[1932] "Heading back" travel montage

[imaginaryfriend]

There they go.

I wonder if Antimony has tested her control over Ren. Probably not.

[hajo]

Also, Annie's sign on Rey's head is back.

[imaginaryfriend]

Jan 5, 2018 8:36:13 GMT hajo said:

Also, Annie's sign on Rey's head is back.

Yeah it was back in the last panel of #1930 but the transfer didn't happen in the normal way. Not sure how this process works so I'm not sure all the previous rules apply. Best to investigate. If you start changing things in a process then sooner or later you'll get a different result. And when you get a surprise that's when you (might) learn something new.

[bedinsis]

I was gonna ask why Annie's clothes had its colours muted, but then I realize it must be the hour.

[ST13R]

I'm kind of wondering, now that Rey is transfered, if Kats command is still a thing, and if that will have consequences or not.. At the time I thought it might actually be an important plot thingy, but maybe it was just to show that Kat thought ill of mr. Carver at the time?

[Jelly Jellybean]

The last panel is the Year 10 dorm with the "Friends" apartments, as seen on page 1482.  Hopefully we'll see more of the other QN students.

[imaginaryfriend]

Jan 5, 2018 11:32:46 GMT ST13R said:

I'm kind of wondering, now that Rey is transfered, if Kats command is still a thing, and if that will have consequences or not.. At the time I thought it might actually be an important plot thingy, but maybe it was just to show that Kat thought ill of mr. Carver at the time?

Good question. My guess is that it's irrelevant now but that isn't a good example of a command that the transfer could/should void. It's permission, vague and open-ended. If Kat told Renard to clean his room when he gets back and then she transferred ownership I guess that could be voided but I am not 100% sure.

[Jelly Jellybean]

Jan 5, 2018 12:14:19 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Jan 5, 2018 11:32:46 GMT ST13R said:

I'm kind of wondering, now that Rey is transfered, if Kats command is still a thing, and if that will have consequences or not.. At the time I thought it might actually be an important plot thingy, but maybe it was just to show that Kat thought ill of mr. Carver at the time?

Good question. My guess is that it's irrelevant now but that isn't a good example of a command that the transfer could/should void. It's permission, vague and open-ended. If Kat told Renard to clean his room when he gets back and then she transferred ownership I guess that could be voided but I am not 100% sure.

I woukd argue that the command to defend himself is still in force if Tom had highlighted Kat’s command at the beginning of this chapter for Renard to not forget about their 3PM meeting. A quick response like “I can’t forget it now” would have served as a reminder about inadvertent commands and a call back to Kat’s earlier command. But there was nothing and we may be projecting loaded a gun where there isn’t one.

[imaginaryfriend]

Jan 5, 2018 13:43:48 GMT Jelly Jellybean said:

Jan 5, 2018 12:14:19 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Good question. My guess is that it's irrelevant now but that isn't a good example of a command that the transfer could/should void. It's permission, vague and open-ended. If Kat told Renard to clean his room when he gets back and then she transferred ownership I guess that could be voided but I am not 100% sure.

I woukd argue that the command to defend himself is still in force if Tom had highlighted Kat’s command at the beginning of this chapter for Renard to not forget about their 3PM meeting. A quick response like “I can’t forget it now” would have served as a reminder about inadvertent commands and a call back to Kat’s earlier command. But there was nothing and we may be projecting loaded a gun where there isn’t one.

The "don't forget" is also vague but it may refer back to a clear order to do something other than remember. Also: The change of ownership issue aside, I'm not sure what happens if Renard is ordered to do something he isn't capable of. This ownership-geas-thing can't compel Renard to speak so I don't think it can command his thoughts or his subconscious; remembering should be something he can try but not guarantee short of a specific command to do something that would force him to remember (like repeat a mnemonic over and over). So if something happened to distract him I *think* he wouldn't magically be reminded. He couldn't forget maliciously, of course.

[zaferion]

There's a quiet kind of acknowledgement and happiness between Annie and Renard in the first panel that makes me giddy. TBH, this entire page is just so peaceful and serene and I love it. The Court has much more color here than it usually does; possibly to signify the trio's heightened spirits? Cuz this is honestly the first time in a while that something's gone right for them.

Jan 5, 2018 15:47:15 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Also: The change of ownership issue aside, I'm not sure what happens if Renard is ordered to do something he isn't capable of.

I'm pretty sure I remember us being told at some point that Renard can't be commanded to do something he's incapable of?

edit: Nope, I'm actually thinking of a line from Code Geass about Lelouch's Geass haha

[aline]

Jan 5, 2018 11:32:46 GMT ST13R said:

I'm kind of wondering, now that Rey is transfered, if Kats command is still a thing, and if that will have consequences or not.. At the time I thought it might actually be an important plot thingy, but maybe it was just to show that Kat thought ill of mr. Carver at the time?

I've always felt that line of dialog was never a plot thing, but a relationship thing. It was a demonstration of the rift existing between Annie and her friends at the time. It made clear that Annie wasn't prioritizing Rey's safety at that point. We saw the result of that in earlier chapters, her remorse, tears and soul-searching, and what she did to heal her relationship with Rey. It also made clear that Kat both trusted Rey and valued his safety. She trusted Rey to make the right call and did not deprive him from his right to self-defense, on the off chance he'd use force in an inappropriate way. Kat did all she could to keep her friends safe, and that included Rey. That's a long way from where Rey and Kat were standing back when they first met.

I don't think there's any more point in wondering now. It's quite clear Tony never had any intention to hurt Rey anyway.