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Post by Angry Individual on Feb 9, 2018 8:02:25 GMT
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Post by Nepycros on Feb 9, 2018 8:06:25 GMT
It really does seem as if Coyote is trying to test the limits of Ysengrin's wrath. If he can restrain himself, great. If not, Annie will bear witness to Coyote's most horrific trait: his wanton manipulation of the minds of his subjects.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Feb 9, 2018 8:12:54 GMT
So, Coyote's got leeeegs. But does he knoooow how to use them?
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Post by calpal on Feb 9, 2018 8:24:38 GMT
That's not an appropriate use of the wink emoji, Coyote.
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Post by maxptc on Feb 9, 2018 8:29:51 GMT
So its for sure Coyote has a scary long term plan, or am I alone in finding this to be one of the most worrisome pages yet?
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Post by philman on Feb 9, 2018 8:38:20 GMT
Is Coyote's wink to let Annie know that he knows about Jeanne being gone? Or just to say "see what happens"
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Post by maxptc on Feb 9, 2018 9:07:55 GMT
Is Coyote's wink to let Annie know that he knows about Jeanne being gone? Or just to say "see what happens" Why not both? |
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Post by aline on Feb 9, 2018 9:20:15 GMT
It really does seem as if Coyote is trying to test the limits of Ysengrin's wrath. I think the test is as much for Annie as it is for Ysengrin. Maybe even more... Annie made Ysengrin her friend. Annie released Jeanne. Annie is the forest's Medium, the one who stands in between to negotiate. And Annie knows how Ysengrin feels about humans, and that he doesn't always control his anger. I think if this game had a name, it would be "How will Annie deal with this?" |
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Post by madjack on Feb 9, 2018 10:37:38 GMT
It really does seem as if Coyote is trying to test the limits of Ysengrin's wrath. I think the test is as much for Annie as it is for Ysengrin. Maybe even more... Annie made Ysengrin her friend. Annie released Jeanne. Annie is the forest's Medium, the one who stands in between to negotiate. And Annie knows how Ysengrin feels about humans, and that he doesn't always control his anger. I think if this game had a name, it would be "How will Annie deal with this?" That.. makes a lot of sense, having Annie as the one restraining an empowered Ysengrin + Jeanne being gone would give Annie a lot of pull when it came to dealing with the court, and could be a reason to have her (and kat) brought into the courts plans more fully. These events make even more sense if Coyote is following someone else's script. I'm getting a (probably overblown) hunch that the real architect of these events was Surma, via Muut. She really hated something about the court, and getting her daughter into the kind of position to perhaps begin proper reconciliation between the two warring sides would need that kind of leverage. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 9, 2018 11:23:46 GMT
Nothing good ever started with a wink!
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Post by aline on Feb 9, 2018 11:50:09 GMT
These events make even more sense if Coyote is following someone else's script. I'm getting a (probably overblown) hunch that the real architect of these events was Surma, via Muut. She really hated something about the court, and getting her daughter into the kind of position to perhaps begin proper reconciliation between the two warring sides would need that kind of leverage. No, that I don't believe. I doubt Coyote would follow anybody's script but his own. And I don't think Surma had the ability and information necessary to plan all this that far in advance. I think Coyote just likes taking the opportunity to mess with people and watch them react. |
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Post by madjack on Feb 9, 2018 12:00:55 GMT
These events make even more sense if Coyote is following someone else's script. I'm getting a (probably overblown) hunch that the real architect of these events was Surma, via Muut. She really hated something about the court, and getting her daughter into the kind of position to perhaps begin proper reconciliation between the two warring sides would need that kind of leverage. No, that I don't believe. I doubt Coyote would follow anybody's script but his own. And I don't think Surma had the ability and information necessary to plan all this that far in advance. I think Coyote just likes taking the opportunity to mess with people and watch them react. He's definitely enjoying the messing around, but I can see Coyote trying someone else's ideas just to see where they lead. And specifics, no, but I could also see Surma subtly training Annie to fill the the role of either medium for a purpose. I probably should take this to wildspec though I guess. |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 9, 2018 12:14:24 GMT
Anyone remember when Coyote " pushed down one of their little buildings?" Ysengrin can do that now, too. Not the greatest idea in the world. I'm 99.9% sure the timing of this has to do with Jeanne not being the guard anymore. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 9, 2018 12:31:04 GMT
I think the test is as much for Annie as it is for Ysengrin. Maybe even more... Annie made Ysengrin her friend. Annie released Jeanne. Annie is the forest's Medium, the one who stands in between to negotiate. And Annie knows how Ysengrin feels about humans, and that he doesn't always control his anger. I think if this game had a name, it would be "How will Annie deal with this?" That.. makes a lot of sense, having Annie as the one restraining an empowered Ysengrin + Jeanne being gone would give Annie a lot of pull when it came to dealing with the court, and could be a reason to have her (and kat) brought into the courts plans more fully. These events make even more sense if Coyote is following someone else's script. I'm getting a (probably overblown) hunch that the real architect of these events was Surma, via Muut. She really hated something about the court, and getting her daughter into the kind of position to perhaps begin proper reconciliation between the two warring sides would need that kind of leverage. That's a cool idea, but I doubt any mortal would be able to manipulate Coyote for longer than the fraction of a second. |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 9, 2018 12:49:38 GMT
He's definitely enjoying the messing around, but I can see Coyote trying someone else's ideas just to see where they lead. And specifics, no, but I could also see Surma subtly training Annie to fill the the role of either medium for a purpose. I probably should take this to wildspec though I guess. Personally I don't think Surma's training of Annie was subtle. She introduced Annie to every deity and personification of death that exists under the sun, and even asked her daughter to do their dirty work. Surma may have done what she did simply because her prior career was as the medium, and that was (presumably) all that she knew. In the same way that, if I have a career as a baker, my kids might learn a little more about baking than other kids. If there is a reason that Surma hated the court so much that she posthumously sent her only daughter to become an unwitting mole, we haven't seen it yet in the comic. To be honest, though, with respect to Annie, Surma's motivations and actions make little sense to me. Surma didn't want her daughter born in the court, so clearly she has some distaste towards it. Yet, " It was her wish that I continue my education" in the court. Huh? Another thing: GKC and Good Hope are apparently pretty similar - and from what we have seen in the hospital, it's just as dingy, lonely and "sterile" as the court appears to be. So why did Surma have distaste for one, and not the other? Maybe it's just a plot hole - but maybe, like has been said, there was some reason why Surma hated the court specifically and wanted revenge against them. |
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Post by crater on Feb 9, 2018 13:29:46 GMT
"strength" is more than just physical strength. Coyote's strength from its own perspective might be something totally absurd; like underwater knitting.
Ontop of that, strength is usually synonymous with control.
Ontop of that, my Japanese children picture books have an underlying theme that pure strength and pure intentions are impossible to manipulate.
Ontop of that, ANNIE / Rey might be the unwitting / witting master manipulator here, not Coyote
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Post by saardvark on Feb 9, 2018 13:38:01 GMT
Not the greatest idea in the world. I'm 99.9% sure the timing of this has to do with Jeanne not being the guard anymore. Yes, and I think Annie suspects this as well... hence her question "why are you doing this now?" Annie's freeing of Jeanne may now have additional major consequences beyond her being bound to the Pomps.... |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 9, 2018 13:44:42 GMT
Coyote's major gifts often come with a hidden catch: Rey's possession ability kills the host on leaving, Ys forest power leaves his physical body withered and weak. I wonder what hidden catch to Coyote-strength will do to Ys...
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Post by saardvark on Feb 9, 2018 13:54:03 GMT
"strength" is more than just physical strength. Coyote's strength from its own perspective might be something totally absurd; like underwater knitting. Ontop of that, strength is usually synonymous with control. Ontop of that, my Japanese children picture books have an underlying theme that pure strength and pure intentions are impossible to manipulate. Ontop of that, ANNIE / Rey might be the unwitting / witting master manipulator here, not Coyote Indeed, an absurd "strength" would be a typical Coyote joke... But Ys is already an example of strength without control: he already has been given the strength of Gillette wood and yet has some major anger issues... |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 9, 2018 14:11:14 GMT
Coyote's major gifts often come with a hidden catch: Rey's possession ability kills the host on leaving, Ys forest power leaves his physical body withered and weak. I wonder what hidden catch to Coyote-strength will do to Ys... This is the thought, that's been rolling around in my head for days now. Plus a question, does Coyote control what the hidden catch is, or is it purely random for Coyote's surprise and amusement? |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 9, 2018 14:51:49 GMT
Not the greatest idea in the world. I'm 99.9% sure the timing of this has to do with Jeanne not being the guard anymore. Yes, and I think Annie suspects this as well... hence her question "why are you doing this now?" Annie's freeing of Jeanne may now have additional major consequences beyond her being bound to the Pomps.... Agreed. Annie is a smart cookie. She seems to know her demonic friends well enough to know when there's something up. |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 9, 2018 15:06:23 GMT
I think that Coyote has a grand master plan of some sort. Don't ask me what it is - I've been doing so much studying in the last few days and my brain is absolutely fried and I just don't have the cells to be thinking up grand theories. However, I have just enough brain cells remaining to suspect that something is going on. My evidence is tenuous. Many years ago: Renard falls for Surma. We still don't know exactly why he loved her, or whether Coyote had a hand (paw?) in the development of said love. We do know that according to Coyote, Renard asked for the power to take bodies, in order to woo Surma. From the way Coyote tells the story, it sounds like Renard did everything he did of his own accord, without Coyote's involvement. But Renard's recollection of the event is significantly different. In his memories, we see that he is very reluctant to use his newfound power of possession, but Coyote blatantly eggs him on. It seems like Coyote wants him to use his ability for evil. Is this just because Coyote is a trickster who likes to screw with people, and you can't believe any word that comes out of his mouth? Or is Coyote's habit of power-giving all part of a vast forest-wing conspiracy? Only time will tell. I honestly don't know if anything I am saying is making sense. It is Friday. I have no brains left for use. |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Feb 9, 2018 16:44:34 GMT
So, Coyote's got leeeegs. But does he knoooow how to use them? Coyote's major gifts often come with a hidden catch: Rey's possession ability kills the host on leaving, Ys forest power leaves his physical body withered and weak. I wonder what hidden catch to Coyote-strength will do to Ys... one's insightful! I guess we'll just have to wait and SEE.Is this just because Coyote is a trickster who likes to screw with people, and you can't believe any word that comes out of his mouth? Or is Coyote's habit of power-giving all part of a vast forest-wing conspiracy? Only time will tell.  That's not an appropriate use of the wink emoji, Coyote. I could use the 🍆 emoji if you think it would fit the scenario better *smirk* "Coyote... why are you doing this now?" It's just my Valentine's Day gift to My most favoriteist wolf !!! 💖 💖 💖 Yssy-Ys is just so cuuuuuute when he looks all flustered like this. |
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Post by blazingstar on Feb 9, 2018 19:53:20 GMT
Coyote's major gifts often come with a hidden catch: Rey's possession ability kills the host on leaving, Ys forest power leaves his physical body withered and weak. I wonder what hidden catch to Coyote-strength will do to Ys... This is the thought, that's been rolling around in my head for days now. Plus a question, does Coyote control what the hidden catch is, or is it purely random for Coyote's surprise and amusement? Coyote's strengths are the types of superpowers that require secondary powers to control. He knows what the hidden catch is, but he usually doesn't tell anyone, because it's funnier that way. The only gift that didn't come with a catch was his tooth, which worked exactly as advertised (the keenest blade you will ever find! be careful with it, because it could cut the very earth!)...he just knew the foolish humans probably wouldn't believe him. |
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Post by novia on Feb 9, 2018 20:07:12 GMT
Nothing good ever started with a wink! I beg to differ |
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Post by fia on Feb 9, 2018 20:54:15 GMT
Don't forget to do warm-up stretches before vigorous hijinks, everyone!  |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 9, 2018 21:23:38 GMT
Not the greatest idea in the world. I'm 99.9% sure the timing of this has to do with Jeanne not being the guard anymore. Yes, and I think Annie suspects this as well... hence her question "why are you doing this now?" Annie's freeing of Jeanne may now have additional major consequences beyond her being bound to the Pomps.... [one brief Ysengrin rampage later--] "Aren't you glad we hired you when we did, Annie? We knew our business was about to pick up!" Or:
"How foolish--you bargained away your freedom for the life of this boy, and now he's dead anyway. Humans tend to do that, you know. Oh well, go ahead and take him into the ether now." |
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Post by ST13R on Feb 9, 2018 21:34:36 GMT
I must say, Coyote looks absolutely adorkable (and so terribly innocent) in panel one  |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Feb 9, 2018 21:39:44 GMT
I must say, Coyote looks absolutely adorkable (and so terribly innocent) in panel one I do have my cute moments! :3 |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 9, 2018 22:50:00 GMT
Don't forget to do warm-up stretches before vigorous hijinks, everyone! I wonder, though, if there is any significance to Coyote's glowing a lovely shade of etheric arrow green while doing his stilt-leg stretches.... |
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