually be a McGuffin, only relevant to the Shadow/Robot arc. Definitely will come back.
Probably Coyote had a whole plot ready to go ages ago, possibly a plot to trick himself all over again, even from beyond death. It might be that the goose bone actually contains a memory of the Tooth; or that the goose bone contains the purpose of the water, which might actually be itself the memory of the Tooth. (Who knows how many layers to this there are). Whatever the case may be, though, Annie has an ace up her sleeve, and possibly a way to defeat or thwart Loup, and by now, she has got to know it.
Remember, we've long thought the whole 'Renard's body is still around' thing was going to be completely forgotten, but here it is again. Tom plays a long game!
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Post by arf on Sept 2, 2018 7:50:23 GMT
We've pointed it out with earlier strips in this chapter, but I suspect it is now clear: Loup doesn't know about the Tooth. He has mentioned literally every other gift (the one to Renard, the one to Andrew and Parley, the gifts to Ysengrin earlier), but he has not mentioned his one and only gift to Annie. If he wants all his other gifts and abilities back, why wouldn't he want the Tooth? We've already seen how powerful it is, cutting Shadow from the floor, while Renard's skill has been all but unusable, and Andrew and Parley wouldn't know how to begin thinking about using the bone or water. So I think the tooth may not actually be a McGuffin, only relevant to the Shadow/Robot arc. Definitely will come back. Probably Coyote had a whole plot ready to go ages ago, possibly a plot to trick himself all over again, even from beyond death. It might be that the goose bone actually contains a memory of the Tooth; or that the goose bone contains the purpose of the water, which might actually be itself the memory of the Tooth. (Who knows how many layers to this there are). Whatever the case may be, though, Annie has an ace up her sleeve, and possibly a way to defeat or thwart Loup, and by now, she has got to know it. Remember, we've long thought the whole 'Renard's body is still around' thing was going to be completely forgotten, but here it is again. Tom plays a long game! Waiting for the tic tocs to come flying back onto the stage. |
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 3, 2018 4:47:35 GMT
Half expecting a juvenile "Cause I said so" to be the beginning of the next page.
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