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Post by avurai on Nov 27, 2017 8:06:38 GMT
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Post by arf on Nov 27, 2017 8:12:58 GMT
The moment when Kat recalls her Dad has been working on this a lot longer than she has.
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Post by arf on Nov 27, 2017 8:14:24 GMT
... anyway, the initial design of *anything* is likely to require additional work.
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Post by ih8pkmn on Nov 27, 2017 8:24:36 GMT
There's a fine line between "being bad at social situations" and "just being a c**t". A lot of people seem interpret Anthony as having ASD (autistic spectrum disorder), and speaking as someone who's on the spectrum, if I said that kind of shit in front of any of my friends, the best-case scenario is that I get called out for being an insensitive jackass. The difference is that I'm a twenty-something in college, and he's a doctor. Who had to go to medical school. And learn about bedside manner. Is treating other human beings with respect something that they don't teach in UK medical school? Because that's the only reason I can think that "social awkwardness" is an acceptable excuse at this point.
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Post by avurai on Nov 27, 2017 8:25:49 GMT
At this point, we’ve learned enough about Anthony to know that he isn’t oblivious to subtext or social cues, so it’s pretty much confirmed that this is just him lashing out. It’s fair to say that Annie and Kat’s patience is far greater than mine.
Hopefully in this chapter we make enough progress that it doesn’t just end with him getting drunk and feeling guilty about it again.
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Post by brokshi on Nov 27, 2017 8:26:56 GMT
Man I've really been sitting the last few chapters out because I'm so sick of Anthony, but can he once just shut his ruinous little mouth? Please? Maybe stop being a wretched, pathetic little coward while he's at it?
Kat's doing her best to try and mend this but it ain't on her or even Annie to deal with, it's on Mr. Massively Moronic to treat his daughter like an actual person. His introduction and refusal to leave has been a trial in frustration.
Edit: I don't even particularly care for him to even be better to Annie going forward, as desperately as she wants it to happen. I want him gone, possibly for her to learn that family doesn't mean much of anything in the long run, but even without any lessons learned, if she was like she was before he showed up, she'd still be better off.
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Post by madragoran on Nov 27, 2017 8:27:52 GMT
Meh! This feels a lot like a friend trying to hook up two other friends... Love is not something you can create like that, whatever romcoms say.
Also... Father.... daughter... eww
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 27, 2017 8:30:05 GMT
Ideally, a parent instructs and administers correction and the child pays attention and is compliant. And if no opportunity to display correction is at hand when you feel uncomfortable the need to reassert this relationship why not just manufacture one? Sure, an uninformed observer might interpret that as belittling your child because of your own insecurities but better that then your child thinking she is appreciated and running amok or something.
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Post by avurai on Nov 27, 2017 8:32:12 GMT
Ideally, a parent instructs and administers correction and the child pays attention and is compliant. And if no opportunity to display correction is at hand when you feel uncomfortable the need to reassert this relationship why not just manufacture one? Sure, an uninformed observer might interpret that as belittling your child because of your own insecurities but better that then your child thinking she is appreciated and running amok or something. It’s scary and sad that I was somewhat unsure if this was satirical given the history of discourse on the forum. |
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Post by rafk on Nov 27, 2017 8:46:35 GMT
Sigh.
I'll get the "asssssshollllle" chant generator hooked back up.
One would have hoped Tony had learned something, anything, from recent events, but no.
We're now several chapters and a couple of years overdue for someone to front Tony properly about what a dick he's being and not chicken out.
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Post by philman on Nov 27, 2017 8:46:40 GMT
There's a fine line between "being bad at social situations" and "just being a c**t". A lot of people seem interpret Anthony as having ASD (autistic spectrum disorder), and speaking as someone who's on the spectrum, if I said that kind of shit in front of any of my friends, the best-case scenario is that I get called out for being an insensitive jackass. The difference is that I'm a twenty-something in college, and he's a doctor. Who had to go to medical school. And learn about bedside manner. Is treating other human beings with respect something that they don't teach in UK medical school? Because that's the only reason I can think that "social awkwardness" is an acceptable excuse at this point. By this stage we know it isn't just Tony being antisocial or autistic, we know that he is pretty much ONLY like this with Annie, and no-one else. I do hope that Kat has some sort of plan around this and it isn't just going to be another chapter of abuse. I trust in Tom enough that I believe this is just the opening to a chapter which will result in something more significant, but jesus it is still painful. (Which I guess is the point) |
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Post by rafk on Nov 27, 2017 8:48:36 GMT
Man I've really been sitting the last few chapters out because I'm so sick of Anthony, but can he once just shut his ruinous little mouth? Please? Maybe stop being a wretched, pathetic little coward while he's at it? Kat's doing her best to try and mend this but it ain't on her or even Annie to deal with, it's on Mr. Massively Moronic to treat his daughter like an actual person. His introduction and refusal to leave has been a trial in frustration. Edit: I don't even particularly care for him to even be better to Annie going forward, as desperately as she wants it to happen. I want him gone, possibly for her to learn that family doesn't mean much of anything in the long run, but even without any lessons learned, if she was like she was before he showed up, she'd still be better off. *sings* I used to want you dead, but now I only want you gonnnne. |
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Post by brokshi on Nov 27, 2017 8:52:16 GMT
*sings* I used to want you dead, but now I only want you gonnnne. Yeah, that's what happens when you spend over a year ineffectually hoping for something to happen, your standards lower to something more likely. Practically everything he says and does infuriates me but at this point I've spent enough energy hoping for a righteous conflagration, now I'm cool with him just getting disappeared one day. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 27, 2017 8:53:05 GMT
Ideally, a parent instructs and administers correction and the child pays attention and is compliant. And if no opportunity to display correction is at hand when you feel uncomfortable the need to reassert this relationship why not just manufacture one? Sure, an uninformed observer might interpret that as belittling your child because of your own insecurities but better that then your child thinking she is appreciated and running amok or something. It’s scary and sad that I was somewhat unsure if this was satirical given the history of discourse on the forum. I've run into people who use Anthony's parenting style or employ similar tactics in personal and professional relationships. Familiarity minus respect equals contempt. |
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Post by rafk on Nov 27, 2017 9:17:47 GMT
*sings* I used to want you dead, but now I only want you gonnnne. Yeah, that's what happens when you spend over a year ineffectually hoping for something to happen, your standards lower to something more likely. Practically everything he says and does infuriates me but at this point I've spent enough energy hoping for a righteous conflagration, now I'm cool with him just getting disappeared one day. Well, yes, but I was also doing a Portal 2 reference. |
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Post by brokshi on Nov 27, 2017 9:21:15 GMT
Well, yes, but I was also doing a Portal 2 reference. It's been too long since I played a portal game. Sorry I missed the reference, I'm a tired ball of rage right now. |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 27, 2017 9:27:13 GMT
Welp, so much for Tony trying. Its a little early to call it a lost cause, conflict before lesson learning and all, but were this real life I'd think Tony was just gonna be a dick forever at this point.
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Post by Lightice on Nov 27, 2017 9:44:54 GMT
By this stage we know it isn't just Tony being antisocial or autistic, we know that he is pretty much ONLY like this with Annie, and no-one else. I do hope that Kat has some sort of plan around this and it isn't just going to be another chapter of abuse. I trust in Tom enough that I believe this is just the opening to a chapter which will result in something more significant, but jesus it is still painful. (Which I guess is the point) Well, he is asocial and quite possibly autistic -- remember his issue about involuntarily shutting down when there's more than one person in the room with him? But he is also deliberately trying to push Annie away, there's no question about that. Based on his drunken ramble a few chapters ago, he has fully internalised the "I'm a bad person and my daughter should hate me"-mindset, and really does his best to get her follow the program. I feel that this is the issue that Kat really needs to confront him with, if there's to be any progress. I don't think that it's going to be just another chapter of Tony being a jerk, though -- that would be redundant, storywise. Each chapter featuring him has revealed another aspect of his personality, so I expect that we'll get to see some interesting development, at least. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Nov 27, 2017 10:02:46 GMT
It's amazing how much of a passive aggressive savage he can be.
His behaviour around Annie goes way beyond just disconnecting to the present situation.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 27, 2017 11:40:34 GMT
I guess just leaving Annie and Tony alone and hoping Tony will open up isn't going to work.
On the other hand... the blue smoke isn't causing everyone to gag.
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Post by faiiry on Nov 27, 2017 12:17:43 GMT
I sat out the last few pages because I want to get some perspective and dammit, am I sick of Anthony. Here I am back, checking the comic once again, and wow! Somehow, I am magically not less sick of Tony. He is horrible as a character, as a human being and as a plot device and I cannot wait until he falls off a cliff or something. Until then, farewell for another few months or years.
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Post by todd on Nov 27, 2017 12:51:14 GMT
I realize that most of the readers here are fed up with the Antony arc, but I don't think there's going to be some easy cure for it. Because of Antony's links to first Annie, now Kat, he's going to be around a lot. Hastily writing him out of the story or having him miraculously change overnight would feel contrived. Short of moving the focus off of Annie and Kat and onto characters who have little or no contact with Mr. Carver, which would have its own problems, we're not likely to see far less of him any time soon.
Maybe the Antony plot-thread was a big mistake of Tom's and a sign that writers need editors to say to them "I know this big arc that you want to write blows you away - you're too close to it to be objective about it - but the audience will find it tiresome and might even decide to stop reading your story if it goes on for long", but there's little we can do about that now.
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 27, 2017 14:23:00 GMT
Douche-canoe mode activated.
If he's internalized the whole "my daughter must/should hate me" sentiment, the only thing that might solve that quickly is Annie reaching out to him, and telling him that she forgives him. I don't think it's too fair for Annie to have to be the adult in this, but considering the trauma (killing your wife and nearly your daughter) it might be required of her.
He can be so unnecessarily insufferable, though.
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Post by OrzBrain on Nov 27, 2017 14:56:45 GMT
I sat out the last few pages because I want to get some perspective and dammit, am I sick of Anthony. Here I am back, checking the comic once again, and wow! Somehow, I am magically not less sick of Tony. He is horrible as a character, as a human being and as a plot device and I cannot wait until he falls off a cliff or something. Until then, farewell for another few months or years. Bye! |
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Post by philman on Nov 27, 2017 14:58:52 GMT
I sat out the last few pages because I want to get some perspective and dammit, am I sick of Anthony. Here I am back, checking the comic once again, and wow! Somehow, I am magically not less sick of Tony. He is horrible as a character, as a human being and as a plot device and I cannot wait until he falls off a cliff or something. Until then, farewell for another few months or years. Yeah this seems like the wrong page to come in on in that case... But to me this feels like the start of some sort of resolution chapter at least. After Annie's statement at the end of the last chapter, and now Tony repeats his dickish tendencies, yet again, at the start of the next one. This feels like the setup for something to happen about it. Of course I doubt it will be neat, or result in happy families afterwards, but hopefully it will be moving the story a long a little. |
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Post by Per on Nov 27, 2017 15:04:14 GMT
Wow, Kat lies and embarrasses Annie by dragging her into the lie while setting up Tony for a straight man smash, because honestly if Annie and Kat worked on some engineering thing together, who's more likely to have messed it up.
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Post by GriffTheJack on Nov 27, 2017 15:21:24 GMT
Wow, Kat lies and embarrasses Annie by dragging her into the lie while setting up Tony for a straight man smash, because honestly if Annie and Kat worked on some engineering thing together, who's more likely to have messed it up. I don't think it's a lie? Kat's been working on this for a long time, but at the very beginning when she had the bird wing revelation, Annie definitely knew a lot more about human anatomy and general biology than Kat did. Up until that point, Kat had been primarily a mechanical engineer, computer scientist and physical scientist. Tony is being contemptuous towards work Annie actually did. Which, of course, makes it worse. |
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 27, 2017 15:24:46 GMT
I've actually been really enjoying the Tony arc *shrug*.
I'm going to guess that Tony is going to go for the "not as big a jerk as he could have been" award for now.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Nov 27, 2017 15:58:46 GMT
I am disappointed we are this far into the chapter and still no answers on why Kat has a WiFi-enabled alarm clock.
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Post by avurai on Nov 27, 2017 16:23:18 GMT
I am disappointed we are this far into the chapter and still no answers on why Kat has a WiFi-enabled alarm clock. She’s in the Court. The place is a festering mass of excess energy, I would assume. The place grows itself and practically breaks the laws of physics, why not add the laws of thermodynamics to the mix? |
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