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Post by madjack on Aug 22, 2018 7:04:35 GMT
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Post by Angry Individual on Aug 22, 2018 7:36:32 GMT
I have the greatest of feelings that it is not Ysengrin that is causing the "old bones" holding the system together to wither and blacken.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 22, 2018 7:40:54 GMT
Hm. I can imagine a series of etheric-type systems in Gillite that manage water, nutrients, and etheric flow, perhaps also migration, predator/prey interaction, counter-intrusion, attractive nuisance/hazard avoidance, and accessibility/exit barriers... The goals presumably would be information gathering and perhaps optimization of resources. But I do not see how systems like that being in disarray (at least in the conventional sense of the word) would make them stronger. Maybe "Loup" means that the component parts are in a productive sort of conflict that produces more desired outcomes the more active they are... or possibly that the regular natural cycles of creation/destruction in the Wood stimulate the ether to flow more and/or faster... like how a tree dies, falls over, rots, and new different plants grow where it shed shade before, or an animal dies and the decay increases insect activity which aids plant growth. Death keeps the world spinning/forest growing?
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Post by Angry Individual on Aug 22, 2018 8:06:15 GMT
I took it as he's the conduit for life being possible in the forest as it is.
After all, the forest itself is a mashup of only who knows what kind of mythical creatures as well as normal forest creatures. Could all of them really co-exist together without the help of a god? Especially some that wouldn't normally live in a forest like Gillite?
I think Coyote was the key to balance in his own chaotic way. Pulling strings, but never truly ordering them, only twisting and turning them so that they continued to exist while also going wild.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 22, 2018 8:37:41 GMT
I took it as he's the conduit for life being possible in the forest as it is. After all, the forest itself is a mashup of only who knows what kind of mythical creatures as well as normal forest creatures. Could all of them really co-exist together without the help of a god? Especially some that wouldn't normally live in a forest like Gillite? I think Coyote was the key to balance in his own chaotic way. Pulling strings, but never truly ordering them, only twisting and turning them so that they continued to exist while also going wild. Dunno if that's true or not since Gillite had some creatures in it before Coyote arrived but if so then it puts a new spin on Ch. 42. All of the stuff going wrong could have been influenced by Coyote and Andrew's ability to straighten things out resonating could actually have been detrimental. [edit] I suppose that it could also be the constructive chaos reaching an impasse that summoned Coyote to Gillite in the first place and he only embiggened "systems" that were already there. As in, the system was so chaotic that Coyote was the next logical step therefore Coyote. [/edit] |
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Post by mochakimono on Aug 22, 2018 10:52:56 GMT
Interesting little things I noticed in the artwork: No two patterns in the mosaic are alike, and as in the last page, Coyote's representation has empty eyes.
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Post by merry76 on Aug 22, 2018 12:51:23 GMT
I guess this is why there are Totems everywhere. Creatures are active. Until you halt them by storing their souls in those totem things. Big ones and small ones.
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 22, 2018 13:16:39 GMT
Order from chaos? Maybe, Coyote and Andrew had more in common than we thought. Pity they didn't have more scenes together. I guess this is why there are Totems everywhere. Creatures are active. Until you halt them by storing their souls in those totem things. Big ones and small ones. Exactly what I was thinking. Only saw two totems, but there could be many more. Then again, Loup could give Annie a tour of the Forest in complete disarray, and Ysengrin's Army running amok. |
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Post by liminal on Aug 22, 2018 13:17:48 GMT
Interesting little things I noticed in the artwork: No two patterns in the mosaic are alike, and as in the last page, Coyote's representation has empty eyes. Good eye! To your second observation, it's interesting that Coyote's representations have had empty eyes since this page. |
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Post by fia on Aug 22, 2018 13:59:14 GMT
I took it as he's the conduit for life being possible in the forest as it is. After all, the forest itself is a mashup of only who knows what kind of mythical creatures as well as normal forest creatures. Could all of them really co-exist together without the help of a god? Especially some that wouldn't normally live in a forest like Gillite? I think Coyote was the key to balance in his own chaotic way. Pulling strings, but never truly ordering them, only twisting and turning them so that they continued to exist while also going wild. That was my take, as well, more or less. Coyote being a God, not just a powerful being, must mean he is literally sustaining parts of the world, that he is a force that world depends on. What if Loup now is a powerful being, but no longer a God? Or is there a different problem? |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Aug 22, 2018 14:51:23 GMT
What has been the most "chaotic" thing we've ever seen happen in the forest? A party, started by our good friend, the always friendly and trustworthy Coyote.
The faeries had to go ask Antimony to kill them with a rock, while we KNOW there are dangerous creatures in the forest. And yet, even Hogwarts' Forbidden Forest feels more dangerous to me than Gillitie ever seemed to be.
What if, horror over horror, Loup removed some of the boundaries Coyote had been putting in place? Creatures now starting to attack and hurt each other? Without the possibility of having their souls harvested?
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Post by jda on Aug 22, 2018 15:12:16 GMT
Interesting little things I noticed in the artwork: No two patterns in the mosaic are alike, and as in the last page, Coyote's representation has empty eyes. Good eye! To your second observation, it's interesting that Coyote's representations have had empty eyes since this page.Arguably, I think you mean since this page. |
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Post by jda on Aug 22, 2018 15:13:21 GMT
Waaait, wait, wait. I´m getting confused.
Have someone ever draw a cronology/timeline for the GKC universe?
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Post by netherdan on Aug 22, 2018 16:54:59 GMT
Arguably, I think you mean since this page. No, no! In the page right before it Coyote had eyes, but when loup mentioned Coyote wanted to die (through an eclipse in his mouth) then in the page right after he doesn't have them anymore. It's possible that the choice to represent Coyote's death as an eclipse and the subsequent removal of the eye in his depictions are connected. It's like Loup is saying "from now on let's etherically assume that Coyote is dead, but I'll just leave this clever hint of temporary darkness here just in case" [/wildspec] Interesting little things I noticed in the artwork: No two patterns in the mosaic are alike, and as in the last page, Coyote's representation has empty eyes. Does same pattern with different colors count? Purple at middle left and light-brown at bottom right |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 22, 2018 18:04:27 GMT
"I'm sure if I took the barest second to think about the problem, I could fix it" has the same energy as "I could quit smoking today, I just don't feel like it right now."
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Post by basser on Aug 22, 2018 18:28:34 GMT
Guys what about this page? Is he taking something from the forest or giving it away? Maybe Loup needs some of this chaos energy to exist as a coyote/wolf superposition? Maybe he stole it for other reasons? Or gave some of it up? My other theory would be that the thing that's missing is Renard. Coyote spent a lot of time trying to get him back for reasons that aren't entirely clear, and I feel like there must be a good reason for Renard allowing Antimony to go in with just Jones for protection when he knows Jones has all the etheric influence of a literal rock.
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Post by aline on Aug 22, 2018 19:37:19 GMT
That was my take, as well, more or less. Coyote being a God, not just a powerful being, must mean he is literally sustaining parts of the world, that he is a force that world depends on. What if Loup now is a powerful being, but no longer a God? That's an interesting take. And we know when Renard was given powers by Coyote, that power wasn't working as well. It's very possible that Loup now has a weaker, imperfect version of all of Coyote's powers, because something important was lost in the fusion with Ysengrin. |
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Post by todd on Aug 23, 2018 1:41:34 GMT
If Loup is indeed capable of destroying the Court, it'll now be a pointless victory - the price that the Forest is apparently paying for the replacement of Coyote with Loup must be just as bad (if not worst) than anything the Court and its experiments could have done to it. The conflict between the two seems on the verge of an "everyone loses" outcome - though I suspect Annie will do something to repair that.
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Post by csj on Aug 23, 2018 4:19:11 GMT
Loup. Stops time. Tell your friends.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Aug 23, 2018 15:33:59 GMT
Loup. Stops time. Tell your friends. I just came to the same conclusion. He just doesn't want to be bothered, so he just "stopped all activity" in the forest. Literally. The creatures that escaped to the Court are not invading the Court, they're fleeing the Forest. |
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Post by csj on Aug 23, 2018 16:40:01 GMT
Loup. Stops time. Tell your friends. I just came to the same conclusion. He just doesn't want to be bothered, so he just "stopped all activity" in the forest. Literally. The creatures that escaped to the Court are not invading the Court, they're fleeing the Forest. You could also say that Loup's slipping... |
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Post by maxptc on Aug 23, 2018 23:19:04 GMT
This line of dialogue makes me think of Mr. Zorg from The 5th element giving that whole "chaos is awesome" speech, only it isn't going to be a cherry that chokes Loup.
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Post by todd on Aug 23, 2018 23:59:50 GMT
The creatures that escaped to the Court are not invading the Court, they're fleeing the Forest. I'd been speculating on that as well. (If Loup has indeed "frozen the forest-folk in time", as his remark suggests, those would be the fortunate (and quick) ones. |
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