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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 8, 2018 12:43:18 GMT
All I could think after seeing this page was that we're now reading DBGK, and Ysengrin just learned the fusion-dance.
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 8, 2018 14:37:24 GMT
💖 ⭐ 💎 🎸 🎵 All I wanna do, is see you turn into, a giant God-wolf. A giiiant God-wolf! All I wanna be, is someone who gets to see, a giant God-wolf. Oh I know it'll be great, and I just can't wait, to see the Wolf that you are together. If you give it a chance, you could do a huge dance, because you are a giant God-wolf. You might even like being together, and if you don't, it may still be forever. But if it were me, I'd really wanna be, a giant God-wolf. A giiiant God-wolf! All I wanna do, is see you turn into, a giant God-wolf.🎵 Not sure if this belongs here, but I took this joke a bit too far.No complaints here. You saw an opportunity. And you took it. Well done!
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 8, 2018 14:40:21 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2018 14:55:10 GMT
My predictions for the next chapter: 1) Ysengrin will attack the Court, a means to an end in Coyote's plan; 2) Some major character will die; 3) Reynard will fight Ysengrin, fulfilling the Renart/Ysengrin parallel someone noted before; 4) In the course of the battle, Ysengrin will destroy Reynard's doll body, freeing his spirit. That's the whole reason Coyote is doing all this, to get his "friend" back; 5) To avoid death, Reynard will possess Ysengrin's body, thus having for a brief moment 3 spirits inhabiting the same body; 6) From this point, Coyote will use the excuse of Ysengrin's not being able to fight Reynard in that body's aether/mind AND suppress Coyote from taking over the body to emerge (thought I think he could've done it anytime if needed); 7) Coyote will regurgitate Ysengrin without any of the previously given powers, as a "punishment" (now we know he doesn't give a shit about Y and only care for R); 8) Ysengrin will be taken prisoner by the Court and Coyote will bring Reynard's spirit back to his original body, this time the gift of possession will be perfect, a sign of "kindness" from Coyote, although Reynard doesn't need it anymore and will likely reject it; 9) Reynard will convince Annie that that was all Coyote's plan to get him back to the forest and Ysengrin was just a pawn in the trickster's hands; 10) Annie's new concern: convince the Court not to kill Ysengrin, that his mind was shattered by Coyote's manipulation and that now that he have all the pieces of his mind back he's not a threat to the Court, all that while trying to reason with Ysengrin to not to be a threat to the Court, reminding him of the love and friendship they once had and that not all humans are evil. What do you guys think? wow, that is a really inventive, rich storyline... of course, it probably wont play out this way, but this is a very solid thread... good show!
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Post by OrzBrain on Mar 8, 2018 14:58:22 GMT
To those who said 'you are what you eat'... You are now cookies. Oh, thank god! I've been cookie dough for so long I thought I'd never be finished baking. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyBzX0wn9wo
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2018 15:13:29 GMT
Oh great, a coywolf. This is exactly what we all needed. Although now it's inevitable: there's going to be a war between the Forest and the Court. No getting around that now. Just a matter of whether the Coywolf will attack now or soon... I strongly disagree. Coyote never showed any interest in waging war. If he is influencing or even controlling Ysengrin now, war just has become less likely instead of more. I think you're right.... Im beginning to suspect that while becoming Ysote/Grinote the Coywolf allows him (Coyote) to break his previous promise not to mess with the court, since the Trickster is in charge here, the reason for wanting this freedom isn't to wage war (what Ys would do), but rather... 1) to get his ol' bud Rey back and/or 2) Wreck the Omega project both of those plans (which others have also suggested before) seem more Coyote's style rather than war, which is not really very funny, and would leave him without a nearby source of playthings for his amusement.
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Post by Eversist on Mar 8, 2018 16:42:36 GMT
Just been mulling this page and thread over since yesterday... Some great jokes, observations, and criticisms. I think this page is spot-on cheesy considering what we know about Coyote's personality and character design. I'm perfectly content to see where it goes. I also don't think it's outside the realm of possibility of him "shaking" or something, and popping into different designs; there's a lot of potential combinations here. Like someone else said previously in this thread, this may not be his final form. I think the design is intentionally ridiculous, hence the giant, cheesy 'FLASH' just before it. I don't think this is Coysen's final form yet. But even if it is, I think a few people are being a smidgen harsh (saw some not-so-nice comments on the actual page). Excited to see where this goes!
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2018 17:26:46 GMT
I think you've hit on something .... if that teardrop is like one of Coyote's eye markings (or his actual eyes), it could represent ownership just like those other symbols, in the sense that Coyote now *owns* Ys.... it is a flag that Coyote *has* taken over Ys' mind; Ys is possessed. Coyote now has all of his abilities, plus those of Ys, plus isn't "Coyote" anymore, and so isn't bound by any of Coyote's rules or agreements... I definitely agree with you that this isn't Coyote or Ysengrin anymore. As such He'll clearly need a unique name, and not a portmanteau of his parent's names. What do you think of the three I came up with ? Twain Dyad or Dyad Twain I guess I don't quite agree. I agree that this isn't Coyote or Ysengrin anymore, but think rather it is Coyote AND Ysengrin as a fusion (perhaps with Coyote dominant). As such, a portmanteau is exactly appropriate! (That said, if Im wrong and you are right, I think of your selections I like Twain the best. It hints at the famous author Twain, who was quite a teller of tales - like Coyote. Dyad Twain sounds too much like Mark Twain split in two, or Mark Twain's father, or something...)
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Post by faiiry on Mar 8, 2018 17:51:20 GMT
I honestly don't get what Coyote's plan is at this point. I assumed he gave Ysengrin his strength because Jeanne was gone and the opportunity had arisen to attack the Court. But how does allowing Ysengrin to eat him and merge with him help this plan? Couldn't Coyote just use his vast strength and attack the Court himself? Ysengrin isn't even needed for this plan. However, I have no doubt we'll find out what's going on soon enough (if only in part).
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Post by clover on Mar 8, 2018 18:35:58 GMT
The odds of Coyote not having engineered this is fairly low and the story has given us all the breadcrumbs we will need to piece together how what coyote has done actually works. But good luck interpreting his logic past that...
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2018 18:40:08 GMT
I honestly don't get what Coyote's plan is at this point. I assumed he gave Ysengrin his strength because Jeanne was gone and the opportunity had arisen to attack the Court. But how does allowing Ysengrin to eat him and merge with him help this plan? Couldn't Coyote just use his vast strength and attack the Court himself? Ysengrin isn't even needed for this plan. However, I have no doubt we'll find out what's going on soon enough (if only in part). One line of thinking is that Coyote couldn't attack the court directly because he promised not interfere with them, and as Jones says, "Coyote does not lie". He *could* potentially attack the court if he is not "Coyote" anymore... which he could certainly argue is the case now (even if he secretly controls the Ys-ote fusion now). However, others have argued that it is not really Coyote's style to attack the court, at least with a view to eliminate it - that is too blunt and obvious (and unfun!); Coyote is possibly after something more crafty (see e.g, pyradonis, or my post above).
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 8, 2018 20:59:35 GMT
I honestly don't get what Coyote's plan is at this point. I assumed he gave Ysengrin his strength because Jeanne was gone and the opportunity had arisen to attack the Court. But how does allowing Ysengrin to eat him and merge with him help this plan? Couldn't Coyote just use his vast strength and attack the Court himself? Ysengrin isn't even needed for this plan. However, I have no doubt we'll find out what's going on soon enough (if only in part). It seems to me that Coyote has two interests. First, he needs to be included in stories. Stories are the currency of the Gunnerverse and Coyote's existence is dubious, but if he exists in stories that circulate he "anchors" himself in reality and perpetuates himself. Second, Coyote wishes to avoid boredom. The pre-divide "squabble" was a good opportunity for Coyote to write himself into the story in a major way as the one who made the Annan divide and win fame and affection from the residents of what became the Wood, but over the long haul separating the two sides made the Wood too boring one way or another. Likely there wasn't enough conflict for interesting stories to be generated, or ones that he could take a major role in, despite visits from Court Mediums. But Coyote promised to leave the Court alone as long as they left the Wood alone so he couldn't directly mess with the Court without an excuse (like one that the Broken Man provided) or else lose credibility, which would cost him currency in the long run as people would be less willing to listen to him. And there was a wolf who admired Coyote's power and was easy to manipulate. So here we are.
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Post by Dvandaemon on Mar 9, 2018 8:14:47 GMT
I know coyote knew, but his lead-in dialogue suggests Ysengrin doesn't. So unless he did gain Coyote's awareness, he's probably about to dump some major power on the ravine.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 9, 2018 15:42:29 GMT
I honestly don't get what Coyote's plan is at this point. I assumed he gave Ysengrin his strength because Jeanne was gone and the opportunity had arisen to attack the Court. But how does allowing Ysengrin to eat him and merge with him help this plan? Couldn't Coyote just use his vast strength and attack the Court himself? Ysengrin isn't even needed for this plan. However, I have no doubt we'll find out what's going on soon enough (if only in part). It seems to me that Coyote has two interests. First, he needs to be included in stories. Stories are the currency of the Gunnerverse and Coyote's existence is dubious, but if he exists in stories that circulate he "anchors" himself in reality and perpetuates himself. Second, Coyote wishes to avoid boredom. The pre-divide "squabble" was a good opportunity for Coyote to write himself into the story in a major way as the one who made the Annan divide and win fame and affection from the residents of what became the Wood, but over the long haul separating the two sides made the Wood too boring one way or another. Likely there wasn't enough conflict for interesting stories to be generated, or ones that he could take a major role in, despite visits from Court Mediums. But Coyote promised to leave the Court alone as long as they left the Wood alone so he couldn't directly mess with the Court without an excuse (like one that the Broken Man provided) or else lose credibility, which would cost him currency in the long run as people would be less willing to listen to him. And there was a wolf who admired Coyote's power and was easy to manipulate. So here we are. Good thinking. I'm a bit unsure, however. No Coyote stories told in the comic (that I remember) deal with him interacting with humans. The forest is full of intelligent creatures to fool just as well.
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Post by Per on Mar 9, 2018 18:02:29 GMT
Strands of the discussion remind me of Marvel's Mister Sinister, who was supposedly designed to look like an in-universe boy's over-the-top idea of a big scary villain. (This is undercut somewhat by the fact that in the late 80s and early 90s you'd think all characters were being designed that way.)
Not that I entirely get the reaction to the coywolf, I don't feel I know enough about what type of character mashup we're dealing with to declare the representation to be off-model.
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Post by fia on Mar 11, 2018 18:20:05 GMT
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Post by netherdan on Mar 11, 2018 21:22:03 GMT
It seems to me that Coyote has two interests. First, he needs to be included in stories. Stories are the currency of the Gunnerverse and Coyote's existence is dubious, but if he exists in stories that circulate he "anchors" himself in reality and perpetuates himself. This whole thing about stories affecting the comic universe reminded me in how Kat's appearance in the ether is changing to reflect the stories Robot is preaching about her. She's turning literally into a technological God capable of visualising oversimplified versions of ethereal places/beings and she even shooed away the librarian in the RotD. As sentient beings, these robots seems to be capable of influencing the ether the same way Coyote thinks humans do
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Post by gpvos on Mar 11, 2018 21:32:57 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 14, 2018 14:10:53 GMT
Is he now aware of the tooth Annie has? This depend on how many of Coyote's memories he receives (or was allowed to). But also, if there was a good reason why Annie should have never mention the Tooth, this looks like it.
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