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Post by bedinsis on Jun 6, 2018 7:01:54 GMT
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Post by Angry Individual on Jun 6, 2018 7:02:27 GMT
They're practically exploding with emotions about the whole situation.
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Post by youwiththeface on Jun 6, 2018 7:04:48 GMT
Well, they don't seem to think this was Annie's fault.
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Post by speedwell on Jun 6, 2018 7:05:32 GMT
Asking for help from adults and the adults act like adults. Will wonders never cease.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jun 6, 2018 7:12:51 GMT
Huh, so there was no continuous "Jeanne watch" on the side of the forest, and also, Coyote was patient enough to wait for the PERFECT moment.
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 6, 2018 7:17:33 GMT
Between their reactions on this page and how Jones reacted when the subject of Jeanne was first brought up by Annie I get the distinct impression that no matter the justification, Jones wants to keep Jeanne as hidden information. |
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Post by madjack on Jun 6, 2018 7:19:11 GMT
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Post by fjodorii on Jun 6, 2018 7:25:17 GMT
Between their reactions on this page and how Jones reacted when the subject of Jeanne was first brought up by Annie the first time I get the distinct impression that no matter the justification, Jones wants to keep Jeanne as hidden information.
My feeling exactly. And Tony doesn't seem to see this as a reason to talk to the court officials either. a significant number of people try their best to fly under the court radar.
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Post by aline on Jun 6, 2018 7:29:53 GMT
Well, they don't seem to think this was Annie's fault. They think freeing Jeanne played a role, but was not the sole cause of this chain of events. They also think they have more important things to do than ground her right now. A correct assessment, I'd say. I'm very confused at everybody's insistent arguing about whether it is "Annie's fault" or "not Annie's fault" as if this was about finding a guilty party and exercising punishment. I just... why is it so important to you guys? Isn't it a lot more interesting to wonder about other things? What is going to happen in Annie's meeting with Ysengrin? Will their friendship survive tthis conflict? How will the Court react when / if they find out Annie went to the Forest? What exactly is Coyote's ultimate goal with these shenanigans? I mean, aside from the obvious entertainment value? Will Anthony finally be able to connect with his daughter, now that he has the chance to trust and help her? Will Kat free the robots from being treated like house appliances rather than the sentient beings with feelings that they are? All of those questions are more fun than the entire "Annie's fault / not Annie's fault" conversation. |
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Post by flowsthead on Jun 6, 2018 7:31:31 GMT
Does this feel like we're approaching the conclusion of Gunnerkrigg Court to anyone else? A lot of our main players are here interacting with each other and laying out many of the things that have been in the works since the beginning of the comic. We're obviously not at the end as there are still many things left to uncover like the Seed, the Omega thing, what the Court is using the ether for, etc. But it feels like we're in the last third of the story.
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Post by aline on Jun 6, 2018 7:41:01 GMT
Between their reactions on this page and how Jones reacted when the subject of Jeanne was first brought up by Annie the first time I get the distinct impression that no matter the justification, Jones wants to keep Jeanne as hidden information. My feeling exactly. And Tony doesn't seem to see this as a reason to talk to the court officials either. a significant number of people try their best to fly under the court radar.
I'd try to fly under the radar too, tbh. The Court is extremely nosy and controlling. Dystopian levels of nosy and controlling, in fact. Being paranoid about Gillitie Woods is understandable I guess. But the way they treat their own people? Tracking the position of students? Surveillance on their employees including in their private homes? Telling Anja her etheric computer wasn't interesting, then using her technology without her knowledge? Blackmailing a guy to go back to work for them by threatening his daughter, after obviously tracking him for years? |
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Post by fjodorii on Jun 6, 2018 8:05:02 GMT
Precisely, which is why I hope we'll get to know who truly runs the court soon. We might be having a bit of a rebellion brewing.
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jun 6, 2018 8:10:11 GMT
Team Stoic, squad up!
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Post by youwiththeface on Jun 6, 2018 9:16:48 GMT
Well, they don't seem to think this was Annie's fault. They think freeing Jeanne played a role, but was not the sole cause of this chain of events. They also think they have more important things to do than ground her right now. A correct assessment, I'd say. The exact thing that Jones says is: "That seems to imply the two events might be related, but not a direct cause." Emphasis mine. I don't want to be nitpicky, but that's pretty indefinitive. |
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Post by speedwell on Jun 6, 2018 11:22:37 GMT
Interestingly, Genius Tom impressively nailed the body language again. Annie's "down and to the right" glance literally means she's consulting her own inner feelings and reviewing what she knows as if she's asking and answering the question within herself, which is exactly what the dialogue implies. If you're familiar with NLP eye movements you'll know what I mean.
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Post by Corvo on Jun 6, 2018 11:46:10 GMT
If he's calmed down...
And is willing to talk to me...
And we're both able to understand each other...
Then yes. I am.
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Post by aline on Jun 6, 2018 12:33:15 GMT
They think freeing Jeanne played a role, but was not the sole cause of this chain of events. They also think they have more important things to do than ground her right now. A correct assessment, I'd say. The exact thing that Jones says is: "That seems to imply the two events might be related, but not a direct cause." Emphasis mine. I don't want to be nitpicky, but that's pretty indefinitive. Yes. So? How does it change anything I said? Of course she is not sure, she doesn't have all information yet. She is making a likely hypothesis, which she will check in due time, once she has gathered more facts. |
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Post by fia on Jun 6, 2018 12:39:32 GMT
I appreciate Jones and Tony being respectful of Annie's decisions, but goshdarnit, I would be A LOT more curious about a dead woman's ghost being immorally used as a deterrent against forest creatures attacking the Court..!
Even if only as gossip.
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Post by todd on Jun 6, 2018 12:49:12 GMT
I'd try to fly under the radar too, tbh. The Court is extremely nosy and controlling. Dystopian levels of nosy and controlling, in fact. Being paranoid about Gillitie Woods is understandable I guess. But the way they treat their own people? Tracking the position of students? Surveillance on their employees including in their private homes? Telling Anja her etheric computer wasn't interesting, then using her technology without her knowledge? Blackmailing a guy to go back to work for them by threatening his daughter, after obviously tracking him for years? Yes. It's possible that the "using her technology without her knowledge" wasn't the Court's doing; we don't know who was responsible for it yet. But so much else - I suppose they excuse it all with the argument that whatever work they're doing is so important that it justifies any moral and ethical "cutting corners". The best I can say about them is that, unlike several such seekers in other stories, they don't appear to have some corrupt plan to put whatever information they're striving for towards. I can't imagine the Court leadership harnessing the ether to achieve world domination, for example. I don't think they even have any plans to harness the ether for the "greater good of humanity". I think they just want to understand how it works from a theoretical point of view, to make it seem like real science instead of like magic, with no practical intentions for it. |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 6, 2018 13:01:16 GMT
I appreciate Jones and Tony being respectful of Annie's decisions, but goshdarnit, I would be A LOT more curious about a dead woman's ghost being immorally used as a deterrent against forest creatures attacking the Court..! Even if only as gossip. Unless they already know it. I can imagine Jones consulting Tony and convincing him to kindly ask the robots (i.e. hack into them) about the whole Jeanne situation and using spywares to monitor it |
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Post by manxy on Jun 6, 2018 13:12:12 GMT
Between their reactions on this page and how Jones reacted when the subject of Jeanne was first brought up by Annie I get the distinct impression that no matter the justification, Jones wants to keep Jeanne as hidden information. I totally forgot about this. Now that I'm thinking about it again, Jones was practically the instigator for what the kids ended up doing with Jeanne. Or at least this interaction *could* be interpreted that way, although it's very un-stone-like. |
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Post by todd on Jun 6, 2018 13:17:48 GMT
What exactly is Coyote's ultimate goal with these shenanigans? I mean, aside from the obvious entertainment value? One thing that occurred to me was that Coyote could just as easily have flattened the Court instead of making a chasm between it and the Wood that would make the Court more difficult for the inhabitants of the forest to attack (certainly, without the Annan Waters and that chasm through which they flow, the Jeanne plan wouldn't have worked as well). Which suggests (unless he's changed his mind about the place since then) that destroying it isn't his ultimate goal. |
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Post by netherdan on Jun 6, 2018 13:20:56 GMT
I suppose they excuse it all with the argument that whatever work they're doing is so important that it justifies any moral and ethical "cutting corners". That's the very argument the founders had for doing the Jeanne thing. And I think it can solve the "implication of necessary evil for the greater good" dilemma. I mean, just because some old pricks found it justifiable to do an evil thing "for a good cause" it doesn't mean that it was or that she should be kept that way. I said it before and I'll repeat: if they didn't have Jeanne keeping them thinking they didn't need better defenses (because the forest creatures "weren't attacking") then they'd have better defenses. The quarrel never ended and the Jeanne defense did more harm than good because now there's a bunch of angry etheric beings against a bunch of defenseless weak humans and the only thing between them is a gigantic static power hungry shield that'll eventually run out but until then it'll incapacitate the majority of the staff needed for the Court to function properly. So let's add "disorganized" to the human side |
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Post by darlos9d on Jun 6, 2018 13:44:40 GMT
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 6, 2018 14:36:48 GMT
What exactly is Coyote's ultimate goal with these shenanigans? I mean, aside from the obvious entertainment value? One thing that occurred to me was that Coyote could just as easily have flattened the Court instead of making a chasm between it and the Wood that would make the Court more difficult for the inhabitants of the forest to attack (certainly, without the Annan Waters and that chasm through which they flow, the Jeanne plan wouldn't have worked as well). Which suggests (unless he's changed his mind about the place since then) that destroying it isn't his ultimate goal. Something that keeps popping into my head is, the Arrow is still in play. Kat has it. She wouldn't use it on a person (or even a robot), but what if something else, filled with hate and vengeance, was attacking her friends. Assuming Kat could get the Arrow to work on Coysengrin, that might leave us with a powerful battle-experienced Forest-friendly guardian of the Annan Waters. Then, a less powerful Coyote comes out of hiding, and uses his old tooth to cut the earth around the Forest, surrounding it with the Annan Waters that he made in the first place. A lot of "ifs", but it would be a awesome long-term power play be Coyote. Pure Wild Spec, though. |
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Post by faiiry on Jun 6, 2018 15:22:43 GMT
This reaction is surprising to me. They're both like, "We didn't know about this, but okay, sure."
Also, Jones is WAY shorter than Tony. I'm shocked. I guess I assumed Tony was so much taller than Annie/Kat because he's an adult and they're kids, but it's actually either that Jones is tiny or Tony is a retired basketball player.
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Post by noone3 on Jun 6, 2018 15:36:19 GMT
Are they talking about Ysengrin? There is no Ysengrin... Only Zuul!  |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 6, 2018 16:38:18 GMT
I would have hoped for a greater reaction from those two, but they are probably just too practical? But I like that Tony seems to trust Annie's judgement.
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 6, 2018 17:16:24 GMT
If he's calmed down...
And is willing to talk to me...
And we're both able to understand each other...
Then yes. I am. That's a lot of "if"s. |
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 6, 2018 17:20:30 GMT
I almost laughed when Tony and Jones had the exact same reaction at the exact same time. I did not expect them to be so similar! This page, plus Tom's caption ("Tony and Jones are a real party when you get them together") makes me wonder if these two have worked together before... |
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