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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2016 8:00:22 GMT
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Post by snipertom on Dec 14, 2016 8:05:33 GMT
Oh my! I've been waiting for this moment for years!
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Post by Per on Dec 14, 2016 8:07:51 GMT
Go into the light. No, the light! Stupid skeleton
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Post by speedwell on Dec 14, 2016 8:28:21 GMT
Nothing to take to the Ether, eh. What a waste of a good psychopomp....
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brokshi
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Post by brokshi on Dec 14, 2016 8:43:34 GMT
Actually, I think it's flowing downstream, not dissipating. |
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Post by philman on Dec 14, 2016 8:46:17 GMT
And we still don't see whether he is holding anything in his hand.
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Post by krabmeat on Dec 14, 2016 8:54:30 GMT
Actually, I think it's flowing downstream, not dissipating. Yeah, that definitely looks like a tumble, not a scatter. |
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Post by freedomgeek on Dec 14, 2016 9:36:45 GMT
And now the Forest invasion of the Court begins.
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Post by aline on Dec 14, 2016 10:02:34 GMT
And now the Forest invasion of the Court begins. I really doubt that. |
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Post by fish on Dec 14, 2016 11:30:34 GMT
And now the Forest invasion of the Court begins. I really doubt that. I am also not yet convinced that a great Court/Forest war is going to be the result of this. However, there was that one wisp who seemed desperate to get over the bridge with Annie, and the glass eyed men are not fans of the Court either. And holes-in-my-mind Ysengrin was called General a while ago. Something is going to happen, I'm sure. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 14, 2016 11:42:18 GMT
Nothing to take to the Ether, eh. What a waste of a good psychopomp.... I guess the arrow has to be contained before Annie can do her psychopomping; and Annie's ether vision is pretty limited so Green Guy could be close by and she hasn't seen him yet. |
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Post by aline on Dec 14, 2016 11:44:11 GMT
I am also not yet convinced that a great Court/Forest war is going to be the result of this. However, there was that one wisp who seemed desperate to get over the bridge with Annie, and the glass eyed men are not fans of the Court either. And holes-in-my-mind Ysengrin was called General a while ago. Something is going to happen, I'm sure. Yeah but Coyote is the undisputed ruler of the Forest and he made the divide to stop the ongoing Court/Forest war in the first place. And you can't tell me he wouldn't have found a way to deal with Jeanne if he really wanted to. Also I believe the rabbit boy and his fae friend are foreshadowing a very different ending for all this. Walls coming down. You know, a wall falling under siege and a wall taken down by the side who erected it tell two very different stories. And most Forest creatures' mindset about the Court is a mix of wary/curious/They're boring anyway. They don't want to conquer it. Maybe some want to know what humans taste like, but they won't be an army, they won't be organized. The Court has means to deal with that, they're really good at surveillance and they have weapons and robots. Conflict of some sort, I expect. But an invasion? Nope.
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Post by calpal on Dec 14, 2016 12:20:50 GMT
I am also not yet convinced that a great Court/Forest war is going to be the result of this. However, there was that one wisp who seemed desperate to get over the bridge with Annie, and the glass eyed men are not fans of the Court either. And holes-in-my-mind Ysengrin was called General a while ago. Something is going to happen, I'm sure. Yeah but Coyote is the undisputed ruler of the Forest and he made the divide to stop the ongoing Court/Forest war in the first place. And you can't tell me he wouldn't have found a way to deal with Jeanne if he really wanted to. Also I believe the rabbit boy and his fae friend are foreshadowing a very different ending for all this. Walls coming down. You know, a wall falling under siege and a wall taken down by the side who erected it tell two very different stories. And most Forest creatures' mindset about the Court is a mix of wary/curious/They're boring anyway. They don't want to conquer it. Maybe some want to know what humans taste like, but they won't be an army, they won't be organized. The Court has means to deal with that, they're really good at surveillance and they have weapons and robots. Conflict of some sort, I expect. But an invasion? Nope.
Alternatively, maybe the Court is the one invading the Forest? Who knows what the Omega Project could entail... |
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Post by dramastix on Dec 14, 2016 12:28:27 GMT
This is making me wonder if the Green man they saw inside the lock was nothing more than a wisp of his former presence. He's already gone into the ether, and what was left just dissipated with the removal of the arrow.
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Post by fish on Dec 14, 2016 12:31:07 GMT
This is making me wonder if the Green man they saw inside the lock was nothing more than a wisp of his former presence. He's already gone into the ether, and what was left just dissipated with the removal of the arrow. No! I want my heartfelt reunion! No! |
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Post by aline on Dec 14, 2016 12:37:06 GMT
Alternatively, maybe the Court is the one invading the Forest? Who knows what the Omega Project could entail... I'm pretty sure the omega project entails invading all of reality and beyond. But really, the same goes, the Court could have started an invasion long ago if they wanted to have the Forest. They control the bridge (whereas the shadow men can't pass it because of the lights) and they could probably fly over the Annan river, like Kat did a while back when rescuing Annie. Also back then the tic tocs flew to the Forest shore just fine. If the Court has any plans of that sort, I don't believe Jeanne is the one stopping it from happening. More likely, they know it would be a tough war and they might not win it (yet), river or not river. |
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Post by todd on Dec 14, 2016 12:47:43 GMT
Also I believe the rabbit boy and his fae friend are foreshadowing a very different ending for all this. Walls coming down. You know, a wall falling under siege and a wall taken down by the side who erected it tell two very different stories. And most Forest creatures' mindset about the Court is a mix of wary/curious/They're boring anyway. They don't want to conquer it. Maybe some want to know what humans taste like, but they won't be an army, they won't be organized. The Court has means to deal with that, they're really good at surveillance and they have weapons and robots. [/p] Conflict of some sort, I expect. But an invasion? Nope.
[/quote] I agree that the events a couple of chapters back (the fairy visiting her former-rabbit friend), and some of the other glimpses of life in Gilltie Wood suggest that peace between the Court and the forest - genuine peace, rather than a mere absence of armed conflict - is possible. The actual warmongers in the Wood are most likely a minority. I wonder whether the medium system existed during the Founders' lifetime, or was only established after the double murder of Jeanne and her lover. Most likely the latter, or the Founders might not have seen as much of a necessity for turning Jeanne into a vengeful murderous ghost - unless things had reached the point where they had despaired of diplomacy working. Or if they feared that for diplomacy to work, they might have to give up more than they were willing. (The evidence suggests that much of the grievances of the forest-folk stem from the Court's experimenting with the ether, which they look upon as dangerous - and Jones pointed out that it could bring humanity's nightmares to life, which suggests that they have a point. Unfortunately, they seem to have approached that problem more in the "snarling and growling" way than the "reasoned statement" manner that could have drawn the Court's attention to the ominous potential consequences of its activities. Though I wonder whether, even if emissaries from Gilltie had taken the "calm and reasonable" approach, the Court would have listened to them - not if it meant abandoning the project that it had determined to embark on with a stubborn fervor.) |
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Post by fish on Dec 14, 2016 13:02:00 GMT
I am also not yet convinced that a great Court/Forest war is going to be the result of this. However, there was that one wisp who seemed desperate to get over the bridge with Annie, and the glass eyed men are not fans of the Court either. And holes-in-my-mind Ysengrin was called General a while ago. Something is going to happen, I'm sure. Yeah but Coyote is the undisputed ruler of the Forest and he made the divide to stop the ongoing Court/Forest war in the first place. And you can't tell me he wouldn't have found a way to deal with Jeanne if he really wanted to. Also I believe the rabbit boy and his fae friend are foreshadowing a very different ending for all this. Walls coming down. You know, a wall falling under siege and a wall taken down by the side who erected it tell two very different stories. And most Forest creatures' mindset about the Court is a mix of wary/curious/They're boring anyway. They don't want to conquer it. Maybe some want to know what humans taste like, but they won't be an army, they won't be organized. The Court has means to deal with that, they're really good at surveillance and they have weapons and robots. Conflict of some sort, I expect. But an invasion? Nope.
The rabbit and Snuffle as foreshadowing is a good point. Annie and Smitty as mediums are certainly not going to endorse conflict of any kind. Coyote, though, is a different kind of problem. We can't know that, just because he was the one who stopped the war last time, he is decidedly anti-war in general. For all we know, he's become bored with the stalemate and wants to see something new. And here my favorite wild-spec theory comes into play: Coyote promised never to take actions to harm the Court directly. (So, even if he knew about Jeanne, he probably wouldn't have done anything against her.) But through his clever manipulations he has turned the fire head girl strongly to his side. Annie is super biased towards the Forest; the Court knows that and is not happy about it. Coyote never directly tried to sway her, so he has not broken his promise. But already Annie has managed to let a Forest creature visit the Court. Of course this was just a friendly visit, but now Snuffle could report on what goes on with former Forest creatures at the Court (for whatever this information is worth). Annie is a valueable piece in whatever game he is playing and NOW she is, without any prompts from Coyote himself, removing a security measure set up by the Court long ago. I'm sure she would have done so, even if she was not heavily biased against the Court. But the Court could very well see this as an act of treason (if they even find out about what happened). Combining this with Anthony's return to Court this gon' be good (takes out popcorn). I'm not saying this is going to lead to some Lord of the Rings style assault on Helm's Deep or anything. But Coyote is cooking something up, I can smell it. And I haven't even figured out how Ysengrin is factoring into this, yet. |
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 14, 2016 13:34:31 GMT
Yup, I was (probably) right.
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Post by agasa on Dec 14, 2016 14:25:53 GMT
Uh-oh, they did it.
Shit's to hit the fan in 3...2...1...
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 14, 2016 14:50:16 GMT
Oh! The skeleton being swept away by the river makes sense. Thanks, guys - I was struggling to parse the action in this one.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 14, 2016 16:13:10 GMT
Nothing to take to the Ether, eh. What a waste of a good psychopomp.... I guess the arrow has to be contained before Annie can do her psychopomping; and Annie's ether vision is pretty limited so Green Guy could be close by and she hasn't seen him yet. Or he didn't just float around and blink at the scenery all this time, but raised above the water - and possibly already met Jeanne. Actually, I think it's flowing downstream, not dissipating. Or stays behind as Annie moves away. |
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Post by nero on Dec 14, 2016 17:10:22 GMT
I'm hoping there is a reunion for Jeanne or at least some revelations about the Forest and the Court. Maybe even a name for this guy?
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Post by keef on Dec 14, 2016 23:50:04 GMT
Nothing to take to the Ether, eh. What a waste of a good psychopomp.... -- Green Guy could be close by and she hasn't seen him yet. Well, the chapter title is "The Other Shore", so I suppose something is going to happen there. Maybe a green guy popping up any minute now... |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Dec 15, 2016 2:06:22 GMT
Oh! The skeleton being swept away by the river makes sense. Thanks, guys - I was struggling to parse the action in this one. Actually, it doesn't. Skeletons have nothing to hold their bones together. There is something else going on here. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 15, 2016 5:05:13 GMT
Oh! The skeleton being swept away by the river makes sense. Thanks, guys - I was struggling to parse the action in this one. Actually, it doesn't. Skeletons have nothing to hold their bones together. There is something else going on here. Sinew? I got nothing. I'm willing to accept it for the imagery. |
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Post by arf on Dec 15, 2016 6:21:30 GMT
I think green guy is still in the device. No longer bound, but it's a haven for now.
Not sure whether his remains are being carried off by the current, or that Annie is leaving them behind as she rises up to rejoin Kat.
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Post by Per on Dec 15, 2016 7:56:22 GMT
Not sure whether his remains are being carried off by the current, or that Annie is leaving them behind as she rises up to rejoin Kat. I think it's probably not just Annie rising, as the skeleton would not appear to roll over on its back. |
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Post by fish on Dec 15, 2016 9:47:51 GMT
Oh! The skeleton being swept away by the river makes sense. Thanks, guys - I was struggling to parse the action in this one. Actually, it doesn't. Skeletons have nothing to hold their bones together. There is something else going on here. It's probably artistic licence that's going on here. Or else, um, the etheric energy of the arrow was slowing down the decay process significantly, so even after hundreds of years there was still some organic material to hold the bones together. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 15, 2016 11:26:16 GMT
Actually, it doesn't. Skeletons have nothing to hold their bones together. There is something else going on here. It's probably artistic licence that's going on here. Or else, um, the etheric energy of the arrow was slowing down the decay process significantly, so even after hundreds of years there was still some organic material to hold the bones together. He still had some hair on his skull and his pants weren't completely rotted away. I know there are much older bog bodies with hair and clothing, but I don't think that is normal for a body immersed in flowing water. Jeanne's real body is also unusual because her clothing didn't rot away. |
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