[2026] Ysengrin... is that really you?

[gpvos]

Stop interfering, Loup!

[madjack]

Since when did Ys ever call her "child"?

[avurai]

For some reason, I feel like that explanation holds more water in terms of Ysengrin’s actual self-perception than it would be made to appear.

Aug 13, 2018 7:05:24 GMT madjack said:

Since when did Ys ever call her "child?"

That was indeed a pre-medium Reynardine thing.

[Angry Individual]

Yeah, that was clearly Loup.

Ysengrin is showing at the bottom, since that IS his ether form.

But... it could be another Loup trick. I don't like this.

[arf]

What has Ysengrin have to say?
(That the fix was in as soon as Coyote gave him his strength... plus a couple of other things?)

[theonethatgotaway]

Hehehe, Barfsengrin, CLASSIC!

[ST13R]

So I'm guessing markings can change somewhat over time, especially with big events like this. But it's still interesting that his forehead and chest markings are more angular than before...

[rafk]

I really don't quite get how Loup differs from the base Coyote personality at all.

For all intents and purposes it feels like this is a Coyote who used Ysengrim to loophole around promises and attack the Court now the defence in the Annan Water is gone.

[razgrizx]

I'm surprised this seemlingly worked as well as it did. I thought Loup would have a lot more trouble bringing out Ysengrin and would maybe break down momentarily or something

[todd]

Aug 13, 2018 9:48:09 GMT rafk said:

I really don't quite get how Loup differs from the base Coyote personality at all.

For all intents and purposes it feels like this is a Coyote who used Ysengrim to loophole around promises and attack the Court now the defence in the Annan Water is gone.

Except we know now that that wasn't Coyote's objective; Coyote's objective was to experience death. He was just using Ysengrin's anger at the humans and wish to attack the Court as a way of manipulating him into killing Coyote; what Ysengrin did afterwards wasn't Coyote's concern.

[ohthatone]

Barfsengrin. oh, Tom.

[ctso74]

Aug 13, 2018 12:00:37 GMT razgrizx said:

I'm surprised this seemlingly worked as well as it did. I thought Loup would have a lot more trouble bringing out Ysengrin and would maybe break down momentarily or something

Perhaps, it's easier when you're an Etheric god, but I would imagine it would be harder than sticking out your tongue. The again, maybe what's left of Ysengrin and Coyote are simple parts of Loup now, and from Loup's POV, it is a as simple as sticking out your tongue or leg.

I wonder if it would be as easy to bring Coyote out, or if the desire to experience "death" makes him less accessible.

[machiavelli33]

So. Then if this is all legit (and there's still plenty of reason to believe that it's yet not) - then indeed, Loup is a self-aware skinsuit. A *third living thing*, wearing Coyote and Ysengrin's living selves like a pair of belt buckles, or remoras.

It seems so wrong. So...out of the order of things.

I like and genuinely respect that Tom's conveyed this feeling to me, about a character that would otherwise be kinda goofy.

[kayback]

Still feeling a 'meh' about the storyline but that is some NICE artwork.

[spritznar]

Aug 13, 2018 12:41:42 GMT todd said:

Aug 13, 2018 9:48:09 GMT rafk said:

I really don't quite get how Loup differs from the base Coyote personality at all.

For all intents and purposes it feels like this is a Coyote who used Ysengrim to loophole around promises and attack the Court now the defence in the Annan Water is gone.

Except we know now that that wasn't Coyote's objective; Coyote's objective was to experience death. He was just using Ysengrin's anger at the humans and wish to attack the Court as a way of manipulating him into killing Coyote; what Ysengrin did afterwards wasn't Coyote's concern.

coyote's desire to experience death explains why he was ok with giving ys his power even though he expected ysengrin to kill him, that doesn't mean that was his only motive.

i feel like there must be more than one being willing to kill coyote, why ysengrin, why this death? coyote waited for a very specific time before choosing to die. ysengrin's anger at humans and desire to attack the court have been around for ages, so why did coyote wait until ysengrin developes an attachment to annie before choosing to give ys his powers and die? i think coyote wanting to experience death was the truth but not the whole truth

[zaferion]

Further proof that Loup is more akin to a teenage prankster than a trickster god. It feels like he's taken the best parts of Coyote and Ys and combined them into a whole that is somehow worse. Like, Ys's need for direct action has immensely dulled Coyote's trickster wit, and Coyote's possessiveness has twisted and distorted Ys's capacity for love and care. Loup would have never been able to orchestrate Ys unleashing his anger on Annie, and he would have never promised to protect her from Tony. He thinks the world of Coyote, but thinks Ys is flaming garbage. And neither Coyote or Ys would have been so easily cajoled into meeting Annie's demands.

I liked Loup at first, but he's beginning to lose my interest. I have faith in Tom because he's never really steered us wrong before, but I want Papa Ys and Crazy Uncle Coyote back.

[faiiry]

I like how this page kind of hearkens back to this one.

Aug 13, 2018 9:48:09 GMT rafk said:

I really don't quite get how Loup differs from the base Coyote personality at all.

For me, it's with his anger. When Annie suggested Ys didn't really love her, Loup was PO'd and genuinely furious in a way that Coyote has never (iirc) shown to be. 

[greggorievich]

I've not been around the forums in a little while, so forgive me if this has been discussed, but:

I really like Antimony's ninja suit, or whatever that's meant to be.

[Eve Swann]

Aug 13, 2018 19:36:06 GMT faiiry said:

I like how this page kind of hearkens back to this one.

Aug 13, 2018 9:48:09 GMT rafk said:

I really don't quite get how Loup differs from the base Coyote personality at all.

For me, it's with his anger. When Annie suggested Ys didn't really love her, Loup was PO'd and genuinely furious in a way that Coyote has never (iirc) shown to be. 

Agreed. Coyote always seemed in control of his emotions. Loup seems a lot more unstable, which would obviously be the part of him that's Ys coming out.

[ST13R]

Aug 14, 2018 1:21:05 GMT greggorievich said:

I've not been around the forums in a little while, so forgive me if this has been discussed, but:

I really like Antimony's ninja suit, or whatever that's meant to be.

It's because they're is in the ether (: . Anything that isn't connected to it will seem grey* , so her clothes are too. Maybe someday she can get a colourful outfit like Red's ;D

(*When Annie learns to use the blinkerstone, chapter 21, she mentions how grey the court is, but that she can see a lot of colour coming from the forest)

[jda]

I hereby declare this thread (should be) named : Baaaarfsengrin!

[pyradonis]

Aug 13, 2018 19:36:06 GMT faiiry said:

I like how this page kind of hearkens back to this one.

Indeed, let's hope she kept in mind the real Ysengrin.

Also: I am happy how Annie is angry at and not the least afraid of Loup. That guy is nothing more than a juvenile dog (of course, he does have mighty powers, but towards Annie he is all bark and no bite).

[todd]

I might have mentioned this before (or someone else might have pointed it out), but it makes sense that Loup is in such a mess. He's a merging of two very different figures: Coyote, a wily trickster who delights in jokes, and Ysengrin, who is extremely serious and straightforward. They're such opposites that the uniting of them in a single body is inevitably incompatible.

[greggorievich]

Aug 14, 2018 14:56:17 GMT ST13R said:

It's because they're is in the ether (: . Anything that isn't connected to it will seem grey* , so her clothes are too. Maybe someday she can get a colourful outfit like Red's ;D

(*When Annie learns to use the blinkerstone, chapter 21, she mentions how grey the court is, but that she can see a lot of colour coming from the forest)

Oh!

I feel so dumb, those were in colour as she was walking into the forest. I like it in forest drab as well. It just looks so... magnificently functional, made exactly to serve its purpose.

[rafk]

Aug 13, 2018 12:41:42 GMT todd said:

Except we know now that that wasn't Coyote's objective; Coyote's objective was to experience death.

Says Loup.

I don't buy it.

Even if Loup thinks it is true I doubt that was the whole agenda.