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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 18, 2018 7:05:05 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jul 18, 2018 7:08:38 GMT
Loup as in Loup-Garou, The French Werewolf legend? Some cookies possibly in your near future, Nepycros... I'm pretty sure he's targeting Antimony for his rhetoric because she's incredibly vulnerable to the prospect that this is all because of her, that her existence is a focal point, a point of obsession that ruins lives. If the god of the forest is going to do what I think he wants to do, use the totems to create a human form to sneak behind enemy lines and wipe them out, masking it as an imitation of Renard's "I'm human now, love me Surma!" scheme would leave grave emotional wounds in Annie. Random information: The P is silent, so it's pronounced "lou". |
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Post by avurai on Jul 18, 2018 7:19:53 GMT
Knowing it’s pronounced Lew is very helpful.
First reading, it sounded like a pun about him being totally fruit-loops.
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Post by Eve Swann on Jul 18, 2018 7:21:29 GMT
I hope Tom intends for Loup to look super goofy here. Major art fail otherwise.
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Post by madjack on Jul 18, 2018 7:22:46 GMT
I hope Tom intends for Loup to look super goofy here. Major art fail otherwise. Not saying you are but I hope this chapter is one big dope slap to people who'd been complaining Tom's artwork has been degrading. |
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Post by shadowhunter on Jul 18, 2018 7:23:23 GMT
Around 5 pages ago, I thought nothing in this comic could surprise me as much as Jones getting spaced.
...I was wrong.
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Post by aline on Jul 18, 2018 7:33:51 GMT
OK, now I'm officially scared. Loup as in Loup-Garou, The French Werewolf legend? No, loup just means "wolf" in French. Except if you think in terms of mythological figures, if you read the word as a name with a capital L, like Renart or Coyote, then Loup is the bad wolf from the old tales. The one who waits in the woods to eat little girls. The Big Bad Wolf. |
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Post by madjack on Jul 18, 2018 7:35:18 GMT
Except if you think in terms of mythological figures, if you read the word as a name with a capital L, like Renart or Coyote, then Loup is the bad wolf from the old tales. The one who waits in the woods to eat little girls. The Big Bad Wolf. Yes, except the Loup-Garou IS that wolf. |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 18, 2018 7:37:33 GMT
.... Side-note: If Coyote was created by belief, and there are people in the americas who still tell stories about Coyote, does that mean that Coyote can never truly die? Or maybe there are multiple versions of the same gods/magical beings? A few thoughts on this... Technically (according to the most commonly accepted magical tech), all powers of this sort in the GC universe are "thought forms". Brought about by human thought, imagination, and will, many have been made to be so sophisticated that they have (according to the theory of thought forms) attained a separate existence of their own. From what I've read, belief in a prior state of a thought form does not lock the being into that prior state. For example, the Christian belief in the Christ Child does not prevent belief in the adult Christ, the crucified Christ, or the risen Christ. Note that the death of a thought form does not necessarily affect belief in it, nor does its death necessarily even mean that its believers regard it as dead per se (existence in a realm of the dead, for instance, or belief that the believer connects with the past living entity, or belief that the entity has power through relics). Think about relics for another second. There happen to exist, for instance, Church-certified relics of the Christ Child that would be possible only if the adult Christ was lacking certain important elements of his anatomy. This is not necessarily an issue if the Christ Child has come to be a different thought form from the adult Christ (which a good case could be made for). |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jul 18, 2018 7:39:46 GMT
Hmmmm, maybe, just maybe, this new WOLF Loup could be somehow outFOXed, just like in the original old Flemish/Dutch epos 'Van den vos Reynaerde'.
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Post by speedwell on Jul 18, 2018 7:41:35 GMT
I hope Tom intends for Loup to look super goofy here. Major art fail otherwise. Not saying you are but I hope this chapter is one big dope slap to people who'd been complaining Tom's artwork has been degrading. What did we expect a crazy combined aberration of two mostly contradictory powers to look like, the Sistine Chapel ceiling? Of course it looks goofy. Evil is not wise, it's dumb. It's not glorious, it's silly. It's not majestic, it's... degraded. If it was beautiful, we wouldn't be alarmed and upset by it. |
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Post by aline on Jul 18, 2018 7:41:59 GMT
Except if you think in terms of mythological figures, if you read the word as a name with a capital L, like Renart or Coyote, then Loup is the bad wolf from the old tales. The one who waits in the woods to eat little girls. The Big Bad Wolf. Yes, except the Loup-Garou IS that wolf. No. The Loup Garou is the werewolf. It's a human-wolf who transforms at the full moon, yada yada. Loup is 100 % a wolf 100 % of the time. Similar roots, but different stories. |
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Post by arf on Jul 18, 2018 7:44:28 GMT
Is this fellow "Loup", or "Loupé"? (or even "Loup de Loup"?)
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 18, 2018 7:52:09 GMT
Interesting. The creature says it is neither Coyote nor Ysengrin, but it's picked a name that is French and means 'wolf'.
Also, Annie's hair's getting longer. Sort of like how it used to take up pages back when she used to cruise the ether before she cut it, maybe?
Man those bloodshot eyes at the top of the page...yeesh.
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Post by madjack on Jul 18, 2018 7:53:54 GMT
No. The Loup Garou is the werewolf. It's a human-wolf who transforms at the full moon, yada yada. Loup is 100 % a wolf 100 % of the time. Similar roots, but different stories. Fair enough, I based that off the number of times I've seen the English stories conflated in both modern and older works, and assumed the French one was also used interchangeably. |
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Post by fjodorii on Jul 18, 2018 8:13:56 GMT
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Post by agasa on Jul 18, 2018 8:44:47 GMT
Aww, I liked Coywolf as a name. Though I guess the name makes since, Ysengrin is french and "Loup" is "wolf" in french. Side-note: If Coyote was created by belief, and there are people in the americas who still tell stories about Coyote, does that mean that Coyote can never truly die? Or maybe there are multiple versions of the same gods/magical beings? So very "American Gods", by Neil Gaiman. Did you hear of it? |
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Post by philman on Jul 18, 2018 9:28:42 GMT
Aww, I liked Coywolf as a name. Though I guess the name makes since, Ysengrin is french and "Loup" is "wolf" in french. Side-note: If Coyote was created by belief, and there are people in the americas who still tell stories about Coyote, does that mean that Coyote can never truly die? Or maybe there are multiple versions of the same gods/magical beings? So very "American Gods", by Neil Gaiman. Did you hear of it? Small Gods by Terry Pratchett explores a similar theme. One ancient god only has a single believer left, and so only has enough power to manifest as a very small tortoise. |
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Post by noone3 on Jul 18, 2018 10:01:49 GMT
I hope Tom intends for Loup to look super goofy here. Major art fail otherwise. It fits, since the trickster god just got outtrickstered*! Think like Pennywise the clown.  *Or did he, now. Huh? HUH?!? |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 18, 2018 10:16:33 GMT
Loup is cool, but I'm starting to realize there's a possibility that we never see Coyote or Ysengrin again because of this character, and I hope this isn't the case.
I can't agree with those who say Loup is silly. He's pretty freaking scary to me.
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Post by jda on Jul 18, 2018 11:42:09 GMT
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Post by gideonwells on Jul 18, 2018 11:55:05 GMT
Aww, I liked Coywolf as a name. Though I guess the name makes since, Ysengrin is french and "Loup" is "wolf" in french. Side-note: If Coyote was created by belief, and there are people in the americas who still tell stories about Coyote, does that mean that Coyote can never truly die? Or maybe there are multiple versions of the same gods/magical beings? It probably depends on which school of thought Tom is following (either by convergent thought process, direct inspiration, or indirect inspiration). Some versions use a system where if two groups begin believing in significantly different versions of the same being that the two can split off (think classic red headed Thor vs blond Marvel Thor). Or if a group of believers perform belief rituals sufficiently far from the main sphere of influence they don't increase the existing sphere, but create a new one that is initially identical but can diverge. However, Gunnerkrigg seems to use the belief creates one version that is/was probably an average of the beliefs about that being. If that's a case, there is probably a minimum level threshold of belief needed to create, but a far far lower one needed to maintain said being's existence. So if Coyote is dead then there may not be enough believers to create a new Coyote, who'd probably respawn in North America anyways without knowledge of the Court. That said, considering Coyote's past and his stories... would a new Coyote be created when it is perfectly in the believed nature of Coyote to be faking taken over by Ysengrin/Loup as an elaborate prank? Even if Coyote is dead and could be respawned by belief he might not end up respawned in the belief that this could just be a very long con of pretending to be dead. Again. |
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Post by todd on Jul 18, 2018 12:45:27 GMT
Or maybe there are multiple versions of the same gods/magical beings? The Coyote spin-off book does suggest that. (In it, Coyote starts off living in the American Southwest, but after hearing reports of etheric/mythical canids in other parts of the world, is fascinated and curious enough to decide to visit them. The animals of the Southwest are relieved at his departure - until he shows up, announcing that he can be out traveling the world and still be in the Southwest at the same time.) And now we have an official name for this new entity at last. (I like it better than the unofficial portmanteau names - in particular, its independence from both old names fits "neither" better than a blend of "Ysengrin" and "Coyote" - which would better fit "both".) |
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Post by fia on Jul 18, 2018 13:00:21 GMT
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Post by Trillium on Jul 18, 2018 13:16:24 GMT
Quite a transformation and he got his right ear back.
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Post by jda on Jul 18, 2018 13:40:10 GMT
Hmmmm, indeed. A very good catch, specially the last paragraph about Loopy De Loop vs Pepe Le Pew... |
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Post by ST13R on Jul 18, 2018 13:44:28 GMT
I really like the name (:
Also, his speach bubble suddenly has a red outline, I think we've only seen that with Coyote before?
And those trees are very.. dotty... or are they not trees?
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Post by netherdan on Jul 18, 2018 15:52:26 GMT
In which we get a canon name for Coyosengrim. Someone get this man a cookie PS: or half a cookie considering the spam alt text thing box |
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Post by Per on Jul 18, 2018 16:29:51 GMT
"And here is my second in command, Loup Tennant."
"'Sup."
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 18, 2018 16:34:11 GMT
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