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Post by philman on Aug 20, 2018 8:00:47 GMT
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Post by arf on Aug 20, 2018 8:17:35 GMT
Just as well Annie cut her hair or the ether would be a conflagration at this point.
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Post by madjack on Aug 20, 2018 8:24:35 GMT
So if chaos is so essential to the ether, why can Kat just see through it? Hmm.
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Post by faiiry on Aug 20, 2018 8:47:33 GMT
I don't trust Loup to tell the truth, except if, like Coyote, he can't lie. I especially don't trust him when he says it's nothing to worry about. Of course it is. Everything he says and does is something to worry about.
I also think this page helps us understand another dimension to the Court vs. forest dynamic, which I and others have been interpreting as religion vs. science or nature vs. industry. Page 2029 gives another layer to it: chaos vs. order. The Court is very rigid and structured and bureaucratic while the forest is wild and more undisciplined, as I think this page hints at.
Also the artwork in this chapter is freaking gorgeous. Just standout beautiful, as all pages that take place in the ether tend to be.
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Post by liminal on Aug 20, 2018 8:50:38 GMT
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Post by madjack on Aug 20, 2018 9:00:34 GMT
I don't trust Loup to tell the truth, except if, like Coyote, he can't lie. It wasn't said that he specifically can't lie, only that he doesn't. We don't know if it was a self-imposed challenge or something, so I don't know if it can/should be assumed Loup has any scruples when it comes to lying. I also think this page helps us understand another dimension to the Court vs. forest dynamic, which I and others have been interpreting as religion vs. science or nature vs. industry. Page 2029 gives another layer to it: chaos vs. order. The Court is very rigid and structured and bureaucratic while the forest is wild and more undisciplined, as I think this page hints at. I wouldn't be shocked to learn the Court and the Forest still want the same things, even after the split. They just can't agree on the way to go about getting them. Also the artwork in this chapter is freaking gorgeous. Just standout beautiful, as all pages that take place in the ether tend to be. This so much. Heh. |
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Post by stuff on Aug 20, 2018 9:29:51 GMT
I don't trust Loup to tell the truth, except if, like Coyote, he can't lie. I especially don't trust him when he says it's nothing to worry about. Of course it is. Everything he says and does is something to worry about. Considering that Loup went from threatening to "tear Annie's flesh" to immediately telling her that she would be safe with him - not to mention that he straight-up cut Ysengrin off when he was about to drop a bombshell - Loup's "truthfulness" is certainly in question. Though I doubt what he's been telling Annie about Coyote and Ysengrin is a lie.
What I'm getting more and more curious about is exactly what Loup is. We know at this point that Loup is on some level a distinct personality from Coyote and Ysengrin, but I'm curious to learn whether he's a third ego that was born from the fusion or a separate entity that somehow took control of the fused body. On one hand, Loup mentions in this page that Ysengrin's "foolishness" is a part of him, but on the other, I'm not quite sure we can trust him considering his evident disdain for Ysengrin (but then he gets upset when Annie implies that Ysengrin's love for her was manipulated, so idk). Ysengrin also specifically says that Loup "took control," and then there are those two giant Coyote and Ysengrin totems that Annie saw as she came into the forest. Might be a stretch, but I wonder if Loup is using those totems to keep Coyote and Ysengrin subdued, even if they're technically "inside" him right now. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Aug 20, 2018 9:59:51 GMT
I wonder what Loup's stance is on the Shadow men.
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Post by blazingstar on Aug 20, 2018 12:31:27 GMT
Among the other dichotomies presented as symbolic of the relationship between the Court and the Forest, now we officially have "order vs. chaos". Interesting.
"The second I took control, I realized Coyote brought more to the forest than the chaotic ether!" Could this be it? Are we finally about to learn the real reason Coyote moved to Gillitie wood?
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Post by todd on Aug 20, 2018 12:43:19 GMT
Note the mention that before Coyote arrived, the Court's presence was destroying the Forest. I wonder if this was linked to the out-of-control spread of the Court from the Bismuth Seed mentioned earlier.
Also, assuming what Loup said was true, Coyote's making the chasm might not have been such a bad thing after all. I'd wondered earlier whether the Annan Waters might have contributed to the troubles between the Court and the Wood by encouraging an "us vs. them" mentality through a visible border, and that Coyote wanted that when he made the chasm - the right level of conflict for him, enough to ensure hostility that he could exploit for his entertainment, but which could, at the same time, make it harder for both sides to engage in open war. Now it seems that it served as a way to isolate the Wood from the Court and thereby protect it.
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Post by Eve Swann on Aug 20, 2018 12:52:51 GMT
Note the mention that before Coyote arrived, the Court's presence was destroying the Forest. I wonder if this was linked to the out-of-control spread of the Court from the Bismuth Seed mentioned earlier.
So Coyote is a cosmic gardener?
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Post by ffkonoko on Aug 20, 2018 12:57:04 GMT
On one hand, Loup mentions in this page that Ysengrin's "foolishness" is a part of him, but on the other, I'm not quite sure we can trust him considering his evident disdain for Ysengrin (but then he gets upset when Annie implies that Ysengrin's love for her was manipulated, so idk). [/div][/quote] The disdain for Ysengrin is from Coyote, though. So that could really just be more evidence of him containing both of their traits and such. |
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 20, 2018 13:35:21 GMT
"Ysengrin is such a fool". I think Loup may have inherited some of Ysengrin's self-loathing.
Loup keeps using present tense verbs, when referring to Coyote and Ysengrin. I wonder why. If someone's sense of humor existed before them, they'd use present tense in describing their SOH. But would they us present tense, when referring to its pre-them name? Even if it has nothing to do with the story, I'm curious as to why Tom chose that.
Looking forward to finding out what else Coyote brought, besides style. I'm guessing it's not the Tic-Tocs.
Maybe, the ability to create, like with the Shadow Men? If the Forest denizens couldn't quickly create from scratch, they'd be at a disadvantage. The Court had the Seed Bismuth, The Forest had Coyote?
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 20, 2018 14:57:47 GMT
More and more I am getting the impression that Loup thinks he is a great trickster and manipulator, having inherited this property from Coyote. Just that he isn't. His lies and bluffs are blatantly obvious and his attitude will let any sane person doubt he is worth the effort talking to.
Loup's last sentence puts up another question, maybe small, maybe not: When exactly DID he take control? The second he was created? Or later? And what entails "taking control" exactly?
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Post by netherdan on Aug 20, 2018 20:17:53 GMT
Because She is the creator. She is our angel. She can see into the ether and from the chaos She brings order and understanding. She is the one who will explain the inner workings of the ether and in the process destroy it and replace it with science! And it will be worth it! |
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Post by fourleaftree on Aug 20, 2018 20:46:20 GMT
I just had a lightbulb moment and now I cannot stop thinking about it: the totems Coyote and Ysengrin left. Are they maybe supposed to be brought into the court and turned into humans? Is that Coyote's plan? To copy himself into GC? And Ysengrin too? Could he then battle Loup? I don't know how that would pan out. Or am I making a point made long ago? Or am I missing a step?
It makes sense that because he is in fact immortal, he left no carcass. Instead he is now this blended personality.
Loup does seem to work as the sort of fusion that happens in Steven Universe: a volatile creation with unpredictable exaggerations which can cause it to be more destructive than beneficial, especially if one of the two parts does not have faith in himself or has been made unstable. Ysengrin is now more trapped than anything. His love for Coyote seems to be warped into narcissism.
So much excitement! I am so curious!
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Post by liminal on Aug 20, 2018 22:14:39 GMT
Because She is the creator. She is our angel. She can see into the ether and from the chaos She brings order and understanding. She is the one who will explain the inner workings of the ether and in the process destroy it and replace it with science! And it will be worth it!  |
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Post by jda on Aug 20, 2018 23:18:43 GMT
Because She is the creator. She is our angel. She can see into the ether and from the chaos She brings order and understanding. She is the one who will explain the inner workings of the ether and in the process destroy it and replace it with science! And it will be worth it! It was worth it. |
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Post by fia on Aug 21, 2018 16:43:23 GMT
I wonder what else Coyote brought to the forest. I hope we get to know tomorrow, and that the cliffhanger later on isn't so harsh...!
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Post by netherdan on Aug 22, 2018 11:11:24 GMT
Because She is the creator. She is our angel. She can see into the ether and from the chaos She brings order and understanding. She is the one who will explain the inner workings of the ether and in the process destroy it and replace it with science! And it will be worth it! holy shit I didn't realise it was my 100th thanks I guess  |
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