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Post by madjack on Jul 9, 2018 7:03:20 GMT
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Post by faiiry on Jul 9, 2018 7:06:56 GMT
"Am I speaking to Coyote or Ysengrin?"
"Neither."
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Post by glyphomatrix on Jul 9, 2018 7:07:30 GMT
He is neither Coyote, nor Ysengrin....He is a FUSION, an EXPERIENCE!
Make sure he's a good experience.
now go beat the diamonds
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Post by brokshi on Jul 9, 2018 7:07:59 GMT
This is probably the most ominous chapter title Gunnerkrigg has had. Not even for the specific upcoming chapter, but for telling us the New Dog is neither Ysengrin or Coyote in any meaningful way.
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Post by speedwell on Jul 9, 2018 7:09:18 GMT
Except that the chapter image contains both.
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Post by brokshi on Jul 9, 2018 7:10:10 GMT
Except that the chapter image contains both. Nah, it's giving us context for what Neither means. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 9, 2018 7:13:12 GMT
I can't help but notice that Ys' gold is omitted from the canine rainbow.
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 9, 2018 7:41:47 GMT
Something old. Something new.
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Post by philman on Jul 9, 2018 7:47:36 GMT
The thumbnail image looks like another Coyote stories chapter.  |
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Post by Nepycros on Jul 9, 2018 7:52:22 GMT
Neither is a negation, and carries negative connotations. Tom could've used "Together," or "Combined," or some other title. While they would capture the mechanics of the fusion similarly, they wouldn't have nearly the impact.
This is "neither." It's not going to be like anything we've seen before, and whatever expectations we have will likely be squashed.
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Post by madjack on Jul 9, 2018 9:18:15 GMT
Perhaps Ysengrin will force Annie to choose between Forest and Court.
And she'll go neither, I'm a psychopomp now. Or maybe Muut will do it for her.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 9, 2018 11:01:05 GMT
In which we get a canon name for Coyosengrim.
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 9, 2018 11:57:32 GMT
YSENGRIN: "Hot Dog or Hamburger?"
ANTIMONY: "Neither. I choose Taco."
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Post by todd on Jul 9, 2018 12:46:23 GMT
An extra ominous thought: we've been discussing whether Ysengrin, after eating Coyote, is primarily Ysengrin or Coyote. But none of the characters have; from everything Annie and the rest have said about it, it appears they've been assuming that this is just Ysengrin with Coyote's powers, gone berserk. Which makes sense; the moments which have most prompted this discussion took place when none of the Court characters were present to witness them. But it suggests that Annie's been acting under the assumption that it'll be Ysengrin's mentality she's dealing with, that she has not anticipated the possibility that Coyote's mentality might be blended in with it, whether uppermost or - as seems more likely from this page - mixed in such a way to create an entirely new being, whom she may not be able to reach, the way she could with Ysengrin.
Maybe Annie's hopes for negotiation and diplomacy settling this quarrel (natural hopes for a medium) will be dashed, meaning that they'll have to find another way of saving the Court from this adversary (and there don't seem to be many options left). We might be in for a downbeat ending to the story.
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Post by zirka on Jul 9, 2018 12:48:57 GMT
Is this what it feels like to find modern art meaningful? Cause those are THE most meaningful (non-flag) vertical stripes I've ever seen.
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Post by netherdan on Jul 9, 2018 13:59:21 GMT
In which we get a canon name for Coyosengrim. That's why I've been calling it "Coywolf" (as in the species) instead of a mashup of their old names |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 9, 2018 14:59:30 GMT
Something old. Something new. ... Something borrowed, something blue? |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 9, 2018 16:00:03 GMT
He'll say his new name is Eglamore now, and blow all our minds!
Whatever his name is, that he may neither be Y or Coyote, could be troubling.
New deity dude: "You know, when I think of you Annie, I feel such fondness." *looks at her through new eyes* "How quaint..."
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Post by warrl on Jul 9, 2018 17:09:22 GMT
Something just occurred to me:
Coyote does not exist. His reality is fueled by people's belief. But people - aside from some subset of the people at Gunnerkrigg Court - don't know that Ysengrin ate him.
Therefore: he respawns.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 9, 2018 17:12:03 GMT
Something just occurred to me: Coyote does not exist. His reality is fueled by people's belief. But people - aside from some subset of the people at Gunnerkrigg Court - don't know that Ysengrin ate him. Therefore: he respawns. His reality is fueled by the beliefs people bring into the Ether when they die. It does not work instantaneously.
Edit: Originally I just logged in to give a like to this: He'll say his new name is Eglamore now, and blow all our minds! |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 9, 2018 17:18:08 GMT
I can't help but notice that Ys' gold is omitted from the canine rainbow. Interesting. I wonder if that is a design decision (limiting the color palette to make something more visually appealing), or actually has contextual meaning. |
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Post by fia on Jul 9, 2018 17:29:23 GMT
What do you think Annie has in her backpack, besides the gloves she removed?
I'm thinking definitely the tooth; she got it way back on page 686, the same chapter we are asked about the 'true Ysengrin', titled, "The Old Dog's Tricks". I suspect Tom (or Coyote) is continuing to play the long game. Maybe Annie has figured or will figure something out that we haven't.
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Post by Eversist on Jul 9, 2018 17:50:16 GMT
What do you think Annie has in her backpack, besides the gloves she removed? I'm thinking definitely the tooth; she got it way back on page 686, the same chapter we are asked about the 'true Ysengrin', titled, "The Old Dog's Tricks". I suspect Tom (or Coyote) is continuing to play the long game. Maybe Annie has figured or will figure something out that we haven't. People keep mentioning the tooth (previous threads), and at first I was like "hm... the tooth is too big for that backpack" but then I remembered just now that it shrinks down to a literal tooth, hah. It's probably a pretty safe bet that she brought that with her. Hmm... Do you think maybe she brought another Eggers beacon? Hah. |
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Post by intotheether on Jul 9, 2018 18:08:14 GMT
Is this what it feels like to find modern art meaningful? Cause those are THE most meaningful (non-flag) vertical stripes I've ever seen. Eh, I don’t know if I’d go that far. The only reason those stripes have such impact for you is because you have context for what they mean. Without thousands of pages of emotional investment and some ominous foreshadowing, they’d just be swathes if color to you. As to everyone speculating over the nature of Neither, I’m not saying you’re not likely right but I will remind you-Tom is a notorious troll when it comes to playing with expectations. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 9, 2018 18:22:40 GMT
I wonder if the lake goop and bones Coyote gave Parley and George will come into play this chapter.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 9, 2018 18:26:30 GMT
What do you think Annie has in her backpack, besides the gloves she removed? I'm thinking definitely the tooth; she got it way back on page 686, the same chapter we are asked about the 'true Ysengrin', titled, "The Old Dog's Tricks". I suspect Tom (or Coyote) is continuing to play the long game. Maybe Annie has figured or will figure something out that we haven't. Personally, I think the tooth will pop up later in the story, together with the "goose bone" and the "lake water", and then some interesting things will happen.Edit: Ninja'd. |
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Post by todd on Jul 10, 2018 0:20:49 GMT
Personally, I think the tooth will pop up later in the story, together with the "goose bone" and the "lake water",It would be inappropriate to bring a weapon (particularly a devastating weapon) to a peace talk - and Annie doesn't want to hurt Ysengrin or kill him. As for the Coyote artifacts in general, if they *are* used to revive Coyote, it would have to be done carefully (from a narrative perspective). The drawback with bringing Coyote back is that he helped cause all this trouble - deliberately. Restore him, and he'll no doubt be engaged in fresh scheming, making bigger problems with the Court. He might be able to deal with whatever Ysengrin's become, but there'd no doubt be a heavy price with it - and when the bill comes due, the people at the Court will probably be thinking "We were better off with Ysengrin". So deliberately returning Coyote to life would have to be a last resort - only if everything else had been tried and failed. Having the artifacts restore Coyote on their own, on the other hand, would look (unless Coyote's restoration was portrayed as the start of a new problem, rather than a solution to one) too "deus ex machina" - Coyote delivers the Court, without Annie or anyone else in the Court doing anything but watch. |
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Post by todd on Jul 10, 2018 0:29:15 GMT
It occurred to me that the final regular page of the last chapter foreshadowed the "Neither" title. As someone pointed out (I forget whom), the Voice from the Forest called Annie "Little Antimony", and neither Coyote nor Ysengrin have addressed her by that name before. A hint of what was to come?
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Post by Deepbluediver on Jul 10, 2018 3:49:14 GMT
When does the new chapter end? I want to make sure I'm not surprised by any cliffhangers.
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Post by faiiry on Jul 10, 2018 12:10:38 GMT
Tom is a notorious troll when it comes to playing with expectations. Dammit, you're making me imagine Annie walk into the forest, confront Coysengrin and simply say, "Hey, can you stop attacking us? It's annoying," and Coysengrin saying, "Oh, is it? I didn't know, terribly sorry," and that being it. Like The Breakout. |
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