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Post by bedinsis on Jun 9, 2017 7:04:21 GMT
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Post by Nepycros on Jun 9, 2017 7:11:35 GMT
... They don't know about Jeanne. Oh dear.
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Post by arf on Jun 9, 2017 7:35:56 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 9, 2017 8:07:03 GMT
A standard tactic in getting information out of a subject is to confront them with a piece of info and then gauge their reaction. I figure that Juliette is probably telling the truth (about not knowing the purpose of why the scooby gang mobilized) because of how Kat reacted in the last page (not knowing about their "shadow men" organization and then getting caught in a lie and, on this page, looking slightly panicked as a result). Most people who would react as Kat did would not be likely to lie further... at least not subtly or successfully. However, Juliette may or may not be telling the truth about not informing the rest of the "shadow men" or she may have no intention of failing to report later, whatever she tells Kat. And she may have no choice since she mentioned that she knew that the gang's departure was "unauthorized." Even if Juliette used back channels to check, that inquiry should raise an alarm if the Court is competent. Regardless, saying that the rest of the "shadow men" don't know about her "activities" (unclear if this includes Shadow or not) should be enough motivation to make Kat come clean therefore Juliette doesn't seem to have a reason to lie about not knowing about the Jeanne incident. Kat's best move would be to stall for time to come up with a plausible cover story but I doubt Juliette, even if she is going easy on them because they're kids, will let her. Kat's second-best play is to cough up the basic plan but short the details, such Jeanne's function as Court guardian and ambassador Smitface getting nearly killed. They just freed a trapped ghost near the Annan for humanitarian reasons, she could say. But if she's panicked then she won't think of that.
But where does that leave us after Kat spills the beans? Assuming that Juliette wishes to draw Kat into the Court's research program, she'll probably offer to either keep silent in return for Kat's cooperation, or to offer some sort of leniency to the scooby gang. Since this was A Big Deal (a secret mission to the border of a historically-hostile power that badly affected Court security in a huge way and involved actual combat and a casualty) the scooby gang arguably just ran their own black op. If Juliette doesn't report this when she finds out then she is not doing her job. However, considering that they're just kids, she might settle for reporting selected details if she's sure that the "ring" is no longer active so I am figuring that's what will happen.
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Post by csj on Jun 9, 2017 10:04:37 GMT
Juliette may or may not be telling the truth about not informing the rest of the "shadow men" She can inform higher echelons of the Court while keeping this statement truthful. Definitely a leadup to some form of 'offer' - dare I say recruitment. Despite Ms Robot Angel's work, I see Annie's ties to the Forest as being the main motivation for targeting Kat - her strongest friend. |
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Post by fish on Jun 9, 2017 10:16:06 GMT
I am interested in the relationship between Arthur and Robot.
Right now Arthur has the higher ground, being from this secret organisation and presumably having some authority (and Robot is just a head on a table). But what will happen once Robot goes out to preach again (which he undoubtedly will)? Will Arthur be marked as a heretic? Will Robot manage to justify violence against this non believer who dared to call the prophet a rogue robot? Or will Arthur turn out to be a loyal follower of the Angel after all, playing a double game to get Kat further along her path? And how will the "danger of a tool" from a few pages ago come into play?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 9, 2017 10:21:22 GMT
Juliette may or may not be telling the truth about not informing the rest of the "shadow men" She can inform higher echelons of the Court while keeping this statement truthful. True but bypassing your superiors to have that sort of conversation would normally have serious repercussions even if you're giving them all the facts. [Assumption my part: She is not the head of the "shadow men"] Right now Arthur has the higher ground, being from this secret organisation and presumably having some authority (and Robot is just a head on a table). But what will happen once Robot goes out to preach again (which he undoubtedly will)? Will Arthur be marked as a heretic? Will Robot manage to justify violence against this non believer who dared to call the prophet a rogue robot? Or will Arthur turn out to be a loyal follower of the Angel after all, playing a double game to get Kat further along her path? And how will the "danger of a tool" from a few pages ago come into play? I doubt Robot will take independent action (yet or in the near future) as he is a robot, but if he has to watch Kat get bullied he's not going to forget it. Of course once he gets more flesh then all bets are off. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 9, 2017 10:29:40 GMT
So, either Arthur isn't a Follower of Kat (yet) or he thinks Juliette doesn't need to worry about robots' business. Which she didn't mention, by the way. A standard tactic in getting information out of a subject is to confront them with a piece of info and then gauge their reaction. I figure that Juliette is probably telling the truth (about not knowing the purpose of why the scooby gang mobilized) because of how Kat reacted in the last page (not knowing about their "shadow men" organization and then getting caught in a lie and, on this page, looking slightly panicked as a result). Or they are interested in something else entirely and this simply happened to be a recent transgression that could be used for a demonstration of being informed / veiled blackmail / token of goodwill. Or a lead for the important part. For all we know, they could have approached Kat mostly because they need someone both sneaky and creative, and she seems to have a good score in both parameters (plus attitude not contradicting whatever their goals are, or they'll claim are). They are a secret faction within a secret society within the Court, after all. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jun 9, 2017 10:56:38 GMT
Well crap, they now have leverage on Kat and the others.
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Post by saardvark on Jun 9, 2017 11:09:03 GMT
there is only so far they can push an unwilling Kat though, before she has an entire army of robot disciples to defend her. J&A must play their cards carefully, but it is not yet clear what the game actually is.....
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 9, 2017 11:32:45 GMT
Or a lead for the important part. For all we know, they could have approached Kat mostly because they need someone both sneaky and creative, and she seems to have a good score in both parameters (plus attitude not contradicting whatever their goals are, or they'll claim are). Kat isn't coming off as terribly sneaky in these last few pages. Sure, there could be something else that the "shadow men" are interested in but if it were just recruitment then they'd probably go through the school. Kat's good for programming and robotics and gadgets. She might also be good for leverage against Antimony. What else? I doubt they care much about her being an angel to the Court robots at this point; it just doesn't affect anything. "Goddess" might be another story but they shouldn't know about that. But they waited until Antimony was gone to talk to Kat (presumably because Antimony would be more useful to Kat as moral support than she would as something Juliette could play off against Kat) and, unless it took place outside the comic, they haven't talked to the protagonist. I'm guessing the former-faeries were viewed as mere muscle in Antimony's scheme (as well as being unpredictable) and Parsmit are older and have powers so Kat would be the weak link, therefore it's probable that they haven't approached any of the other kids yet. It's possible that they're actually after leverage to use against another kid, say, get Kat to spill details and then use them to shove Antimony back into line (or have enough dirt to expel her), but then that would break the Court's arrangement with Antimony's dad. If there is something about the other kids that would make them the target then I'm not aware of it. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 9, 2017 11:34:26 GMT
Factions within factions, secrets within secrets, and probably lies within lies. All with the best of intentions of course! Juliette and Arthur are keeping secrets from the shadow men. So, either Arthur isn't a Follower of Kat (yet) or he thinks Juliette doesn't need to worry about robots' business. Which she didn't mention, by the way. I want to think that Arthur is keeping the Robo Cult a secret from Juliette. We only saw him report on the progress of Kat's work and Shadow. He listened to Robot's preaching, but we didn't see him include that in his report. In this page Arthur refers to Robot as a rogue Court robot, but Robot was already considered a rogue before Annie met him and he's left the Court not once but twice. Arthur may just be acknowledging what Juliette already knows while keeping the Robo Cult and its Mecha Angel to himself. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jun 9, 2017 13:03:56 GMT
"We even know that yourself, Antimony, George Parley, Andrew Smith, and several others..." by "several" you mean Red and Ayilu*? or is it possible they don't have all the fact...or WE don't...?
*and also Zoidberg
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Post by fish on Jun 9, 2017 13:24:13 GMT
I want to think that Arthur is keeping the Robo Cult a secret from Juliette. We only saw him report on the progress of Kat's work and Shadow. He listened to Robot's preaching, but we didn't see him include that in his report. In this page Arthur refers to Robot as a rogue Court robot, but Robot was already considered a rogue before Annie met him and he's left the Court not once but twice. Arthur may just be acknowledging what Juliette already knows while keeping the Robo Cult and its Mecha Angel to himself. At the end of the chapter a clandestine meeting between Robot and Arthur: "Everything is going according to plan." |
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 9, 2017 13:44:38 GMT
I want to think that Arthur is keeping the Robo Cult a secret from Juliette. We only saw him report on the progress of Kat's work and Shadow. He listened to Robot's preaching, but we didn't see him include that in his report. In this page Arthur refers to Robot as a rogue Court robot, but Robot was already considered a rogue before Annie met him and he's left the Court not once but twice. Arthur may just be acknowledging what Juliette already knows while keeping the Robo Cult and its Mecha Angel to himself. At the end of the chapter a clandestine meeting between Robot and Arthur: "Everything is going according to plan." A rogue group within a "secret" group shouldn't instill trust, by any means, but it could indicate they're acting on their own accord, in reaching out to Kat. I'm betting the situation is the SM investigating increased Forest Shadowmen activity, but maybe she's acting on a more personal reason. Perhaps, she'll want a body for Arthur, in return for their silence. A bleeding-edge body, that blurs the line between robots and Ether, using Kat's new knowledge. If that happens, I'd imagine Robot would ultimately be behind it. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 9, 2017 13:55:08 GMT
A standard tactic in getting information out of a subject is to confront them with a piece of info and then gauge their reaction. I figure that Juliette is probably telling the truth (about not knowing the purpose of why the scooby gang mobilized) because of how Kat reacted in the last page (not knowing about their "shadow men" organization and then getting caught in a lie and, on this page, looking slightly panicked as a result). Most people who would react as Kat did would not be likely to lie further... at least not subtly or successfully. However, Juliette may or may not be telling the truth about not informing the rest of the "shadow men" or she may have no intention of failing to report later, whatever she tells Kat. And she may have no choice since she mentioned that she knew that the gang's departure was "unauthorized." Even if Juliette used back channels to check, that inquiry should raise an alarm if the Court is competent. Regardless, saying that the rest of the "shadow men" don't know about her "activities" (unclear if this includes Shadow or not) should be enough motivation to make Kat come clean therefore Juliette doesn't seem to have a reason to lie about not knowing about the Jeanne incident. Kat's best move would be to stall for time to come up with a plausible cover story but I doubt Juliette, even if she is going easy on them because they're kids, will let her. Kat's second-best play is to cough up the basic plan but short the details, such Jeanne's function as Court guardian and ambassador Smitface getting nearly killed. They just freed a trapped ghost near the Annan for humanitarian reasons, she could say. But if she's panicked then she won't think of that. But where does that leave us after Kat spills the beans? Assuming that Juliette wishes to draw Kat into the Court's research program, she'll probably offer to either keep silent in return for Kat's cooperation, or to offer some sort of leniency to the scooby gang. Since this was A Big Deal (a secret mission to the border of a historically-hostile power that badly affected Court security in a huge way and involved actual combat and a casualty) the scooby gang arguably just ran their own black op. If Juliette doesn't report this when she finds out then she is not doing her job. However, considering that they're just kids, she might settle for reporting selected details if she's sure that the "ring" is no longer active so I am figuring that's what will happen. Well thought. However, I have one thing to nitpick about your post: Juliette did not claim not to know why the Scooby Gang left the school grounds, she merely said they left, unauthorized, and does not address the reasons. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 9, 2017 13:58:04 GMT
there is only so far they can push an unwilling Kat though, before she has an entire army of robot disciples to defend her. J&A must play their cards carefully, but it is not yet clear what the game actually is..... Correct me if I am forgetting something, but I cannot remember any in-comic evidence yet that Kat would be willing to use the robots as an army, or even considers them her "disciples". She lets them help her in her research, but to me she only seems to be interested in her scientific goals and helping her robotic friend, not in power or commanding robots around. Which speaks for her character. I would be severely disappointed if Kat would start using the robots as her personal lackeys to fight (by extension) against the organization her own parents are part of. |
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Post by faiiry on Jun 9, 2017 14:36:16 GMT
I told you guys. I said that Kat and Antimony and the rest of them weren't adequately considering the consequences of their actions. Didn't I say?!?! Kat actually seems surprised that she's being confronted, as if we don't already know that the court tracks people through their food. As if Antimony wasn't given that information, oh, approximately 150 chapters in advance. These kids are so careless it's not even funny. They should have been expecting this.
In any case, I think one line on this page is funny. "Yourself, Antimony, George Parley, Andrew Smith and several others." Ha. Red and Ayilu don't even deserve to have their names said out loud. Ha.
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 9, 2017 15:39:46 GMT
... They don't know about Jeanne. Oh dear. I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but why do you think that? Factions within factions, secrets within secrets, and probably lies within lies. All with the best of intentions of course! Juliette and Arthur are keeping secrets from the shadow men. So, either Arthur isn't a Follower of Kat (yet) or he thinks Juliette doesn't need to worry about robots' business. Which she didn't mention, by the way. I want to think that Arthur is keeping the Robo Cult a secret from Juliette. We only saw him report on the progress of Kat's work and Shadow. He listened to Robot's preaching, but we didn't see him include that in his report. In this page Arthur refers to Robot as a rogue Court robot, but Robot was already considered a rogue before Annie met him and he's left the Court not once but twice. Arthur may just be acknowledging what Juliette already knows while keeping the Robo Cult and its Mecha Angel to himself. Honestly, I hope they're not keeping secrets from each other. I've loved the concept of a friendly relationship between a human and robot who work as colleagues ever since they were first introduced. |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 9, 2017 16:53:40 GMT
there is only so far they can push an unwilling Kat though, before she has an entire army of robot disciples to defend her. J&A must play their cards carefully, but it is not yet clear what the game actually is..... Correct me if I am forgetting something, but I cannot remember any in-comic evidence yet that Kat would be willing to use the robots as an army, or even considers them her "disciples". She lets them help her in her research, but to me she only seems to be interested in her scientific goals and helping her robotic friend, not in power or commanding robots around. Which speaks for her character. I would be severely disappointed if Kat would start using the robots as her personal lackeys to fight (by extension) against the organization her own parents are part of. Oh, I totally agree with you! I was thinking that the robots would support/defend Kat of their own volition, to defend their Angel, quite without her asking (or perhaps even wanting). Rather like they leapt to her rescue in Torn Sea, without any request on her part (just an alert from Annie). She doesnt consider them "disciples", but they are, like it or not, thanks to Robot's cultish interpretation of her actions (and her Mecha-Angelic form)... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 9, 2017 19:00:00 GMT
I have one thing to nitpick about your post: Juliette did not claim not to know why the Scooby Gang left the school grounds, she merely said they left, unauthorized, and does not address the reasons. True enough, I should have said Juliette positions herself as if she does not know (and for the reasons I mentioned probably really doesn't know this time). Juliette had no reason to tell Kat about the "shadow men" other than to leave Kat an opening in which Kat would probably try to lie; Kat is supposed to now be wondering how much Juliette knows and to be less confident in her (Kat's) own ability to deceive. |
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Post by Nepycros on Jun 10, 2017 8:03:39 GMT
... They don't know about Jeanne. Oh dear. I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but why do you think that? What these two are doing is leveraging the amount of knowledge they have to force compliance. Either they'll demonstrate their trustworthiness by sweeping all this under the rug, or they'll coerce Kat into doing covert activities for them under threat of having their secrets revealed. In this case, when confronting a bunch of teenagers, not pointing out that you know they freed an evil ghost thingy from its prison down in the ravine is giving them a card to play. It gives them the idea that the consequences of their actions aren't known, just the activities leading up to them. In almost all cases, the Shadow Men would want to show how good their intelligence gathering is, but they left out Jeanne. If this is intentional, it's bad practice in manipulative techniques. If it's not intentional, then that means the Shadow Men know nothing about Jeanne's return to the ether, so they don't know that they are missing crucial information. The vibe I get from them is that they believe they already have all the pertinent information. Leaving out Jeanne suggests they have absolutely no idea about Kat/Annie's excursion with Jeanne. Look at the panel where the woman states "...Unauthorized, I might add." This is a common tactic of holding the most crucial bit of information to the end and revealing it with the kind of nonchalance suggesting the omniscience or overwhelming data gathering ability of the Court. Additionally, the Shadow Men are an organization tied to the secrets of the Court clearly (they can operate the etheric stations), but they don't carry with them the kind of scholarly wisdom associated with the lore of the court's foundation, or its skeletons in the closet. They look more like an organization built to hush up the occasionally disastrous events where etheric beings run amok. After all, to much of the Court, magic and the ether is as far removed from reality as any fairy tale. You can't maintain that kind of illusion without a group dedicated to misdirection and damage control. Most importantly, the only individual who knew about Annie's interest in Jeanne was Jones, who is nonpartisan. Annie/Kat could have a million and one reasons for leaving the Court grounds and breaking school rules, which the Court can only guess at. Freeing Jeanne is supposed to be an impossible task, and one which requires knowledge that has been destroyed across nearly all records. The Court may simply not even consider it a possibility that a bunch of kids and a robot somehow put a stop to their biggest blunder. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jun 10, 2017 8:50:03 GMT
Well thought. However, I have one thing to nitpick about your post: Juliette did not claim not to know why the Scooby Gang left the school grounds, she merely said they left, unauthorized, and does not address the reasons. Yeah I get the impression Juliette and Robomeo over there are merely using this fact to impress upon Kat that they are thorough, well-informed, and very interested in her actions. Remember she just said one page ago that the Shadow Men work in secret within the Court, and now she's said the two of them haven't shared their own intel with the rest of the Shadow Men. She's revealing to Kat, in her own way, that there are secrets within secrets. This is totally a pitch. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 10, 2017 12:33:42 GMT
Correct me if I am forgetting something, but I cannot remember any in-comic evidence yet that Kat would be willing to use the robots as an army, or even considers them her "disciples". She lets them help her in her research, but to me she only seems to be interested in her scientific goals and helping her robotic friend, not in power or commanding robots around. Which speaks for her character. I would be severely disappointed if Kat would start using the robots as her personal lackeys to fight (by extension) against the organization her own parents are part of. Oh, I totally agree with you! I was thinking that the robots would support/defend Kat of their own volition, to defend their Angel, quite without her asking (or perhaps even wanting). Rather like they leapt to her rescue in Torn Sea, without any request on her part (just an alert from Annie). She doesnt consider them "disciples", but they are, like it or not, thanks to Robot's cultish interpretation of her actions (and her Mecha-Angelic form)... Ah, now I understand! Yes, that's a possibility. It would be very interesting to see how much the robots consider themselves a part of the Court. Concerning the question whether Arthur is really a dedicated member of the robo-cult. I don't think so. If he were, he wouldn't have reported about Shadow2, whom he saw clearly to be a friend of the cult leader. I interpret this differently. That the trip was unauthorized is not a crucial bit of information. If the trip had been authorized, it wouldn't have been any problem to just look up everything about it in the official files...and it wouldn't have been the Shadow Men's business. To me, emphasizing that the Scooby Gang left the school grounds unauthorized serves the purpose of threat, since it contains an unsaid "you know that you would be punished for this, don't you?" |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 10, 2017 20:11:31 GMT
Well thought. However, I have one thing to nitpick about your post: Juliette did not claim not to know why the Scooby Gang left the school grounds, she merely said they left, unauthorized, and does not address the reasons. Yeah I get the impression Juliette and Robomeo over there are merely using this fact to impress upon Kat that they are thorough, well-informed, and very interested in her actions. Remember she just said one page ago that the Shadow Men work in secret within the Court, and now she's said the two of them haven't shared their own intel with the rest of the Shadow Men. She's revealing to Kat, in her own way, that there are secrets within secrets. This is totally a pitch. It's both Juliette representing herself as a very useful potential-ally and a threat if Kat doesn't cooperate, and it's very likely the lead-up to a pitch for Kat to join the official Court research program. But maybe more interesting for the plot, I think Juliette is likely to insist that Kat kick Antimony to the curb as a bad influence once she knows the details as a condition of giving Antimony absolution or leniency (so it'll be for Antimony's own good, allegedly). And if that happens, whether Kat explains to Antimony what's happening or no, it may lead to Antimony and Kat reevaluating their friendship in a way that could be similar to what happened to Red and Ayilu. I interpret this differently. That the trip was unauthorized is not a crucial bit of information. If the trip had been authorized, it wouldn't have been any problem to just look up everything about it in the official files...and it wouldn't have been the Shadow Men's business. To me, emphasizing that the Scooby Gang left the school grounds unauthorized serves the purpose of threat, since it contains an unsaid "you know that you would be punished for this, don't you?" And leaving the threat unsaid to materialize in Kat's brain is good technique because stating it openly would make Kat think that she can't be converted into an ally through cooperation. That said, if Juliette's telling the truth about not informing the "shadow men" about Kat's activities I hope that she's at least informed them she's going to interview Kat and apply pressure. The scooby gang includes Renard (the known killer) and the kids mostly have powers; two of them are highly placed at Court and Antimony's the Woods medium and a favorite of Coyote. Sure, they're kids (except for Renard) but if the plan to isolate Kat and squeeze her for info goes south by another player showing up (or there's a bigger conspiracy afoot than she thinks) then it could backfire, in that if Arthur and Juliette happen to disappear the problem goes away. |
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Post by todd on Jun 11, 2017 0:12:17 GMT
It strikes me that while the Court (we now know) found out about Annie and Co.'s expedition to free Jeanne, it did nothing to prevent it. Maybe not surprising, given that the Court leadership evidently didn't know about Jeanne - thanks to the Founders' cover-up. And still doing nothing more with it than Juliette and Arthur hangimg it over Kat's head (and we don't even know whether this is with the agreement, consent, or knowledge of the members of the Inner Circle like the Headmaster).
Perhaps they've recognized that moving openly against Annie and Co. is more trouble than it's worth. They don't want another visit from Coyote and more buildings getting knocked down. They certainly wouldn't want a robot uprising to protest Kat's punishment (assuming they know or suspect about the robot religion movement). Not to mention that the "offense" was freeing a couple of unjustly imprisoned ghosts whose murder and imprisonment had been the result of a misdeed that the Founders committed and then covered up - if the Court leadership found out the whole story, they'd know they definitely wouldn 't want this to get out, and especially wouldn't want to gtive anyone the impression that they approved of keeping Jeanne and the green man down there, tortured, unable to move on, Jeanne corrupted into a murderous ghost who'd strike anyone down, Court or Forest. (We know how much the Court's leadrs cover up everything duplicitious they do. Murder Jeanne - cover it up to such an extent that her name's even omitted from the records. Deceive Reynardine so that they can trap him? They must have kept that from becoming common knowledge, since Annie didn't even find out about it until near the end of her second year at the Court. Try controlling Annie because of her friendship with the forest-folk? They: a) make it look as if it's about her cheating, using that as the "public reason", and b) use Anthony as the front man so that everybody upset about it would blame him. I wouldn't be surprised if the Court's got even more guilty secrets hidden away in its closets somewhere.)
So they might have decided that controlling them is safer than, say, trying to expel them. (And Juliette's action may also suggest here that the Court leadership is not united - it could be a case of lots of little factions all scheming against each other in secret for private advantage.)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 11, 2017 8:17:39 GMT
I'm not sure that the Court had enough info about the plan to free Jeanne to make an informed decision on if they wanted to stop it or no. If they were only monitoring students through their food and keeping tabs on Kat's work they *might* have been able to crunch the data about patterns of movement to figure out that Antimony's cell (aka the scooby gang) had something big in the works, but Kat's device would likely be inscrutable without obtaining same or at least the plans. And if they did know what it did it's etheric-related, which isn't really the Court's bag. Even if the kid's dorms were bugged they were probably baffled by the enigmatic references since they didn't know who Jeanne was. It's more likely that they (likely these two "shadow men" in particular) put the pieces together after the fact. Maybe they can track George's teleportation within the Court and maybe not; if she only stays somewhere briefly then it might not be enough time for the system to triangulate her. Either way the unusual activity and the disappearance plus the odd piece of missing gear and equipment during the run-up would have provided enough clues to explain what Juliette has said so far, but putting those clues together in time to be actionable would have been difficult. I figure the "shadow men" didn't know where the gang was going or what they were doing but figured they wouldn't do too much damage, and that perhaps the fallout from the incident would make good leverage, therefore they didn't interfere... or even assign more assets before the fact in an attempt to discern what was about to happen. And the Court, if it even made a decision, got its information from the "shadow men."
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 11, 2017 10:11:46 GMT
The scooby gang includes Renard (the known killer) Who, as I do not tire to point out, has been conspiciously absent from the story for more than five chapters now. I still want to know why he did not come down into the ravine to help, and what he has to say to all this business! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 11, 2017 10:26:54 GMT
The scooby gang includes Renard (the known killer) Who, as I do not tire to point, has been conspiciously absent from the story for more than five chapters now. I still want to know why he did not come down into the ravine to help, and what he has to say to all this business! I'll wildly speculate that they hid the plan from Renard since he couldn't do anything to help (except be a meatshield) but he'd probably insist on coming (like Red did) since Antimony was going. If the plan went south then everyone on the shore would likely be screwed. Unless he's got some power that I don't know about he could only buy a few more seconds and that would probably make no difference. |
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Post by keef on Jun 11, 2017 13:34:22 GMT
The scooby gang includes Renard (the known killer) Who, as I do not tire to point out, has been conspiciously absent from the story for more than five chapters now. I still want to know why he did not come down into the ravine to help, and what he has to say to all this business! My guess is Annie made sure he didn't know about "operation free Jeanne" because he would've protested (correctly) it was a stupid and dangerous plan. And as imaginaryfriend said he couldn't do much to assist anyway. Someone probably mentioned this, but he is shown asleep last treatise (with a faceless Paz sitting next to him). |
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