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Post by Zox Tomana on Feb 28, 2018 8:01:20 GMT
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Post by Gulby on Feb 28, 2018 8:03:49 GMT
That's frightening. I really hope Ysengrin isn't lost forever.
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Post by arf on Feb 28, 2018 8:22:19 GMT
The tree is growing out of Ysengrin like the Flood.
Also, it doesn't look like these two are headed back toward the bridge.
Possibilities:
- Ys is quite sane and controlled, but is using the moment to retrieve some memories. After this he'll say "That's all I wanted *this* for" and tear off Coyote's strength.
- after a while, Ys is going to remember he's Coyote as well.
- this is going to take up the rest of Volume 7.
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Post by novia on Feb 28, 2018 8:25:27 GMT
Coyote has been torturing and manipulating Ys for decades. I doubt Coyote is actually dead, but if Ys did kill him, it would be justified. I think that Ys knew Coyote was messing with him, but managed to keep that information hidden until he finally had the opportunity to get his revenge.
That is why Ys has always been so over the top loyal to Coyote. He's been biding his time, waiting. He's not stupid. If he had attacked Coyote before, he wouldn't have stood a chance.
Also, all those balls of light are his memories being returned to him. IMO, Ys is less likely to attack Antimony when he has full access to everything.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Feb 28, 2018 8:33:08 GMT
One of the tricky things about coyote, is that it's often impossible to tell if one of his plans is going horribly wrong, or if it's going horribly right.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Feb 28, 2018 8:38:22 GMT
The tree is growing out of Ysengrin like the Flood. Also, it doesn't look like these two are headed back toward the bridge. Possibilities: - Ys is quite sane and controlled, but is using the moment to retrieve some memories. After this he'll say "That's all I wanted *this* for" and tear off Coyote's strength. - after a while, Ys is going to remember he's Coyote as well. - this is going to take up the rest of Volume 7. We don't really know where the bridge is in relationship to this spot, I don't think. Also: if your 2nd possibility happens I swear to God I'm going to have to find a way to stand in front of Tom himself and give him a double facepalm for the sheer audacity of his trolling. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2018 11:09:34 GMT
Also, it doesn't look like these two are headed back toward the bridge. I dunno... seems a curious echo of this scene, where they are leaving the forest at high speed again, in somewhat more amusing circumstances... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1179 ... looks kinda similar maybe? Its getting lighter in the distance at the edge of the forest by the Annan waters... |
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Post by jasmijn on Feb 28, 2018 11:09:37 GMT
One of the tricky things about coyote, is that it's often impossible to tell if one of his plans is going horribly wrong, or if it's going horribly right. Yuuuup. I keep thinking like "was this coyotes plan all along?". I mean it's no coincidence he did the Thing with both Annie and Eyebrows present, right? |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2018 11:13:27 GMT
One of the tricky things about coyote, is that it's often impossible to tell if one of his plans is going horribly wrong, or if it's going horribly right. Yuuuup. I keep thinking like "was this coyotes plan all along?". I mean it's no coincidence he did the Thing with both Annie and Eyebrows present, right? yeah, and so whichever way they are running, it will be in a lucky direction for them! |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 28, 2018 11:40:44 GMT
I take issue with the idea that Ysengrin was "never angry like this." If Eggers hadn't showed up in The Great Secret, what does Annie THINK would've happened to her?? Ysengrin would have backed off and said "Gotcha", or what??
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Post by youwiththeface on Feb 28, 2018 11:57:27 GMT
I take issue with the idea that Ysengrin was "never angry like this." If Eggers hadn't showed up in The Great Secret, what does Annie THINK would've happened to her?? Ysengrin would have backed off and said "Gotcha", or what?? It wouldn't have been completely unexpected for a creature of the forest that just got done telling her why he hated humans to attack one. It's a little more unexpected for said creature to attack and seemingly kill another creature of the forest he has always venerated and claimed to love. |
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Post by aline on Feb 28, 2018 12:00:13 GMT
Sooooo, running away it is. Let's hope Ysengrin decides to go hunt some rabbits instead of attacking the Court :-(
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Post by csj on Feb 28, 2018 12:13:52 GMT
Yuuuup. I keep thinking like "was this coyotes plan all along?". I mean it's no coincidence he did the Thing with both Annie and Eyebrows present, right? I'm doubtful. We know Coyote makes mistakes, like his creation of the shadow people. I think his plans were simply to empower Ys and take advantage of the situation in the Waters and have gone horribly right. I suspect that his Gift has either magnified his rage (allowing it to overwhelm his thoughts of loyalty) or revealed some hint of Coytoe's stolen memories. Either way, the result is the same. The question now is; will he be overwhelmed by remorsefulness now that he's being bombarded with knowledge of all his past mistakes. As for the Mediums being present, I see that as both a formality and also a means of posturing to the Court. "Be nice, or I throw mr empowered tree wolf here at you". Also, it doesn't look like these two are headed back toward the bridge. I dunno... seems a curious echo of this scene, where they are leaving the forest at high speed again, in somewhat more amusing circumstances... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1179 ... looks kinda similar maybe? Its getting lighter in the distance at the edge of the forest by the Annan waters... No reason to think they'd run any other direction, save by accident. I'm more surprised they haven't activated another one of egger's beacons. |
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Post by jda on Feb 28, 2018 12:14:59 GMT
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Post by csj on Feb 28, 2018 12:18:49 GMT
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Post by phyzome on Feb 28, 2018 13:21:46 GMT
"I've seen him angry before, but never like this" -- wasn't that what she said *last* time, too? :-)
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Post by manxy on Feb 28, 2018 13:53:14 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 28, 2018 14:29:51 GMT
I take issue with the idea that Ysengrin was "never angry like this." If Eggers hadn't showed up in The Great Secret, what does Annie THINK would've happened to her?? Ysengrin would have backed off and said "Gotcha", or what?? I'm also surprised by that statement. Maybe it's because back then Ysengrin at least took a few moments to build up rage, while this time he just snapped without any warning? |
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Post by blazingstar on Feb 28, 2018 14:33:36 GMT
I thought she was going to fight Smitty on this one and stand her ground, but nope, haha! Looks like we're getting the heck outta dodge!
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Post by faiiry on Feb 28, 2018 15:18:51 GMT
I am surprised Annie hasn't yet taken out her stick and broken it. You'd think she would have learned from last time. Then again, maybe she is less interested in interacting with Eggers after learning what he thinks of her dad. But on the other hand, in this situation, I think you'd want any help you could get.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2018 15:35:48 GMT
I am surprised Annie hasn't yet taken out her stick and broken it. You'd think she would have learned from last time. Then again, maybe she is less interested in interacting with Eggers after learning what he thinks of her dad. But on the other hand, in this situation, I think you'd want any help you could get. Hmm, well, Ys hasn't directly threatened her or Smitts yet... Annie seems to like to take it real close to the edge; last time she gave Ys every benefit of the doubt, hoping he'd come to his senses, and waited until just 5 sec from jaws-clamp-time until she broke the beacon-stick .... |
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Post by red0mamma on Feb 28, 2018 16:10:02 GMT
I am surprised Annie hasn't yet taken out her stick and broken it. You'd think she would have learned from last time. Then again, maybe she is less interested in interacting with Eggers after learning what he thinks of her dad. But on the other hand, in this situation, I think you'd want any help you could get. Actually, it shows Annie has her wits about her (or is lucky in her state of panic). Eggs may not be much of a match for superpowered Ysengrin, and an attack on him could easily sway his rage to all nearby humans. I wonder who the wolf god is going to be after he gets his memories back? I doubt he is the rage-filled creature devouring Coyote nor the "Wolf Dad" we've become attached to (that easily may have been a lobotomized version of him). I have a feeling the true Ysengrin may end up being more complicated for good and bad—just like wild predators often are. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 28, 2018 16:19:55 GMT
I am surprised Annie hasn't yet taken out her stick and broken it. You'd think she would have learned from last time. Then again, maybe she is less interested in interacting with Eggers after learning what he thinks of her dad. But on the other hand, in this situation, I think you'd want any help you could get. Actually, it shows Annie has her wits about her (or is lucky in her state of panic). well, she is with Lucky Smitts, after all! |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 28, 2018 16:21:03 GMT
I am surprised Annie hasn't yet taken out her stick and broken it. You'd think she would have learned from last time. Then again, maybe she is less interested in interacting with Eggers after learning what he thinks of her dad. But on the other hand, in this situation, I think you'd want any help you could get. Actually, it shows Annie has her wits about her (or is lucky in her state of panic). Eggs may not be much of a match for superpowered Ysengrin, and an attack on him could easily sway his rage to all nearby humans. I wonder who the wolf god is going to be after he gets his memories back? I doubt he is the rage-filled creature devouring Coyote nor the "Wolf Dad" we've become attached to (that easily may have been a lobotomized version of him). I have a feeling the true Ysengrin may end up being more complicated for good and bad—just like wild predators often are. In The Great Secret, Eglamore didn't try to attack Ysengrin. He simply rescued Annie and flew away. |
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Post by red0mamma on Feb 28, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
Actually, it shows Annie has her wits about her (or is lucky in her state of panic). well, she is with Lucky Smitts, after all! True! I wonder why they aren't teleporting? |
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Post by feraldog on Feb 28, 2018 21:40:36 GMT
Actually, it shows Annie has her wits about her (or is lucky in her state of panic). Eggs may not be much of a match for superpowered Ysengrin, and an attack on him could easily sway his rage to all nearby humans. I wonder who the wolf god is going to be after he gets his memories back? I doubt he is the rage-filled creature devouring Coyote nor the "Wolf Dad" we've become attached to (that easily may have been a lobotomized version of him). I have a feeling the true Ysengrin may end up being more complicated for good and bad—just like wild predators often are. In The Great Secret, Eglamore didn't try to attack Ysengrin. He simply rescued Annie and flew away. And that was a close call. Ysengrin probably would have caught them if Annie hadn't used the blinker stone. |
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Post by arf on Feb 28, 2018 21:41:36 GMT
The tree is growing out of Ysengrin like the Flood. Also, it doesn't look like these two are headed back toward the bridge. Possibilities: - Ys is quite sane and controlled, but is using the moment to retrieve some memories. After this he'll say "That's all I wanted *this* for" and tear off Coyote's strength. - after a while, Ys is going to remember he's Coyote as well. - this is going to take up the rest of Volume 7. We don't really know where the bridge is in relationship to this spot, I don't think. Also: if your 2nd possibility happens I swear to God I'm going to have to find a way to stand in front of Tom himself and give him a double facepalm for the sheer audacity of his trolling. I meant the vista ahead appears hilly. If they were heading for the bridge, I would expect them to be headed down into a valley. Of course, the Court could be over the hills, and they were brought here courtesy of Ys' treeporting services. Niggle point. Another possibility: what happened on all those other occasions Ys asked for Coyote's strength? Was his wish granted, and those frames of memories being swiped was the final step in Coyote resetting yet another fine mess? Perhaps Coyote is waiting for Ys to figure out that his strength is not what he wants. Sure, he could have just told him the first time, but would the lesson have stuck? Besides, where's the fun in that? (No, I don't think Coyote's really dead. That wink he tipped Annie before this started...) |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 28, 2018 21:42:11 GMT
Actually, it shows Annie has her wits about her (or is lucky in her state of panic). Eggs may not be much of a match for superpowered Ysengrin, and an attack on him could easily sway his rage to all nearby humans. I wonder who the wolf god is going to be after he gets his memories back? I doubt he is the rage-filled creature devouring Coyote nor the "Wolf Dad" we've become attached to (that easily may have been a lobotomized version of him). I have a feeling the true Ysengrin may end up being more complicated for good and bad—just like wild predators often are. In The Great Secret, Eglamore didn't try to attack Ysengrin. He simply rescued Annie and flew away. True, Eglamore only attacked Forest denizens if they were actually attacking on Court territory. |
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Post by phantaskippy on Mar 1, 2018 13:40:30 GMT
Smitty doesn't call Parley, he just knows when she's going to appear, right?
I'm not sure Coyote's plans go right or wrong. He seems like he just sets things off and saunter through the chaos.
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 1, 2018 16:49:21 GMT
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