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Post by doublefried on Jun 30, 2017 7:02:36 GMT
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Post by ariestinak on Jun 30, 2017 7:06:19 GMT
Will this somehow convince the court not to prevent Arthur from leaving? Do they only prevent really real robots from leaving?
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Post by Zox Tomana on Jun 30, 2017 7:07:52 GMT
I wonder if we're going to get some info out of them on the Court's ambitions in return for this service/collaboration. On one hand, they're keeping at least one aspect of the Jeanne incident from the eyes of the Court currently, but on the other they're asking not just for help with their own escape, but Kat's secrecy and complicity in that escape, as well as for Kat to put off a new body for Robot. Big things are being asked for here.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 30, 2017 7:11:30 GMT
For anyone who forgot, the author's comment is (I believe) a reference to this comic. |
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Post by aline on Jun 30, 2017 7:32:20 GMT
Will this somehow convince the court not to prevent Arthur from leaving? Do they only prevent really real robots from leaving? I doubt it, but it might deprive them from the means to do it. There's probably some mechanism in the robot's bodies that warns the Court when they try to leave. |
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Post by philman on Jun 30, 2017 8:42:30 GMT
huh, well bang goes my theory of Juliette being uploaded to a robot body.
Interesting though, they want to leave but are being prevented. Trouble in the Ranks indeed. I wonder if the story is going to delve more into the internal strife and divisions within the Court soon.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 30, 2017 10:04:05 GMT
Who forcibly reprograms or destroys robots that try to leave? The Court seemed to leave the bots to police their own and Arthur's words aren't specific. All of the CPU in the background of panel one have the extra blue co-processor that we've only seen on Robot. Kat implied that she'd never seen it on other CPU, but maybe it isn't that rare. Shipbot didn't have one. |
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Post by todd on Jun 30, 2017 12:41:38 GMT
Interesting though, they want to leave but are being prevented. Trouble in the Ranks indeed. I wonder if the story is going to delve more into the internal strife and divisions within the Court soon. I wonder how much of that wish to leave comes from Court disapproval of human-robot romance, and how much comes from other matters. Could she also be uneasy about many of the Court's official policies? A further ominous note - Jeanne was also trying to flee the Court with a lover who was of a "different people" (though in this case, one of the forest-folk, even more of an outsider. |
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Post by kayback on Jun 30, 2017 13:02:26 GMT
Didn't Robot/S13 leave?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 13:06:01 GMT
Well, he was sent back into the Court by Ysengrin, and destroyed into paperclips afterwards -- except for his CPU, which remained under "study".
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 30, 2017 13:14:31 GMT
Will this somehow convince the court not to prevent Arthur from leaving? Do they only prevent really real robots from leaving? I doubt it, but it might deprive them from the means to do it. There's probably some mechanism in the robot's bodies that warns the Court when they try to leave. There was no alarm going off when Robot left the Court in his original S13 body. However, when Annie left school grounds, the siren immediately started blaring. Also, if the robot's bodies had such a mechanism, the Court is full of people who could build new bodies without built-in surveillance. If their CPUs are bugged, however, not even a biological body would help. Robot's original body was paperclipped after he returned, but by then he had been in the Forest for several months. I'm pretty sure the Court would have done something about one of their robots being in the Forest, had they known about it. |
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Post by arf on Jun 30, 2017 13:30:38 GMT
This is the second "Anakriggism" in a week. I know they paperclipped his body when he returned, but why didn't the Court apprehend Robot when he tried to cross the Bridge with Shadow? Was it because he was supposedly deactivated, and therefore not on the radar?
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 30, 2017 13:35:20 GMT
Who forcibly reprograms or destroys robots that try to leave? The Court seemed to leave the bots to police their own and Arthur's words aren't specific. I'm betting the Court lets the robots deal with their own "malfunctioning" brethren. The Angel's presence aside, they took care of the Shipbot fiasco internally (sort of). I wonder if the robots always had the internal drive (pun intended), to go beyond the Court's boundaries. Sometimes, they seem more like "souls in a jar" that Diego trapped, or livestock the Seed Bismuth transformed, rather than complicated machines. Perhaps, I just don't want to give Diego credit. Maybe, this chapter will give us some answers, along with new questions. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 30, 2017 13:38:56 GMT
This is the second "Anakriggism" in a week. I know they paperclipped his body when he returned, but why didn't the Court apprehend Robot when he tried to cross the Bridge with Shadow? Was it because he was supposedly deactivated, and therefore not on the radar? Maybe, it's been injected into their "programming" to "want" to return to the Court, so the Court doesn't even have to track them. |
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Post by jda on Jun 30, 2017 14:46:00 GMT
This is the second "Anakriggism" in a week. I know they paperclipped his body when he returned, but why didn't the Court apprehend Robot when he tried to cross the Bridge with Shadow? Was it because he was supposedly deactivated, and therefore not on the radar? Maybe, it's been injected into their "programming" to "want" to return to the Court, so the Court doesn't even have to track them. Maybe it has more to do with negligence on imagining a Robot would want to GO TO THE FOREST, and a slight chance it was not "detected" as malfunction since a Human gave the order. Or in Annie's childish perspective, there was no notice of it. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 30, 2017 15:59:42 GMT
Maybe, it's been injected into their "programming" to "want" to return to the Court, so the Court doesn't even have to track them. Maybe it has more to do with negligence on imagining a Robot would want to GO TO THE FOREST, and a slight chance it was not "detected" as malfunction since a Human gave the order. Or in Annie's childish perspective, there was no notice of it. Or the Court doesn't care if robots go into the forest and infect it with technology, as long as Coyote doesn't complain. The prohibition on leaving may only apply if a robot tries going to the regular world. There has to be some exception to the probibition on robots leaving the Court or Shipbot would not have taken students on cruises. Maybe it was okay for him because he wasn't making port calls in the regular world. |
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Post by davidm on Jun 30, 2017 22:27:12 GMT
This is the second "Anakriggism" in a week. I know they paperclipped his body when he returned, but why didn't the Court apprehend Robot when he tried to cross the Bridge with Shadow? Was it because he was supposedly deactivated, and therefore not on the radar? We've just had a faction that hid info from the court, not hard to imagine this faction or other doing similar in past. As well court sometimes likes to pretend not to notice and watch results of experiments (eg spider Jack). Once robot is in forest, may be harder to do something even if noticed, as coyote and friends can counter, or treat actions as court invading forest. Robot being sent back controlled by forest shadow men shows one reason why policy might be in place. The terminator movies give another reason. |
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Post by brokshi on Jun 30, 2017 23:50:44 GMT
Yes, leaving the court against their wishes worked so well for Tony, it'll definitely go smoothly for this pair.
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Post by todd on Jul 1, 2017 0:02:50 GMT
This is the second "Anakriggism" in a week. I know they paperclipped his body when he returned, but why didn't the Court apprehend Robot when he tried to cross the Bridge with Shadow? Was it because he was supposedly deactivated, and therefore not on the radar? Maybe Tom simply hadn't worked out enough details about how the Court runs things when he wrote that chapter to realize that they would most likely become aware of it. It was the very first chapter. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 1, 2017 1:56:16 GMT
This is the second "Anakriggism" in a week. I know they paperclipped his body when he returned, but why didn't the Court apprehend Robot when he tried to cross the Bridge with Shadow? Was it because he was supposedly deactivated, and therefore not on the radar? or maybe because S13/Robot was put back together from bits and pieces (in-expertly) by Annie, and she left out the surveillance part(?) or maybe Seraphs, as an older model, don't have it? |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 1, 2017 1:59:21 GMT
Or the Court doesn't care if robots go into the forest and infect it with technology, as long as Coyote doesn't complain. The prohibition on leaving may only apply if a robot tries going to the regular world. though Rey seemed pretty upset when he heard Annie had sent S13 into the Forest... |
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Post by todd on Jul 1, 2017 2:55:10 GMT
What is an "Anakriggism"?
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Post by saardvark on Jul 1, 2017 2:57:36 GMT
What is an "Anakriggism"? = anachronism (in Gunnerkrigg-land) I think.... |
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Post by avurai on Jul 1, 2017 5:12:09 GMT
Or the whole kerfuffle with S13 is why this rule exists in the first place.
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Post by phantaskippy on Jul 1, 2017 12:24:37 GMT
A few thoughts:
No other robots seem even inclined to leave the court. I would think the extra part of Robot's CPU is either something that made him more curious, or blocks some part of programming, either blocks a desire to stay or maybe a tracking mechanism.
While we are interacting with the shadow men from the court, I'm remembering that Shadow needed robot to carry him across the bridge because he couldn't cross the waters because of Jeanne. Jeanne isn't there, shadow men (the actual shadow ones) can cross to and from the court, and they can take over robots. Weird stuff could be coming.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 1, 2017 13:01:24 GMT
While we are interacting with the shadow men from the court, I'm remembering that Shadow needed robot to carry him across the bridge because he couldn't cross the waters because of Jeanne. Jeanne isn't there, shadow men (the actual shadow ones) can cross to and from the court, and they can take over robots. Weird stuff could be coming. Pretty sure the possession worked only because of the special Gillitie-magic-arm that Ysengrin had planted into Robot's body. Another question yet to be answered since chapter 1: Who disassembled Robot and hid the parts in that storage room in the first place? Other regular robots would have destroyed the body and taken the CPU, so it must have been either a rogue robot or a human(-ish) denizen of the Court. Did Annie ever ask him? |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 1, 2017 14:25:15 GMT
Who forcibly reprograms or destroys robots that try to leave? The Court seemed to leave the bots to police their own and Arthur's words aren't specific. Exactly. It's probably left entirely to the robots. Perhaps mostly the Seraphs at that? I take it, "who forcibly reprograms" is a rhetoric question? Seeing how human-readable translation of late generations golem code doesn't exist at all. I doubt it, but it might deprive them from the means to do it. There's probably some mechanism in the robot's bodies that warns the Court when they try to leave. There was no alarm going off when Robot left the Court in his original S13 body. However, when Annie left school grounds, the siren immediately started blaring. ...because it was made by humans and for an unrelated purpose. Probably with specific targets in mind. Humans and critters, yes, but not necessarily glass-eyed shadows - those can't cross the bridge alone anyway. And not robots, because why would they go there at all? Except those eloping with girlfriends, but then it's already covered too. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 1, 2017 17:04:46 GMT
Who forcibly reprograms or destroys robots that try to leave? The Court seemed to leave the bots to police their own and Arthur's words aren't specific. Exactly. It's probably left entirely to the robots. Perhaps mostly the Seraphs at that? I take it, "who forcibly reprograms" is a rhetoric question? Seeing how human-readable translation of late generations golem code doesn't exist at all. Maybe a human engineer can put overrides into the robots and make them essentially trapped in their own bodies, forever being able to only silently follow commands. :-O |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 1, 2017 18:44:27 GMT
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Post by faiiry on Jul 1, 2017 20:45:30 GMT
Juliette is crying in panel 5. I feel sympathetic towards this Shakespearen couple. Clearly they're willing to risk a lot for their forbidden romance, like the threat of being turned into paperclips (see page 212).
As for Juliette, who knows how they would punish her for her attempt to leave in such a way? Surely they wouldn't turn HER into paperclips - that would be gruesome. But I do have a feeling that this won't end happily for these poor lovers.
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