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Post by Daedalus on Jan 27, 2017 8:00:28 GMT
An enigmatic answer.Presumably they want her to become a psychopomp officially. Also, Tom's a wonderful human being for including a link to the "BAP" page.
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Post by drdave on Jan 27, 2017 8:05:35 GMT
what is this price?
was that mentioned somewhere?
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Post by bedinsis on Jan 27, 2017 8:07:05 GMT
Okay, now I am intrigued. What kind of price would accepting their help entail?
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Post by snowflake on Jan 27, 2017 8:14:46 GMT
I dislike the framing saying Annie risked others' lives, as though she'd unleashed Jeanne on unsuspecting civilians. Kat and Parley got pulled into the Jeanne obsession because of what they saw: Annie didn't force them into it and didn't even try to persuade them. Andrew chose to help because he could, and maybe because he felt he owed a debt to Jeanne.
If anything, the fairies could be said to have been manipulated into it, since Blue was promised a reward and didn't go on the mission for its own sake.
EDIT: Annie did ask Smitty to toss her blinker stone into the ravine. Everything else followed as a result. Can that be interpreted as her original sin, inevitably leading Smitty into danger?
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jan 27, 2017 8:16:37 GMT
Okay, now I am intrigued. What kind of price would accepting their help entail? They want to transfer a large sum of money out of the aether, but they need Annie to wire them enough cash that they can use to bribe a bank official in order to release the funds. Annie will of course be given a generous percentage of the total when the transfer is complete. |
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Post by alexsl on Jan 27, 2017 8:19:48 GMT
Wow, that doesn't sound ominous AT ALL...
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Post by Vuk(Wolf) on Jan 27, 2017 8:21:40 GMT
It's the bone thing Annie's father did for Surma!...
I find myself thinking of.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 27, 2017 8:22:46 GMT
Eh who needs boring doctors and Court technology when you can get 'pomps to heal in return for the price? That's way better than getting in trouble for doing risky stuff without adult supervision.
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Post by tiberius on Jan 27, 2017 8:27:26 GMT
An enigmatic answer.Presumably they want her to become a psychopomp officially. Also, Tom's a wonderful human being for including a link to the "BAP" page. question might be, what would happen to her in case she agrees. Would she lose her role as forest medium? What would the court say to have an official psychopomp student and how would her father react? Speaking of her father, I guess she is thinking which would be worse. Teleporting Andrew and the gang to him or to agree with Muut. |
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Post by intotheether on Jan 27, 2017 8:33:25 GMT
Well, so much for a code, oh honorable psychopomps.
I suppose all those times you said "We don't interfere in the affairs of the living", you forgot the second half of that statement-"....unless it directly benefits us."
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Post by agasa on Jan 27, 2017 8:59:38 GMT
I would love to see Coyote's reaction to all this. I'm assuming he's all-watching, and he's probably pissing himself off with laughter.
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Post by kralex on Jan 27, 2017 9:04:33 GMT
<.<
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Post by Sauzels on Jan 27, 2017 9:12:41 GMT
The price is 1 smile
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Post by calpal on Jan 27, 2017 9:24:59 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 27, 2017 9:25:48 GMT
It occurs to me Muut didn't say Smitface is dying, just that they can heal him. Well, so much for a code, oh honorable psychopomps. I suppose all those times you said "We don't interfere in the affairs of the living", you forgot the second half of that statement-"....unless it directly benefits us." I wonder if in this case healing Smitty wouldn't change his fate. |
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Post by Gulby on Jan 27, 2017 9:36:39 GMT
I also think it's the official psychopomp thingy. Or... The hairclip, for whatever seemingly trivial reason.
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Post by keef on Jan 27, 2017 9:42:24 GMT
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Post by turion on Jan 27, 2017 10:03:32 GMT
So, Ms. Carver, if you'd sign here, here and here, please.
Actually, it's looking slightly as if someone was going elemental soon.
Also, her expression is getting closer and closer to my Avatar.
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Jan 27, 2017 10:15:50 GMT
Presumably they want her to become a psychopomp officially. That seems very likely. The real question is, is Kat going to have to shank a Muutherfu...ah, I,m just pissed off. Why would they want Annie in their ranks THIS MUCH anyway? |
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Post by aline on Jan 27, 2017 10:37:31 GMT
I dislike the framing saying Annie risked others' lives, as though she'd unleashed Jeanne on unsuspecting civilians. Kat and Parley got pulled into the Jeanne obsession because of what they saw: Annie didn't force them into it and didn't even try to persuade them. Andrew chose to help because he could, and maybe because he felt he owed a debt to Jeanne. If anything, the fairies could be said to have been manipulated into it, since Blue was promised a reward and didn't go on the mission for its own sake. EDIT: Annie did ask Smitty to toss her blinker stone into the ravine. Everything else followed as a result. Can that be interpreted as her original sin, inevitably leading Smitty into danger? No, I agree with you. There were only people with free will who knew what they were doing and the risks involved, and did this for their own reasons. Annie isn't guilty of risking anyone's lives. However the same can be said of the psychopomps. They did benefit from Team Annie's actions and are glad she helped but they are not responsible for Smitty's injuries and they do not owe anyone anything. You can't collect a debt when you were never requested or even asked to help.
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Post by drdave on Jan 27, 2017 10:37:40 GMT
they lost many of their ranks to jeanne.
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Post by Rasselas on Jan 27, 2017 10:41:17 GMT
Ohhhhhh man. The price. Someone's gonna have to take Smitty's wound, I bet. Smitty healed, but someone else still needs to suffer through it. Jones? >.<
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Jan 27, 2017 11:09:40 GMT
Ohhhhhh man. The price. Someone's gonna have to take Smitty's wound, I bet. Smitty healed, but someone else still needs to suffer through it. Jones? >.< Pretty sure Jones' immortality, or rather un-life for lack of a better word extends to taking a ghost-stab, and because it would have no effect, this scenario is very unlikely. She also said it herself, she has no connection to the ether. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 27, 2017 11:28:44 GMT
Ohhhhhh man. The price. Someone's gonna have to take Smitty's wound, I bet. Smitty healed, but someone else still needs to suffer through it. Jones? >.< Since Annie is the one who risked the lives of others, Anne is the one who has to pay the price. EDIT: Kat was scared of Ankou when she saw him in ROTD. Ankou is to Muut's right and either Kat hasn't noticed him or she's not letting her fear stop her righteous anger. |
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Post by todd on Jan 27, 2017 12:41:57 GMT
I think that the "price" isn't the Guides getting something from Annie in return for their own benefit, but that their intervention would come with an inevitable cost in some way by its nature - and that this might even be why they're not supposed to get involved in the affairs of the living. (To illustrate this, I read a fantasy book some years ago where a person is talking about the cost of magic in such terms as "If you steal a pie, someone else goes hungry.") Just what the cost would be I don't know - maybe someone in another part of the world dying who might have lived but for Annie's request. Maybe the loss of Andrew's abilities, making him an ordinary student henceforth. Whatever it is, we shall probably find out soon - at least, if Annie and Kat ask what it is rather than just agreeing to pay it and finding out afterwards.
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Post by unbalanced on Jan 27, 2017 13:35:07 GMT
You can't collect a debt when you were never requested or even asked to help.That's not exactly the situation though, is it? She was directly manipulated into discovering the situation and urged to solve it so that the psychopomps wouldn't have to. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 27, 2017 13:45:31 GMT
huh, Annie knows the price, eh? does that mean she tried to make the bargain before to save her mom? what price was so steep she wouldn't pay it to save her mom?
This kind of thing would be a life for a life, wouldn't it?
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Post by fia on Jan 27, 2017 13:49:56 GMT
I think that the "price" isn't the Guides getting something from Annie in return for their own benefit, but that their intervention would come with an inevitable cost in some way by its nature - and that this might even be why they're not supposed to get involved in the affairs of the living. (To illustrate this, I read a fantasy book some years ago where a person is talking about the cost of magic in such terms as "If you steal a pie, someone else goes hungry.") Just what the cost would be I don't know - maybe someone in another part of the world dying who might have lived but for Annie's request. Maybe the loss of Andrew's abilities, making him an ordinary student henceforth. Whatever it is, we shall probably find out soon - at least, if Annie and Kat ask what it is rather than just agreeing to pay it and finding out afterwards. Yes, there is a series I loved called xxxHolic that was basically all about what the price of a wish often was, especially that the cost of sacrificing oneself was often very high because it incurred a cost also on the person one was sacrificing oneself for. This might be a different take on matters than what is going on here. The most obvious price Annie could pay is becoming a psychopomp β but this might be a life gig, that's a big deal. Or it's possible she'd have to give something up that we do not know about yet. Maybe give up some important memory or power. Or, well, maybe this whole Philosopher's Stone thing will come in to play. |
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Post by razgrizx on Jan 27, 2017 13:51:22 GMT
You can't collect a debt when you were never requested or even asked to help.That's not exactly the situation though, is it? She was directly manipulated into discovering the situation and urged to solve it so that the psychopomps wouldn't have to. Muut did ask for her help indirectly but I wouldn't call it manipulation. He was caught as the one who wanted to give Annie the blinker stone and explained himself but the only reason he didn't ask for help directly is because Annie would've rejected his request given their relationship. Also Muut knew her well enough that she'd want to help Jeanne for her own reasons anyway. Edit: Oh yeah and also it's not that the psychopomps wouldn't have to, it's because they were unable to and thought Annie was much better suited to deal with this than them(probably because they can't interfere with the living world but she can) which they were right about |
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Post by bgb16999 on Jan 27, 2017 14:05:19 GMT
Eh who needs boring doctors and Court technology when you can get 'pomps to heal in return for the price? That's way better than getting in trouble for doing risky stuff without adult supervision. My hunch is that Andrew's wound is at least partially etheric. If so, then a)Annie would probably be able to tell that Smitty's wound is partially (or entirely) etheric, and b)A Court medical doctor would be of no help whatsoever in saving Andrew's life. Annie told Parley to wait because (I suspect) she knew that teleporting to a doctor wouldn't help. She will either try to convince the psychopomps to heal Andrew, or she will demonstrate her own powers and try to heal him herself. If she is unable to do either of those things, then it would still be a bad idea to teleport to a Court doctor, because they still would be unable to help. If she can't get the psychopomps to help and can't heal Smitty herself, the best bet would be to teleport to a more powerful ether-user who might be willing to help. The trouble is, there aren't that many of those  |
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