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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 2, 2017 7:06:05 GMT
Happy times.The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife, here.
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Post by stigand on Aug 2, 2017 7:24:36 GMT
Ooh, are we gonna get info on what Surma thinks about her parents (Surma's mom is presumably dead by now)? Or about Tony's parents or siblings? Let's talk more about families!
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Post by noone3 on Aug 2, 2017 7:58:18 GMT
Or about Tony's parents or siblings? I don't thin Tony ever had parents. I guess he just jumped out of some filing cabinet at the Court. |
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Post by calpal on Aug 2, 2017 8:41:14 GMT
I think I see where Annie inherited her early social skills from.
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Post by stigand on Aug 2, 2017 9:13:22 GMT
It's a bit of a long shot, though, if Tony even has siblings.
Has there really been not a single brother or sister in the entire comic? Aside from that fairy family Annie stayed with in the woods.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 2, 2017 10:18:33 GMT
Anthony is stuck in the uncanny valley and he can't get out.
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Post by saardvark on Aug 2, 2017 11:20:11 GMT
It's a bit of a long shot, though, if Tony even has siblings. Has there really been not a single brother or sister in the entire comic? Aside from that fairy family Annie stayed with in the woods. I think Paz had siblings, mentioned in her side comic. But you're right, human siblings are not a big factor in the Gunnerkrigg universe. |
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Post by csj on Aug 2, 2017 12:11:28 GMT
Confirmed for Greek Tragedy.
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Post by faiiry on Aug 2, 2017 13:03:02 GMT
Shades of chapter 52? gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1524 It seems Tony and Anja just never know when to touch each other in a friendly manner. I honestly don't know what Surma is rolling her eyes about. I also stand by my earlier statement that Tony has a tiny head. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Aug 2, 2017 13:09:30 GMT
I honestly don't know what Surma is rolling her eyes about. Probably about the aborted attempt at a reassuring gesture. "Okay, seriously Tony? Give the woman a hug!" |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 2, 2017 13:16:02 GMT
It's a bit of a long shot, though, if Tony even has siblings. Has there really been not a single brother or sister in the entire comic? Aside from that fairy family Annie stayed with in the woods. I think Paz had siblings, mentioned in her side comic. But you're right, human siblings are not a big factor in the Gunnerkrwigg universe. Gunnerkrigg is a super utilitarian place that puts emphasis on science and technology and rationality. They're probably not too big on the idea of large happy families in the Court - just another way they contrast with the forest, where Khepi has approximately 20 thousand children (Annie can't even count them). I'd bet GKC probably has some kind of one child policy in place or something for couples who live there. Apparently Winsbury has a brother, which just supports the idea that he's part elf. Paz has siblings, but neither she nor her parents are originally from the Court. |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 2, 2017 13:19:10 GMT
I honestly don't know what Surma is rolling her eyes about. Probably about the aborted attempt at a reassuring gesture. "Okay, seriously Tony? Give the woman a hug!" I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 2, 2017 13:46:12 GMT
I also stand by my earlier statement that Tony has a tiny head. I think his head is fine, but his feet seem big. Probably about the aborted attempt at a reassuring gesture. "Okay, seriously Tony? Give the woman a hug!" I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. Oh, hey, another one.^^ It's taken me years to get half of a feeling how to do that, as well. Is this the most empathic we have seen Tony yet? |
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Post by faiiry on Aug 2, 2017 13:58:33 GMT
I also stand by my earlier statement that Tony has a tiny head. I think his head is fine, but his feet seem big. I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. Oh, hey, another one.^^ It's taken me years to get half of a feeling how to do that, as well. Is this the most empathic we have seen Tony yet? Oh, without a simgle doubt. His daughter unintentionally but directly killed her own mother and then he abandoned her for two years and then he roasted her in front of her entire class when he got back, and we know he feels bad about that, but still, the nicest and most compassionate we've seen Tony Carver behave toward another human being is with Anja over 20 years ago. What a guy. |
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Post by gunnerscrag on Aug 2, 2017 14:34:28 GMT
Back when he knew how to mimic social interaction.
Poor guy's hdd was fried in the (n)ether world and made him forget how to human.
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2017 15:13:21 GMT
Hve we already ruled out that Tony is boxbot in disguise? Because this was terrible. (To be fair I'm only slightly better at comforting people.) Shades of chapter 52? gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1524 It seems Tony and Anja just never know when to touch each other in a friendly manner. Nice catch!  My guess is: she heard enough "can you believe that guy"-stories about Tony from James and it's colouring her own perception of him. (I'm assuming they are dating already.) It's so easy to dislike Anthony. |
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Post by saardvark on Aug 2, 2017 15:19:00 GMT
Probably about the aborted attempt at a reassuring gesture. "Okay, seriously Tony? Give the woman a hug!" I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. In context though, Surma may be seeing this as just another case of Tony's emotional constipation... the Brinnie episode as a major example. (You're totally right though, comforting people in tragic situations can be tricky for anyone... so Surma is being a bit harsh, even if it does fit into Tony's usual emotionally cramped way of dealing with things.) |
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Post by westwindreborn on Aug 2, 2017 15:24:39 GMT
I honestly don't know what Surma is rolling her eyes about. I also stand by my earlier statement that Tony has a tiny head. Given who her boyfriend is and how he views Tony, as well as the entire Brinnie fiasco? She likely has an unfavorable view of him at this point. So any attempt at genuinity is likely met with the 'oh, please' reaction. |
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Post by fia on Aug 2, 2017 15:35:48 GMT
What I want to know is, what trip was this that they were planning? Is Surma now going to volunteer to go instead?!
It seems like a Surma thing to do, 'eyeroll, this guy is like a kicked puppy, can't even hug his friend, and probably too noodly to fend for himself out there on this trip, I will go and then Donny can keep Anja company in peace'.
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Post by ohthatone on Aug 2, 2017 15:36:06 GMT
Assuming it's going to be suggested that Surma go with Tony, I wonder if Surma has some kind of science interest we don't know about yet. A trip with Tony probably wouldn't involve music tours. Maybe a science expo?
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 2, 2017 15:55:54 GMT
Probably about the aborted attempt at a reassuring gesture. "Okay, seriously Tony? Give the woman a hug!" I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. Anecdote: when I was in my early 20s, I lived with a couple who were a bit older than me. One evening the wife came home in tears because she had lost her job. Her husband went over and held her in his arms. I didn't know what to do except sit there awkwardly. So yes, being a man and physically comforting a woman who's already got a significant other, while that significant other is already there comforting her, just feels weird. Nowadays, I think I would consider a hand on the shoulder appropriate. But at Tony's age? I wouldn't even have started to reach out. |
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Post by bedinsis on Aug 2, 2017 16:10:00 GMT
Since people are talking about the lack of siblings in the comic, Adam used to have a sister. I honestly think it's a matter of keeping the amount of characters limited, unless demanded by the plot. |
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Post by ohthatone on Aug 2, 2017 16:25:45 GMT
Probably about the aborted attempt at a reassuring gesture. "Okay, seriously Tony? Give the woman a hug!" I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. SAME. and yeah, Surma is kind of being a jerk. She's just standing there too. At least Tony made an attempt. Yeah yeah, I'm sure she's already hugged Anja before Donny or will shortly after, but right now she seems kind of judgey for someone who hasn't even said anything yet. I agree with those saying her opinion of him has probably been colored a lot by James. I wonder if their dust up will start with "Hey, that Tony guy? Not so bad actually." That probably wouldn't be that cause of the breakup, but it could easily spiral down from there.
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Post by warrl on Aug 2, 2017 16:50:38 GMT
For the most part, we have only seen (with any depth of info) the kids in Annie's (original) class. They would all be pretty close to the same age. So, aside from possible twins, they wouldn't be siblings. (Well, I did once know a pair of full-brothers 11 months apart. Which would, based on age, be less than 10% likely to put them in the same class.)
They may have siblings in OTHER classes, but we haven't seen much of other classes.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Aug 2, 2017 18:49:43 GMT
I feel for Tony here - I'm never quite sure how to be physically comforting in tragic situations, either. He's being very polite and trying his best, though. Surma is kinda a jerk. SAME. and yeah, Surma is kind of being a jerk. She's just standing there too. At least Tony made an attempt. Yeah yeah, I'm sure she's already hugged Anja before Donny or will shortly after, but right now she seems kind of judgey for someone who hasn't even said anything yet. I agree with those saying her opinion of him has probably been colored a lot by James. I wonder if their dust up will start with "Hey, that Tony guy? Not so bad actually." That probably wouldn't be that cause of the breakup, but it could easily spiral down from there.
We haven't seen the whole scene, so it's a bit much to assume Surma has said nothing. It's quite clear that Anja informed the group about her father's death prior to the start of the chapter. Knowing their friendship, it isn't too hard to assume that Surma could have been comforting Anja until Donny and Tony arrived, at which point Donny takes over the forefront of comforting her while she brings the boys up to speed. A pause for the sake of Anja's grief... then we have Donny say "I can't go" and so the chapter begins. There are other possible scenarios, but that is not unreasonable. But there is a more important point to make here: you don't have to say anything at all to be a comforting presence; you don't have to *do* anything at all to be there for someone who is grieving. Sometimes, all you have to be is close by, and all you have to do is be a steady point in the storm. Note, in the set-up of the room, Surma is standing close to her friend, while Tony is further away. She's close enough that, before the moments in the opening, she could have had a hand on Anja's shoulder (dropped when Anja leans forward to cry). Her position alone indicates intimacy and sympathy. Even if we haven't seen her do anything, simply the way they are standing and the body language involved shows that she is there for her friend. Tony's position on the other hand, communicates distance, and his body-language is reserved. His statement that family ought to come first took Surma by surprise because 1. Tony doesn't normally express much and 2. his behavior and demeanor in general is not sympathetic, even here when their friend is grieving... but here he is expressing sympathy and putting Anja's grief ahead of the plans he's been making. Her judging look is not unreasonable: Tony's behavior annoys her, as it annoys us; he seems like he's going to actually open up for his pained friend, but he pulls back at the last minute and goes back to stone-face Tony (Stony?). |
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Post by Corvo on Aug 2, 2017 19:06:24 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Aug 2, 2017 20:21:53 GMT
For the most part, we have only seen (with any depth of info) the kids in Annie's (original) class. They would all be pretty close to the same age. So, aside from possible twins, they wouldn't be siblings. (Well, I did once know a pair of full-brothers 11 months apart. Which would, based on age, be less than 10% likely to put them in the same class.) They may have siblings in OTHER classes, but we haven't seen much of other classes. good point; and the frequency of multiple births is only about 1.3%. So (nerding out here), chances are only 1/12 (for your 11 month case) + 1.3% ~ 9.6% chance ... but that is *per person* to have a sibling in the same class. Chances to not have any sibling in a given class are thus (1-0.096)^(N-1), where N = number of students. So, for a 20 student class, chance is only ~14.6% for no siblings. (If I did that right!) Edit: Actually, this is probably a high estimate, as it assumes an even distribution of sibling arrival months, when often a sibling is delayed years. It would seem that median sibling separation in the UK is 36 months. So the correct calculation [assuming even month delay distribution] is [1 - (1/36.+0.013)]^(N-1) = 0.9592^(N-1). For the 20 student class, in this revised improved calculation, chance is ~45.3%, so about 50-50 for no siblings. Quite possible there are no siblings in a given 20 person class, though you would expect to find siblings in roughly half of the classes. Nerding finished. |
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Post by davidm on Aug 2, 2017 21:17:38 GMT
Happy times.The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife, here. I don't see the irony. He was completely obsessed with saving his wife. Now he is doing what he can to be close to his daughter while seems to pretend to show no interest because otherwise court would use her against him. He likely is still completely obsessed with family in his own way. Perhaps being with family while he can would be better in end, but he doesn't know that... The court in Jeanne situation showed willingness to sacrifice lives, may not be that different a court today. Coyote says they want to be "gods"... what or who would men sacrifice in order to become immortal and strong, especially when weak and soon to die of old age like headmaster? |
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2017 21:53:48 GMT
Um, just to make sure I understand correctly: They said "see Anja's father" last page and are now talking about a funeral. Can we reasonably conclude who died? My first thought was they are going to see the father so the mother must have died. Does the language support this or could it be the father?
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Post by westwindreborn on Aug 3, 2017 0:03:32 GMT
Pretty sure it's the mother that died.
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