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Post by TBeholder on Dec 25, 2017 8:09:33 GMT
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Post by madjack on Dec 25, 2017 8:12:06 GMT
The only thing worse than this going horribly wrong is what they might learn if it all goes completely right.
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Anthony
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Post by Anthony on Dec 25, 2017 8:12:22 GMT
What can possibly go wrong, right?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 25, 2017 8:25:50 GMT
"Don't worry, the chances that you might like each other enough to become trapped in a pocket-subdimensional hellscape made from your own thoughts and feelings when Renard dissolves and returns are so small to be nearly nonexistent. And it's for science."
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 25, 2017 8:44:59 GMT
Renard: "Then what the devil do you need to do this for?"
Kat: "For the lolz."
I'm all for mad science, but this... this seems not at all good.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 25, 2017 9:03:44 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 25, 2017 9:37:56 GMT
I'm guessing that Kat either doesn't know at all about why Renard was a prisoner or got a very abridged version... because if she knew about what he tried when he and Antimony first met then she couldn't propose an experiment that might screw up the ownership transfer... because if she does know this would nominate Kat for a Darwin award. |
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Post by brokshi on Dec 25, 2017 9:48:32 GMT
I'm guessing that Kat either doesn't know at all about why Renard was a prisoner or got a very abridged version... because if she knew about what he tried when he and Antimony first met then she couldn't propose an experiment that might screw up the ownership transfer... because if she does know this would nominate Kat for a Darwin award. Renard has changed since then, and even without ownership he wouldn't just revert and start trying to kill Annie. That's what the whole quicksilver chapter was establishing. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 25, 2017 11:08:04 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free?
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Dec 25, 2017 12:20:29 GMT
"dangrous"...
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Post by todd on Dec 25, 2017 12:45:54 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? That's a good point. Tom might have simply not let them consider the idea because it would mean writing out of the story (or at least, shifting him into a role where he could only appear on occasion) a major character (since it would most likely mean Renard permanently returning to Gilltie Wood). |
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Post by gpvos on Dec 25, 2017 13:03:48 GMT
I can hear Coyote giggling about this already...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 25, 2017 13:17:51 GMT
I'm guessing that Kat either doesn't know at all about why Renard was a prisoner or got a very abridged version... because if she knew about what he tried when he and Antimony first met then she couldn't propose an experiment that might screw up the ownership transfer... because if she does know this would nominate Kat for a Darwin award. Renard has changed since then, and even without ownership he wouldn't just revert and start trying to kill Annie. That's what the whole quicksilver chapter was establishing. I agree with the sentiment but has Kat read that chapter? Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Yes in the sense that Antimony could order Renard to work without regard to fatigue or his wishes but not in the conventional sense. I think it was said in the comic that Antimony owns the rights to his actions, presumably because she owns the body he inhabits. Before she knew she had those rights she didn't have control (re: destruction of science fair projects except the one that Zeta made). The rights are not unlimited since she can't force him to speak. I guess it's more like serfdom. He's occupying her real estate, so to speak, and could order him out at the expense of no longer being able to command work from him. |
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Post by csj on Dec 25, 2017 14:09:20 GMT
What can possibly go wrong, right? |
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Post by shadow3 on Dec 25, 2017 14:48:58 GMT
This is how Lawnmower Man begins...
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Post by tulicloure on Dec 25, 2017 16:19:05 GMT
This is how Lawnmower Man begins... And it might end up ending the same way as well. |
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Post by stigand on Dec 25, 2017 16:44:26 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? Eglamore and Anthony would not be happy with that. Yes, Coyote is the bigger threat, but Eggers and Tony are pretty scary too. That's a good point. Tom might have simply not let them consider the idea because it would mean writing out of the story (or at least, shifting him into a role where he could only appear on occasion) a major character (since it would most likely mean Renard permanently returning to Gilltie Wood). Tom has written Ghost out of the story. I wouldn't put it past him, either, to write out an even more major character. |
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Post by vankersabra17 on Dec 25, 2017 16:58:19 GMT
Yep. And that's how Katinha will destroy reality as we know and oblitarate all life in existence. I always knew she was bound to do great things.
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Post by intotheether on Dec 25, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? Hold on now, haven't they offered to set Rey free at least once before? I can't remember it precisely which bothers me, but I swear I remember it happening, because it struck me as a milestone that they've developed that close a bond that they trusted him enough to offer him his freedom, even at the risk of consequences on their part for such action. |
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Post by jda on Dec 25, 2017 19:08:10 GMT
Dear adults, That's why you tell your intelligent children ALL the story about important things, like curses or demons: because they will find out by themselves the unnecessary way.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 25, 2017 19:38:19 GMT
Oh no. This seems like a terrible idea.
I am also immensely intrigued. But if Tom hurts Renard I will be, ah, displeased.
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Post by avurai on Dec 25, 2017 21:59:02 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? Hold on now, haven't they offered to set Rey free at least once before? I can't remember it precisely which bothers me, but I swear I remember it happening, because it struck me as a milestone that they've developed that close a bond that they trusted him enough to offer him his freedom, even at the risk of consequences on their part for such action. Correct. After Fire Spike, when Annie returns from her summer in the forest, she offers to set him free and he elects to stay. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 26, 2017 0:23:18 GMT
He does not say he wants to remain bound, though. At least I understood this page as Renard expressing that he wanted to stay with Annie. Which he could do if he were set free, as well. True, Eglamore and Anthony would not be happy with that. Yes, Coyote is the bigger threat, but Eggers and Tony are pretty scary too. However, none of them recognized when Annie was not in control of Renard anymore. If he did not behave differently, I doubt they would recognize if no one was in control of him any more. Yes in the sense that Antimony could order Renard to work without regard to fatigue or his wishes but not in the conventional sense. I think it was said in the comic that Antimony owns the rights to his actions, presumably because she owns the body he inhabits. Before she knew she had those rights she didn't have control (re: destruction of science fair projects except the one that Zeta made). The rights are not unlimited since she can't force him to speak. I guess it's more like serfdom. He's occupying her real estate, so to speak, and could order him out at the expense of no longer being able to command work from him. She is, however, being able to make him stay mute for days, or stay in a locked box while turned into a toy, which, I must say, is a horror image for me. Of course, she does not do such things on purpose anymore, but even a throwaway sentence like "Don't stay out too long!" was interpreted by the etheric laws of his possession power as an order which he had to obey. There are certainly worse mistresses than Antimony, but the mere thought of someone having that level of control over another being is...disturbing in my eyes. Not as disturbing as the abusive relationship between Red and Ayilu, thanks to Annie's personality, but still... |
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 26, 2017 0:35:39 GMT
Aw man. This is just like that other scene when they decide to keep the arrow: a pretty justified decision on their part, but our trope-sense is practically SCREAMING at us that this will go horribly, horribly, wrong. Maybe the arrow turns out to be sentient and secretly takes control of the computer? |
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Post by todd on Dec 26, 2017 0:55:02 GMT
Eglamore and Anthony would not be happy with that. Yes, Coyote is the bigger threat, but Eggers and Tony are pretty scary too. Or the Court's "inner circle", for that matter. Eglamore seems to have started to accept that Reynardine is more than a menace (judging from the ending of the of "Quicksilver"), but I don't think the upper-echelon members of the Court administration will share that feeling. (And, of course, they'd ignore the fact that if they hadn't engaged in all that meddling through Surma, he wouldn't have been interested in receiving Coyote's powers and wouldn't have become a problem.) |
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Post by warrl on Dec 26, 2017 1:32:00 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was necessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? The fact of Renard being owned is readily detectable by the mark on his forehead - and the identity of the owner as well, to those who know the marks (I guess nobody bothered to tell Tony what his daughter's mark and her friend's mark look like). If they were to free him and he remained at the Court, the lack of a mark would soon be noticed and there would be a bit of a panic. Probably ending up with him in prison again. Recall that he killed to try to stay out of prison, and tried to kill to get out of prison... not a good approach. In fact he now regrets both sets of actions. So his choices are to stay with friends and chosen family as property, or be free and go back to Coyote whom he doesn't seem to entirely like or trust (can't imagine why...), or be free and go out as a wolf into a mundane world not friendly to wolves. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 26, 2017 1:39:23 GMT
Kat does seem too confident for her, and everyone else's, own good. The power already corrupts.
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Post by feraldog on Dec 26, 2017 3:42:57 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? This might be why she thought to use the arrow for this. If the explanation for Renard being bound to Annie sounds like the same thing as the arrow, Kat might be looking for a way to break the bind without necessarily having to have Renard return to the woods (or, if not, she might be led to those lines of thought by what she has learned). |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Dec 26, 2017 5:19:24 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this whole "ownership" thing is something like slavery? I know that in the beginning it was neccessary to protect everyone from Renard, and also to protect him from the Court, but it still gives me the creeps. Did Annie and/or Kat ever think about setting him free? As others have pointed out, Annie did indeed offer him his freedom, and he rejected it at the time. And the Court didn't set it up this way in order to protect everyone, it was this way the moment Rey entered Annie's toy. He has to follow her orders because she owns his body, and the Court elected to allow that to be the new status quo because trying to take the toy from Annie may have voided the ownership contract. In a way, you could view it as Renard being currently a guest on Annie's property, and to remain a guest he has to follow Annie's rules. Of course, the difference here is that Renard is incapable of violating the rules, whereas a normal guest could potentially do so. I think the main thing that keeps Rey in said body is that the Court would retaliate against Annie if he were to be set free, nor would they likely permit him to be within the Court if he were free in his own body. |
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Post by maxptc on Dec 26, 2017 5:47:49 GMT
So evil scientist Kat?
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