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Post by fia on Jun 20, 2018 23:37:29 GMT
I cannot think of anything less suited to a GC theme song than Two Steps from Hell. If you want something that captures GC the closest in terms of audio and visual aesthetic, go look up the Hollow Knight OST. It's not quite the right tone, seeing as its a sort of post-apocalyptic lament instead of a desolate but functioning city or a vibrant and wild forest, but it's the closest I've seen a single work come to hitting GCs vibe. I hope you know the suggestion was knowingly tongue-in-cheek ! I just got out of seeing Deadpool 2 last night and am in a sort of silly mood.
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Post by todd on Jun 20, 2018 23:45:29 GMT
Man, where is Renard? he was absent the whole chapter despite being in the last one right up to the end, beside Annie the whole time, implying he was emotionally with her the whole way in contrast to the absence of her father. Now Tony is here and nothing but support (comparatively and in his own way, but still) and Renard is nowhere to be seen. It's kinda weird now that i think about it. Tom might simply not have had any plans for Renard in this chapter and so left him out. (Which was probably also why he wasn't involved in the Jeanne business, either.) Though he might either need to find a function for Renard soon or write him out, if this keeps up.
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Post by todd on Jun 21, 2018 0:11:51 GMT
I for one am surprised that Eglamore gave up so quickly/easily on a chance to fight with Tony. It must also be noted that Tony is wearing a shirt whose lapels are conducive to hoisting one into the air, and yet Eglamore has passed up this opportunity. Truly, is this even the same guy? (He probably avoided it because there were kids present and Annie proved she was going to the woods of her own free will. But still.) He might have grown up a bit in that moment and realized that continuing to fight Antony over what was ostensibly about Annie's plan to meet with Ysengrin but was really about a "high school love triangle" from a bit under twenty years ago was immature.
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Post by madjack on Jun 21, 2018 0:12:09 GMT
I hope you know the suggestion was knowingly tongue-in-cheek ! I just got out of seeing Deadpool 2 last night and am in a sort of silly mood. Heh.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 21, 2018 15:46:38 GMT
Man, where is Renard? he was absent the whole chapter despite being in the last one right up to the end, beside Annie the whole time, implying he was emotionally with her the whole way in contrast to the absence of her father. Now Tony is here and nothing but support (comparatively and in his own way, but still) and Renard is nowhere to be seen. It's kinda weird now that i think about it. Just like when they went to release Jeanne. Annie walks into danger and Renard is nowhere to be seen, we do not even know whether he knows about it. Even before Annie decided to go meet Ysengrin, where was Renard? I do not suppose he received an evacuation order and simply complied.
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Post by tc on Jun 28, 2018 8:05:48 GMT
or Tony as the tin man (needs a heart!) Are you kidding? Tony just faced down a highly-agitated, thoroughly-trained warrior in his physical prime who can call on etheric superpowers - and he did so with the express intent of telling him that even given all the resources and experience available to the Court (including Tony himself), he has more faith in his teenage daughter's abilities, character and temperament to begin resolving the crisis than he does theirs. He might have grown up a bit in that moment and realized that continuing to fight Antony over what was ostensibly about Annie's plan to meet with Ysengrin but was really about a "high school love triangle" from a bit under twenty years ago was immature. Plus I suspect that Eglamore knows that the Court would take a rather dim view of his risking the injury and incapacitation of one of their most prominent scientists in the middle of the most serious crisis they've faced in living memory.
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Post by saardvark on Jun 28, 2018 13:01:07 GMT
or Tony as the tin man (needs a heart!) Are you kidding? Tony just faced down a highly-agitated, thoroughly-trained warrior in his physical prime who can call on etheric superpowers - and he did so with the express intent of telling him that even given all the resources and experience available to the Court (including Tony himself), he has more faith in his teenage daughter's abilities, character and temperament to begin resolving the crisis than he does theirs. By heart, I meant ability to show and express emotion, which Tony has trouble with. I think you are taking heart to mean courage, which I agree, he is certainly showing here.
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 28, 2018 14:19:05 GMT
Are you kidding? Tony just faced down a highly-agitated, thoroughly-trained warrior in his physical prime who can call on etheric superpowers - and he did so with the express intent of telling him that even given all the resources and experience available to the Court (including Tony himself), he has more faith in his teenage daughter's abilities, character and temperament to begin resolving the crisis than he does theirs. By heart, I meant ability to show and express emotion, which Tony has trouble with. I think you are taking heart to mean courage, which I agree, he is certainly showing here. This is why I originally casted him as the Cowardly Lion, who originally ran away from all his problems but turned out to be the bravest of all (chopping off an arm, standing up to a god, working with the Shadow Men, ADMITTING HE WAS WRONG ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER, etc).
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Post by saardvark on Jun 28, 2018 23:02:38 GMT
By heart, I meant ability to show and express emotion, which Tony has trouble with. I think you are taking heart to mean courage, which I agree, he is certainly showing here. This is why I originally casted him as the Cowardly Lion, who originally ran away from all his problems but turned out to be the bravest of all (chopping off an arm, standing up to a god, working with the Shadow Men, ADMITTING HE WAS WRONG ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER, etc). So I suppose he is a "completed" Cowardly Lion who has successfully won/found his courage, but tho he shows some improvement in the heart area, he is a still an uncompleted Tin Man with more heart yet to grow (hopefully)...
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Post by tc on Jun 30, 2018 1:05:53 GMT
By heart, I meant ability to show and express emotion, which Tony has trouble with. I think you are taking heart to mean courage, which I agree, he is certainly showing here. With respect, I wasn't equating "heart" with courage - though I definitely consider facing Eglamore down in the first place to be a demonstration of the latter! The crux of what I was saying may have been masked by my attempt to humorously outline the various reasons why pissing Sir Jimmy off could be considered a bad idea (apologies if so), but if you'll allow me to try and clarify... I see "heart" as possessing the ability to care for and love others regardless of one's ability to express it. Whatever has driven Tony to suppress his emotional instincts and expression around others (with the exception of Surma), we've seen plenty of evidence that he does care deeply about those close to him; in other words I see him as having plenty of "heart", even if he can't show it. I should have added more weight to this : ...even given all the resources and experience available to the Court (including Tony himself), he has more faith in his teenage daughter's abilities, character and temperament to begin resolving the crisis than he does theirs. And if you'll forgive a cheeky self-cross-quote : Tom throws in some ninja-level subtext storytelling on p.2001 that I didn't pick up on at first. On that one page we learn several important things... : - That Tony has a much higher regard for Annie's capabilities and potential than we've seen him let on
- That Tony (unsurprisingly for a scientist) makes decisions and will change his mind based on evidence
- That the confrontation with Coyote seemed to shake Tony out of his funk and make more effort to learn about what his daughter has managed in his absence
- That Tony's consent to Annie's request is an informed decision as a result of what he's learned, and implicitly not a choice he made lightly
... [EDIT : OK, so this might not convince a jury - but back in "Katurday" we see Kat talking up Annie's contribution in front of Tony. We also see that Kat has told Tony about Shadow. As readers we know that it would be impossible to tell Shadow's story in such a way as to remove Annie's part in it, and it's reasonable to assume that it's not the first time Kat has been talking about Annie while working with Tony. The thought occurs that Tony was hearing a fair bit about his daughter as a person in ways that he couldn't get from reading her student and court files...] Tony has stated that he doesn't feel worthy of Annie's love, doesn't feel he has the right to be a part of her life, seems to be convinced that she hates him and has every right to feel that way. This goes a long way towards explaining his awkwardness around her in person (and the fact that he's wrong about all of it is both tragic and infuriating). At the same time he's not only been learning everything he can about Annie's achievements via Court records, but he's also put himself in a position to learn about what his daughter is like as a person by mentoring her best friend. My first point is that by any reasonable measure, these are not the actions of a man who is indifferent when it comes to his child. My second point is that if you read between the lines, Tony has just told Eglamore in no uncertain terms just how highly he thinks of Annie and how proud he is of her. I'd wager all that Tony loves Annie fiercely based on what we've been seeing.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 1, 2018 13:48:15 GMT
Tony has stated that he doesn't feel worthy of Annie's love, doesn't feel he has the right to be a part of her life, seems to be convinced that she hates him and has every right to feel that way. This goes a long way towards explaining his awkwardness around her in person (and the fact that he's wrong about all of it is both tragic and infuriating). At the same time he's not only been learning everything he can about Annie's achievements via Court records, but he's also put himself in a position to learn about what his daughter is like as a person by mentoring her best friend. Now if he would just finally start actually talking to Annie, he could learn all these things from herself!
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Post by bobismeisbob on Jan 14, 2021 4:55:52 GMT
Parley and Eglamore are going to "sector 7G". When the attack happened, Eglamore sent Parley to "E1". One has number first, letter second, the other one has letter first, number second. Which makes me think E1 is a codeword for a specific place, and not a sector designation. Also Sector 7G is where Homer Simpson works in the nuclear power plant.
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Post by bedinsis on Jan 14, 2021 6:38:06 GMT
Parley and Eglamore are going to "sector 7G". When the attack happened, Eglamore sent Parley to "E1". One has number first, letter second, the other one has letter first, number second. Which makes me think E1 is a codeword for a specific place, and not a sector designation. Also Sector 7G is where Homer Simpson works in the nuclear power plant. Astute observation, and one which the author intended.Welcome to the forums.
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