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Post by theonethatgotaway on Aug 8, 2018 7:02:07 GMT
Look at those ears...
Loup can keep on saying he's different and his own person... but I'd like to believe that that ONE ear is just Coyote still listening in to all the shenanigans...
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Post by madjack on Aug 8, 2018 7:04:16 GMT
With this page I think it's starting to become obvious what this entire story is actually about.
It's a child's view of growing up during what appears to them to be an ugly divorce, and the effects being a pawn in power plays between two parties can have on them.
Hence why it's really really important to reserve judgement until the very end: It needs and deserves to be told in full to be properly appreciated.
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Post by madjack on Aug 8, 2018 7:15:01 GMT
With this page I don't think it can be any more blindingly obvious what this entire story is actually about. It's a child's view of growing up to what appears to them to be an ugly divorce, and the effects being a pawn in power plays between two parties can have on them. So then would the forest represents the illusion of freedom from responsibility, while the court represents the constraints and expectations of society? No, the Court and the Forest symbolise the parents, or rather the differences between them. The river is the separation, with a bridge only people who can find common ground, or neutral parties, can cross. Read this scene as a wedding, and the one side suddenly having greater ability to get what they want (custody?). The breaking of the bridge symbolises the ability to reject the terms the other imposed. |
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Post by noone3 on Aug 8, 2018 7:18:33 GMT
Well Loupesenyote...
This is clearly harrasment and against Gillity Wood Inc. Code of Conduct.
Your implying glare is definitely off the charts.
I think you should see an HR manager for a serious talk.
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Post by avurai on Aug 8, 2018 7:22:11 GMT
The fact that the ‘handsome boy’ being offered has blue Loup-stripes and Coyote-ears really gives me the jeebies.
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Post by arf on Aug 8, 2018 7:23:28 GMT
To me, the truly creepy part of this conversation is the line "Something else?"
To her credit, Annie doesn't appear to be getting cowed by His Awesome Neitherness.
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 8, 2018 7:26:37 GMT
What baffles me is the lack of consistency. I don't see how his individual actions sum up to a higher goal. The first thing he did upon being born was chase down Annie and Smitty, destroy the bridge, and then lay waste to the Court. He then called for Annie and "confessed his love" for her. Now he claims that the only thing stopping him from destroying the Court is her loyalty.
Something doesn't add up here.
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Post by madjack on Aug 8, 2018 7:36:24 GMT
What baffles me is the lack of consistency. I don't see how his individual actions sum up to a higher goal. The first thing he did upon being born was chase down Annie and Smitty, destroy the bridge, and then lay waste to the Court. He then called for Annie and "confessed his love" for her. Now he claims that the only thing stopping him from destroying the Court is her loyalty. Something doesn't add up here. The only thing he could possibly want that is currently in play is Annie's fire, perhaps to keep it away from the Court. But he needs her consent to sign the.. "etheric contract" that will keep her there, Renard style? Either that or personal leverage over Tony for some reason? I can't think of anything else except keeping her fire out of Court hands. Or he's just completely nuts. |
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Post by arf on Aug 8, 2018 7:39:06 GMT
I also note that Annie's side strands are getting ever longer, and fiery.
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Post by philman on Aug 8, 2018 8:02:42 GMT
So then would the forest represents the illusion of freedom from responsibility, while the court represents the constraints and expectations of society? No, the Court and the Forest symbolise the parents, or rather the differences between them. The river is the separation, with a bridge only people who can find common ground, or neutral parties, can cross. Read this scene as a wedding, and the one side suddenly having greater ability to get what they want (custody?). The breaking of the bridge symbolises the ability to reject the terms the other imposed. I really like this theory. I don't necessarily believe it, but I'd really like to see it explored more. And as a whole, this Loup guy is severely unhinged. Coyote could beguile and manipulate Annie all over the shop. Loup is just crazy, and is offering only the very base versions of desires Annie could possibly want, with no thought or subtlety put into them. I hope this is going to become a learning moment for Annie about responsibility, and the dangers of unrestricted freedom of the forest |
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Post by bicarbonat on Aug 8, 2018 8:08:59 GMT
Huh. I find it a bit interesting that our Techno Angel isn't envisioned in Loup's little wheeling spiel, especially because practically everyone knows Kat is Annie's best friend.
And also a scary mishmash of technology & etheric alter-ego.
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Post by foresterr on Aug 8, 2018 8:29:14 GMT
especially because practically everyone knows Kat is Annie's best friend. Loup wouldn't. Kat never visited the Forest (all right, she briefly put a foot on the edge of it, that one time), and I don't think Coyote or Ys ever discussed her with Annie. Of course, that makes me think she eventually will, and it will be Significant. Hm. For me, this page actually defused most of the squicky feelings of the last few ones. It's just over the top. Loup of course is still crazy as they come, but I think his love for Annie is more akin to how a human could love a pet. I read the "handsome" figures of the last panel as just one more figurative treat that could be given. It's ridiculous, but I don't think either Coyote or Ysengrin ever had a good grasp at human psychology, and Loup is probably even worse. |
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Post by wlerin on Aug 8, 2018 8:37:25 GMT
What baffles me is the lack of consistency. I don't see how his individual actions sum up to a higher goal. The first thing he did upon being born was chase down Annie and Smitty, destroy the bridge, and then lay waste to the Court. He then called for Annie and "confessed his love" for her. Now he claims that the only thing stopping him from destroying the Court is her loyalty. Something doesn't add up here. Ysengrin was still in the process of cracking/dying and being replaced by Loup at that point, I think. We know how Coyote died, but it still hasn't been explained what "killed" Ysengrin. And as for Loup itself, I think "lack of consistency" is his primary defining characteristic. |
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Post by ditchboyus on Aug 8, 2018 8:43:19 GMT
especially because practically everyone knows Kat is Annie's best friend. Loup wouldn't. Kat never visited the Forest (all right, she briefly put a foot on the edge of it, that one time), and I don't think Coyote or Ys ever discussed her with Annie. Of course, that makes me think she eventually will, and it will be Significant. Hm. For me, this page actually defused most of the squicky feelings of the last few ones. It's just over the top. Loup of course is still crazy as they come, but I think his love for Annie is more akin to how a human could love a pet. I read the "handsome" figures of the last panel as just one more figurative treat that could be given. It's ridiculous, but I don't think either Coyote or Ysengrin ever had a good grasp at human psychology, and Loup is probably even worse. Annie has told Coyote about Kat, and he has asked why she has never brought this wonderful friend to visit him: |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 8, 2018 9:25:05 GMT
Coyote isn't nearly as ham-handed as "Loup." It's just over the top. Loup of course is still crazy as they come, but I think his love for Annie is more akin to how a human could love a pet. I read the "handsome" figures of the last panel as just one more figurative treat that could be given. "Loup" is starting to remind me of Diego, the way he's trying to interact with Antimony, except that he's all etheric power and no tech. |
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Post by shadow3 on Aug 8, 2018 9:53:08 GMT
LOUP: "Would you like a handsome boy to keep you company? A woman? Something else?" ANNIE: (Something else? Hmm...)  |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 8, 2018 10:11:08 GMT
Something about this page has got me distantly wondering if Loup has a bigger plan in mind. I've so far been operating on the assumption that he doesn't, taking everything he's saying at face value - all he wants is for Annie to stay with him. But here, I don't know. "What other reason need there be?" just sounds kinda sketchy to me, as if Loup is hinting that there are other reasons he doesn't want to discuss at the moment.
But look, at face value, Loup's offer sounds pretty sweet. Bring your friends, get a hot companion courtesy of Loup, AND Anthony goes to bad dad jail??? Sounds like an offer I couldn't refuse! (But of course Annie would truly be the one in prison. A gilded cage is still a cage.)
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Post by faiiry on Aug 8, 2018 10:17:31 GMT
Huh. I find it a bit interesting that our Techno Angel isn't envisioned in Loup's little wheeling spiel, especially because practically everyone knows Kat is Annie's best friend. And also a scary mishmash of technology & etheric alter-ego. Call me crazy, but I feel like Kat wouldn't fit in - or be welcome - in the forest like Parley and Andrew (both of whom were in the running to be the medium and have knowledge/experience about forest matters) would. First of all, she's never even been there; second of all, she's potentially a robot god whose machinations (hehe) would be in direct opposition to Loup's; and thirdly, even if she isn't a god, she's still way too machine-oriented for the comfort of a creature like Loup, I'd guess. Her interests and the interests of the forest probably don't mesh enough for Loup to outright welcome her or suggest she come live here. Then again, it's possible Loup doesn't know very much about Kat, and the only reason he didn't include her is because he knows Smitty and Parley better. |
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Post by todd on Aug 8, 2018 12:41:29 GMT
What baffles me is the lack of consistency. I don't see how his individual actions sum up to a higher goal. The first thing he did upon being born was chase down Annie and Smitty, destroy the bridge, and then lay waste to the Court. He then called for Annie and "confessed his love" for her. Now he claims that the only thing stopping him from destroying the Court is her loyalty. Something doesn't add up here. Most likely it's a sign that Loup is unstable. He's certainly switched tactics from threats to temptation (fortunately, Annie isn't falling for it), and by now seems more interested in just getting Annie than in carrying out the ideological quarrel the Forest has for the Court. I think he's degenerated into a state of unreason (maybe preserving enough to attempt to manipulate Annie, but clearly in a poor way - in particular, his lust-themed temptations at the bottom of the page seem far more creepy than alluring). |
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Post by todd on Aug 8, 2018 12:55:53 GMT
Post-script: I wonder if this is the side effect we've been looking for of the gift of Coyote's strength: an increasing breakdown of rationality and stability, descending into nonsense (reaching the point where his temptations are clearly crude and clumsy).
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Post by madjack on Aug 8, 2018 13:01:04 GMT
Loup of course is still crazy as they come, but I think his love for Annie is more akin to how a human could love a pet. I read the "handsome" figures of the last panel as just one more figurative treat that could be given. This makes sense: The role reversal of the animal being the one keeping the human would appeal to whats left of Ys considering how much he hated being seen as beneath humans. |
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2018 13:31:57 GMT
It'll be fine, Annie! We just need to sew these buttons into your eyes
Everything will be perfect, forever.
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 8, 2018 13:33:31 GMT
To me, the truly creepy part of this conversation is the line "Something else?" Made me wonder, what would happen if Annie channeled her inner Zimmy, to freak Loup out: Annie: "Like something with no legs or arms?!" Loup: "Wh... What?" Annie: "And it moves around with its eyes and tongue?!" Loup: "Um, I think maybe we should stop for a sec-" Annie: "You're right, it should have dozens of spider's legs." Loup: "Okay. I'm a newly-made, young etheric being. You know. I was to hasty to settle down, I think." From how Loup's acting, it seems he needs something from Annie. Either she brings something to the table he's lacking/needs, or he needs someone who knew his "former" selves, to help stabilize him. It's like he's to immature to be subtle about it. |
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Post by zaferion on Aug 8, 2018 13:35:17 GMT
So Loup is basically a Steven Universe-style fusion, got it
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2018 13:35:45 GMT
To me, the truly creepy part of this conversation is the line "Something else?" 'But it's my forest' Sounds like a job for Kat. |
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Post by zaferion on Aug 8, 2018 13:38:53 GMT
I don't think either Coyote or Ysengrin ever had a good grasp at human psychology, and Loup is probably even worse. Loup not understanding human psychology is pretty much confirmed with his suggestion that Annie would want to be rid of her father |
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Post by ohthatone on Aug 8, 2018 13:42:14 GMT
Loup reminds me more and more of a small child doing whatever he can to get what he wants. I agree that something doesn't add up with all this. he demands that Annie lives in the forest, but she can do whatever she wants, have her friends come with her and in return he won't destroy the Court. If his deal is so wonderful why does he have to threaten the Court to get her to agree? WHAT DOES HE WANT.
AND what would Loup do if Annie says she wants her to bring her father?
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Post by darlos9d on Aug 8, 2018 13:56:08 GMT
I think Loup is projecting tons of confidence that he doesn't actually have. He's composed of two beings that both individually tended to "front" a lot, Coyote with just being brainlessly confident and misleadingly jovial all the time, and Ys who already projected power and confidence despite tons of self doubt. Together, all those things are just amplified. So I suspect what we're seeing is Loup trying to convince Annie of how perfectly he has his act together and how powerful and commanding he is, when in fact he is absolutely LOSING HIS MIND internally because these two personalities don't really gel at a base level.
I'm reminded of a scene in Homestuck when two characters with wildly incompatible personalities get fused together into one being. It last all of a few seconds before they basically explode to death. Loup is lasting longer than that but I'm not sure if he's that much better off.
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2018 14:12:51 GMT
I'm reminded of a scene in H- No. Please. These are hallowed halls . We need not speak of such things .*pap* |
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Post by avurai on Aug 8, 2018 14:42:13 GMT
It'll be fine, Annie! We just need to sew these buttons into your eyesEverything will be perfect, forever. 10/10 would Coraline again |
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