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Post by arf on Jan 26, 2018 8:08:43 GMT
Your strength.Your strength. Your strength. Your strength. ... this went on for some time.
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Post by turion on Jan 26, 2018 8:12:29 GMT
"But remember, with great power comes great responsibility! Hiarhiarhiarharhar!"
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Post by turion on Jan 26, 2018 8:13:52 GMT
But seriously, I think I don't understand this page completely. Did Coyote remove the memory of Ysengrin wanting his strength? Or did he insert it? Or did he remove something else entirely?
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Post by madjack on Jan 26, 2018 8:18:55 GMT
Think its remove memory > ask question again.
He's getting more despicable by the panel...
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Post by philman on Jan 26, 2018 8:30:23 GMT
This is long in the past, before Ysengrin got that great wooden body too. So I assume Coyote eventually did give him his strength, or some version of it anyway, with the new body. Do we know when Ysengrin got the body? Or just sometime between Surma leaving and Annie arriving.
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Post by pasko on Jan 26, 2018 8:40:27 GMT
The longer it goes, the more fcked up it gets.
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Post by aline on Jan 26, 2018 8:51:46 GMT
This is long in the past, before Ysengrin got that great wooden body too. So I assume Coyote eventually did give him his strength, or some version of it anyway, with the new body. Do we know when Ysengrin got the body? Or just sometime between Surma leaving and Annie arriving. We don't know anymore than that it happened sometime after the Court and the Forest stopped talking. And they probably stopped talking after the entire Renard debacle, before Surma left (Coyote thought at first Annie would be Eglamore's daughter, he didn't know Surma had married Tony). Given the state of Ysengrin's body beneath the wood, I'd say it's not recent, at least several years before Annie saw him "naked" for the first time. If I had to guess, I'd say not long after Renard was made prisoner. It makes sense for Coyote to "play" with Ysengrin after his other toy, Renard, was taken away. In the Fangs of Summertime, Jones also said about Ysengrin "He is drawing closer to the brink of insanity." Suggesting Coyote might have been playing with Ysengrin's mind for a long time before that. |
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Post by philman on Jan 26, 2018 10:16:59 GMT
This is long in the past, before Ysengrin got that great wooden body too. So I assume Coyote eventually did give him his strength, or some version of it anyway, with the new body. Do we know when Ysengrin got the body? Or just sometime between Surma leaving and Annie arriving. We don't know anymore than that it happened sometime after the Court and the Forest stopped talking. And they probably stopped talking after the entire Renard debacle, before Surma left (Coyote thought at first Annie would be Eglamore's daughter, he didn't know Surma had married Tony). Given the state of Ysengrin's body beneath the wood, I'd say it's not recent, at least several years before Annie saw him "naked" for the first time. If I had to guess, I'd say not long after Renard was made prisoner. It makes sense for Coyote to "play" with Ysengrin after his other toy, Renard, was taken away. In the Fangs of Summertime, Jones also said about Ysengrin "He is drawing closer to the brink of insanity." Suggesting Coyote might have been playing with Ysengrin's mind for a long time before that. Well we can see from this page that Coyote has been playing with Ysengrin's mind long before the wooden body. I wonder if this chapter is going to be like The Stone where we keep going backwards in time and see the development of Coyote and Ysengrin's (and maybe Renard's) relationship. |
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Post by kayback on Jan 26, 2018 10:55:18 GMT
Is Coyote not subtly chaning how the exchange went down? Changing a "what can I GIVE you" to a "what would you TAKE"?
I don't know why he would be playing such word games but it is the trickster after all. Maybe chaning how Ysengrin sees himself?
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jan 26, 2018 11:05:14 GMT
I think he's trying to manipulate Ysengrin's mind until he aks for Coyote's control of the forest instead of Coyote's strength.
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Post by Bontage on Jan 26, 2018 11:44:19 GMT
The longer it goes, the more fcked up it gets. This process is known as "living". |
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Post by Sauzels on Jan 26, 2018 12:58:29 GMT
Coyote's just rerolling until Ysengrin says "your gardening" so he can have the ideal speedrun.
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Post by jda on Jan 26, 2018 15:11:34 GMT
BEGIN
Question = "Which of my powers would you want?"
WHILE imNotBored
{
ASK Subject Question
GET Answer
IF Answer IS "The ability to take bodies"
{
GIVE Subject Power
EXIT
}
ELSE
{
REMOVE Subject Memory
STORE Memory IN Self
}
}
DO whateverIWant
INITIATE Party
END
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Post by sleepcircle on Jan 26, 2018 15:59:10 GMT
The longer it goes, the more fcked up it gets. This process is known as "living". that is a very frivolous generalization which is entirely incorrect. |
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Post by Trillium on Jan 26, 2018 18:13:24 GMT
Working with a crazy and capricious god comes with a lot of hazards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 18:16:51 GMT
BEGIN Question = "Which of my powers would you want?" WHILE imNotBored { ASK Subject Question GET Answer IF Answer IS "The ability to take bodies" { GIVE Subject Power EXIT } ELSE { REMOVE Subject Memory STORE Memory IN Self } } DO whateverIWant INITIATE Party END Whatever programming language Coyote's mind might use, I find it completely convincing that it would haphazardly mix C and Pascal syntax. |
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Post by jda on Jan 26, 2018 18:20:53 GMT
BEGIN Question = "Which of my powers would you want?" WHILE imNotBored { ASK Subject Question GET Answer IF Answer IS "The ability to take bodies" { GIVE Subject Power EXIT } ELSE { REMOVE Subject Memory STORE Memory IN Self } } DO whateverIWant INITIATE Party END Whatever programming language Coyote's mind might use, I find it completely convincing that it would haphazardly mix C and Pascal syntax. C is for Coyote! Pascal... is for Coyote too! |
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Post by netherdan on Jan 28, 2018 3:51:49 GMT
I believe Coyote asked the same question over and over and wasn't pleased to hear that he wanted Coyote's strength (which implies being able to match or even defeat him if needed) then ate away the memory of that answer. Over the years Ysengrim became an adult, got stronger, then got older and weaker.
Then at some point when he saw his time was ending he changed his answer and instead of asking for strength he must have said "I just want to be able to keep serving you". This made Coyote happy, and then he gave him that immortal tree body while still being an old and frail wolf on the inside (literally)
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Post by faiiry on Jan 28, 2018 6:12:21 GMT
My personal interpretation of this page is that Coyote saves these memories and asks the same question over and over simply because he's stroking his own ego. He's removing and storing dozens of memories of Ysengrin telling him how awesome his strength is. That seems like a very vain thing to do, not necessarily a purely sinister one.
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Post by novia on Jan 29, 2018 3:07:32 GMT
Coyote's just rerolling until Ysengrin says "your gardening" so he can have the ideal speedrun.  |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 29, 2018 3:08:19 GMT
My personal interpretation of this page is that Coyote saves these memories and asks the same question over and over simply because he's stroking his own ego. He's removing and storing dozens of memories of Ysengrin telling him how awesome his strength is. That seems like a very vain thing to do, not necessarily a purely sinister one. He probably tried the same thing with having Ysengrin tell him Coyote stories. |
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Post by novia on Jan 29, 2018 3:10:05 GMT
Coyote's just rerolling until Ysengrin says "your gardening" so he can have the ideal speedrun.   |
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Post by Purgatorius on Jan 29, 2018 20:54:00 GMT
Ysengrin is missing an ear even in the oldest pictures of him.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 30, 2018 17:51:44 GMT
Ysengrin is missing an ear even in the oldest pictures of him. I am beginning to think we will have to wait for the Coyote side story to find out how Ysengrin lost his ear. Does anyone know if the real world stories about Ysengrin include him losing an ear? Maybe due to a prank by Renard? |
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Post by feraldog on Jan 30, 2018 20:20:00 GMT
Ysengrin is missing an ear even in the oldest pictures of him. I am beginning to think we will have to wait for the Coyote side story to find out how Ysengrin lost his ear. Does anyone know if the real world stories about Ysengrin include him losing an ear? Maybe due to a prank by Renard? There's one where he lost his tail thanks to Renard... |
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 31, 2018 10:06:47 GMT
"Clean slate" test is a fairly obvious setup when you got capabilities, but it's mostly useless if the subject asked himself this question already. |
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Post by novia on Jan 31, 2018 18:47:50 GMT
Ysengrin is missing an ear even in the oldest pictures of him. I am beginning to think we will have to wait for the Coyote side story to find out how Ysengrin lost his ear. Does anyone know if the real world stories about Ysengrin include him losing an ear? Maybe due to a prank by Renard? On these two pages Ysengrin has both ears. He lost the ear after Coyote showed up to join the fun. |
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Post by fia on Jan 31, 2018 19:11:53 GMT
Coyote has a real favoritism among his compatriots: he had been trying to give Renard all his powers, he says. But here is Ysengrin, wanting a specific one, and being denied! I wonder if Coyote was just looking for another trickster diety. Ysengrin is many things, but a trickster he is not. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 1, 2018 2:32:46 GMT
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 1, 2018 4:00:38 GMT
Hm. That makes me think. Suppose that Coyote, in general, does whatever he finds most entertaining. We know that he doesn't find Ysengrin entertaining (see above links, and also here). So why does he keep "boring old Ysengrin" around, anyway? Maybe: 1) His ego is stroked by having someone devoted to him, even if that someone isn't that interesting? 2) He just gets his kicks from messing with Ysengrin's mind, thereby making him unpredictable and thus less boring? 3) He's got some larger plan--which will doubtless be highly entertaining--that requires Ysengrin's presence/participation? It may be all of the above, but I'm particularly putting my bets on number 3. |
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