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Post by Fen on Dec 10, 2016 11:13:14 GMT
Clearly Jeanne just got something in her eye.
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Post by KMar on Dec 10, 2016 17:11:52 GMT
Anyone else think this? Well Kat did not exactly take a George that was lying in front of her ... but "render unavailable" is close enough?
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Post by stef1987 on Dec 10, 2016 18:53:35 GMT
I'm really interested in that second-last panel. It looks like something - a crack, window, something like that - manifesting in the air right in front of Jeanne. It's not where I would expect it if it was just some comic splat indicating surprise. I'm 100% sure it's just "some comic splat indicating surprise", as you put it.
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Post by twilightfire on Dec 10, 2016 20:30:53 GMT
All I want is for Jeanne to be blocked by Parsley and NOT ATTACK THE FLOATING BOAT WITH THE UNCONSCIOUS GIRLS.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 10, 2016 21:13:07 GMT
I can't wait to be proven utterly and completely wrong. I swear that's half the reason we frequent this forum
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Post by OGRuddawg on Dec 11, 2016 0:06:03 GMT
I can't wait to be proven utterly and completely wrong. I swear that's half the reason we frequent this forum Yeah, I don't think I've been right yet in any of my predictions yet... Congrats to Tom for being next to impossible to predict.
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Post by warrl on Dec 11, 2016 1:12:28 GMT
All I want is for Jeanne to be blocked by Parsley and NOT ATTACK THE FLOATING BOAT WITH THE UNCONSCIOUS GIRLS. I know that was just a typo (or maybe a DYAC moment), but it's fun to imagine assorted vegetables impeding Jeanne... The celery and asparagus will stalk her, the corn will be all ears for her complaints...
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 11, 2016 2:50:40 GMT
I swear that's half the reason we frequent this forum Yeah, I don't think I've been right yet in any of my predictions yet... Congrats to Tom for being next to impossible to predict. I'm still hoping that I've nailed it on my MechaKat predictions. But, reviewing my previous record of being completely and irreversibly wrong in my predictions, I don't have high hopes.
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Post by seedmagnesium on Dec 11, 2016 3:55:34 GMT
So, clearly Jeanne is still conscious and capable of speech. In fact we and the characters have known that for awhile -- "I still remember you, Coward Heart". So why aren't they attempting to talk with her? Try to explain that they're there to end her torment and suffering? Seems it's worth a shot given how deadly she is.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Dec 11, 2016 10:56:50 GMT
Because she can't be reasoned with. Regardless of what's best for her, her purpose is to be on the shore killin' whatever etheric entities try to cross, and she isn't just going to roll over and stop because they're there to save her. She's demonstrated before her ability to outmaneuver them rhetorically - remember they escaped their original encounter with her an emotional wreck. Her mind might be present, but she is in no way in control of her own decision-making.
Hopefully that's fixed once the arrow is unlocked
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Post by bgb16999 on Dec 12, 2016 3:21:37 GMT
I can't wait to be proven utterly and completely wrong. I swear that's half the reason we frequent this forum Heh. After I discovered and binge-read this comic a few weeks ago, one chapter that stuck out to me was 43: Quicksilver. I'm not sure why it grabbed me, since in the grand scheme of things it seems comparatively uneventful, but I liked it. So I decided to read all of the threads for chapter 43, from the speculation about the title page to the revelation that it was Eglamore all along. And dang, were a lot of y'all wrong about a lot! There were predictions that Adam was an evil Court scientist who was performing cruel experiments on Hetty, that Hetty be a regular character in future chapters, that Hetty would possess the needles Rey had been carrying (since needles have "eyes"), that Hetty was actually Coyote in disguise, that Hetty was actually Bud in disguise, that Hetty was actually Zimmy trapped in a doll, that the house which turned out to be Eglamore's was Brinnie's house, that the house was the home of Daniel's ghost, that Reynard never really meant to hill Annie, and that Reynard did mean to kill Annie and still wanted to this late in the story. And probably some others. Your wrong-ness is preserved eternally! Just as mine shall be!
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Post by intotheether on Dec 12, 2016 5:20:27 GMT
I swear that's half the reason we frequent this forum Heh. After I discovered and binge-read this comic a few weeks ago, one chapter that stuck out to me was 43: Quicksilver. I'm not sure why it grabbed me, since in the grand scheme of things it seems comparatively uneventful, but I liked it. So I decided to read all of the threads for chapter 43, from the speculation about the title page to the revelation that it was Eglamore all along. And dang, were a lot of y'all wrong about a lot! There were predictions that Adam was an evil Court scientist who was performing cruel experiments on Hetty, that Hetty be a regular character in future chapters, that Hetty would possess the needles Rey had been carrying (since needles have "eyes"), that Hetty was actually Coyote in disguise, that Hetty was actually Bud in disguise, that Hetty was actually Zimmy trapped in a doll, that the house which turned out to be Eglamore's was Brinnie's house, that the house was the home of Daniel's ghost, that Reynard never really meant to hill Annie, and that Reynard did mean to kill Annie and still wanted to this late in the story. And probably some others. Your wrong-ness is preserved eternally! Just as mine shall be! I don't log in often, but I wanted to weigh in on Quicksilver as it's also one of my favorite-if not the favorite-chapter I've read in what has overall been an excellent webcomic. Now, I can't claim to know why you in particular liked it, but I know what drew me to it so strongly. First off, it was a very tightly woven narrative from beginning to end. Each part of the story helped to build on Reynardine's character. Nothing felt like it dragged or seemed unnecessary. Every piece that we were given, each action, each bit of dialogue furthered the progression of this small story, piece by piece flowing naturally into the next. Tom did an excellent job of knowing just what to show in order to get the gist of the plot across while trusting his readers enough not to feel the need to explain to us as though we wouldn't be able to infer ourselves. It very much felt like this is how Rey would typically act in these situations, without any out of place exposition dumps or forced reactions. Second, while it may not have been a huge chapter in the grand scheme of things relating to the overall story, it was a rather significant chapter in terms of significance for character development for Rey. It reminded us how he started out as a semi-antagonist of dubious morality. It exploded something a lot of other stories wouldn't. It went into his guilt over almost killing Annie, his progression into a fiercely protective father figure towards her, the difference between his and Hetty's motivations (his was a desperate-albeit misguided and reprehensible-bid for freedom vs her petty vengeance). It even showed a bit of progression in his connection to Jim-from one of mistrust and aggression to a friendship over a shared regret. So it might not have been a huge chapter for the plot, but it was a rather huge one for Rey.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 12, 2016 8:04:08 GMT
WORDS Heh. After I discovered and binge-read this comic a few weeks ago, one chapter that stuck out to me was 43: Quicksilver. I'm not sure why it grabbed me, since in the grand scheme of things it seems comparatively uneventful, but I liked it. So I decided to read all of the threads for chapter 43, from the speculation about the title page to the revelation that it was Eglamore all along. And dang, were a lot of y'all wrong about a lot! There were predictions that Adam was an evil Court scientist who was performing cruel experiments on Hetty, that Hetty be a regular character in future chapters, that Hetty would possess the needles Rey had been carrying (since needles have "eyes"), that Hetty was actually Coyote in disguise, that Hetty was actually Bud in disguise, that Hetty was actually Zimmy trapped in a doll, that the house which turned out to be Eglamore's was Brinnie's house, that the house was the home of Daniel's ghost, that Reynard never really meant to hill Annie, and that Reynard did mean to kill Annie and still wanted to this late in the story. And probably some others. Your wrong-ness is preserved eternally! Just as mine shall be! I don't log in often, but I wanted to weigh in on Quicksilver as it's also one of my favorite-if not the favorite-chapter I've read in what has overall been an excellent webcomic. Now, I can't claim to know why you in particular liked it, but I know what drew me to it so strongly. First off, it was a very tightly woven narrative from beginning to end. Each part of the story helped to build on Reynardine's character. Nothing felt like it dragged or seemed unnecessary. Every piece that we were given, each action, each bit of dialogue furthered the progression of this small story, piece by piece flowing naturally into the next. Tom did an excellent job of knowing just what to show in order to get the gist of the plot across while trusting his readers enough not to feel the need to explain to us as though we wouldn't be able to infer ourselves. It very much felt like this is how Rey would typically act in these situations, without any out of place exposition dumps or forced reactions. Second, while it may not have been a huge chapter in the grand scheme of things relating to the overall story, it was a rather significant chapter in terms of significance for character development for Rey. It reminded us how he started out as a semi-antagonist of dubious morality. It exploded something a lot of other stories wouldn't. It went into his guilt over almost killing Annie, his progression into a fiercely protective father figure towards her, the difference between his and Hetty's motivations (his was a desperate-albeit misguided and reprehensible-bid for freedom vs her petty vengeance). It even showed a bit of progression in his connection to Jim-from one of mistrust and aggression to a friendship over a shared regret. So it might not have been a huge chapter for the plot, but it was a rather huge one for Rey. You've given a great analysis here of Chapter 43, but it's actually one of my least favorite chapters. However, my computer's about to die, so remind me to explain my reasons tomorrow morning. Sorry.
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Post by bgb16999 on Dec 16, 2016 2:55:35 GMT
WORDS I don't log in often, but I wanted to weigh in on Quicksilver as it's also one of my favorite-if not the favorite-chapter I've read in what has overall been an excellent webcomic.
Now, I can't claim to know why you in particular liked it, but I know what drew me to it so strongly.
First off, it was a very tightly woven narrative from beginning to end. Each part of the story helped to build on Reynardine's character. Nothing felt like it dragged or seemed unnecessary. Every piece that we were given, each action, each bit of dialogue furthered the progression of this small story, piece by piece flowing naturally into the next. Tom did an excellent job of knowing just what to show in order to get the gist of the plot across while trusting his readers enough not to feel the need to explain to us as though we wouldn't be able to infer ourselves. It very much felt like this is how Rey would typically act in these situations, without any out of place exposition dumps or forced reactions.
Second, while it may not have been a huge chapter in the grand scheme of things relating to the overall story, it was a rather significant chapter in terms of significance for character development for Rey. It reminded us how he started out as a semi-antagonist of dubious morality. It exploded something a lot of other stories wouldn't. It went into his guilt over almost killing Annie, his progression into a fiercely protective father figure towards her, the difference between his and Hetty's motivations (his was a desperate-albeit misguided and reprehensible-bid for freedom vs her petty vengeance).
It even showed a bit of progression in his connection to Jim-from one of mistrust and aggression to a friendship over a shared regret.
So it might not have been a huge chapter for the plot, but it was a rather huge one for Rey.
You've given a great analysis here of Chapter 43, but it's actually one of my least favorite chapters. However, my computer's about to die, so remind me to explain my reasons tomorrow morning. Sorry. Chapter 43 is also one of my favorite chapters. I'm not entirely sure why, as I said above, since it's an emotional reaction. I concur with intotheether in that it tells us a lot about who Reynard is as a person. He not only views being bound in a very different way than Hetty, but he has a fundamentally different view of humans. Hetty views humans as disposable ("you had a powerful body, what do you care about the one human life you took to get it"), in contras with Rey. Moreover, Quicksilver is the culmination of a very long shift in Rey's personality. Early on, Rey views the wolf body as a prison. For much of books two and three, Reynard is trying to be helpful to Annie, but he still tries to seem like a trouble-maker. He makes sexually suggestive or otherwise inappropriate comments about Parley and Annie's classmates, which occasionally lands him in the "naughty zone." tty By the time of Quicksilver, though, Reynard has changed considerably. He has become the adult of the situation, patiently trying to nudge Hetty in the right direction (until it's clear she is planning on killing Adam and Annie, at which point he puts his foot down.) We then get to see how far he's come since before chapter one, with a different perspective on his killing of Daniel. It's not the first time we've heard about him killing someone at the Court, but I enjoyed seeing it from Reynard's perspective instead of Coyote's or Eglamore. And in the end, we get to see how much Eglamore has changed as well. At the start of the comic, Eglamore seemed to share the views of the Court. He attacked Reynard on sight, was highly suspicous of forest creatures, and is determined to prevent Annie from leaving campus. By chapter 43, however, he is able to hang out in a calm manner with the creature he once called a demon. We don't know if Eglamore has truly forgiven Reynard the way Annie has (and it would be understandable if he hadn't, given that Rey has hurt Eglamore a lot more than Annie). But we don't need to know. All the more impressive is that we learn how much Eglamore has changed in just one page. The chapter also got me to think about why Rey wants to remain under Annie's (or Kat's) control. As Reynard himself points out in his conversation with Hetty, the only reason he is allowed reasonably free range within the Court is because the Court leaders know he is under her control. Without the toy trap, the Court would probably want to keep him locked up like they did before Annie's arrival. Of course, Rey had already refused Annie's offer to go live in the forest. While both Reynard and Coyote state that his love for Annie is what keeps him in the Court, I started to suspect around this point that Rey is also somewhat afraid of Coyote. We've only seen a glimpse of how Coyote abuses Ysendrin, and Rey knows his cousin better than anyone. (I might have reached this speculation earlier in the story, but I didn't have as much time to speculate as you did since I read the first 59 chapters for the first time in four days). By contrast, Hetty would probably prefer the forest. Her joy in tormenting others would allow her to fit right in with Coyote, and many of the fairies. As intotheether said above, I think the chapter benefits from not providing excess information. We don't know anything about Hetty's origins, but we don't need to. The story works just fine without knowing. So...now that you've had a few days to recharge your computer, mind telling us why you dislike one of the most awesome chapters in Gunnerkrigg Court? Oh, and unrelated, this is my 50th post. Rank up!
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Post by philman on Dec 16, 2016 8:42:55 GMT
And dang, were a lot of y'all wrong about a lot! Welcome, you must be new here! As previous people have mentioned, the Gunnerkrigg forums are a place of throwing 10,000 darts at a wall and celebrating whenever one of them hits a target by chance! We speculate and are usually pretty much always wrong, but it's still fun
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 17, 2016 3:59:42 GMT
He has become the adult of the situation, patiently trying to nudge Hetty in the right direction (until it's clear she is planning on killing Adam and Annie, at which point he puts his foot down.) Literally! The chapter also got me to think about why Rey wants to remain under Annie's (or Kat's) control. As Reynard himself points out in his conversation with Hetty, the only reason he is allowed reasonably free range within the Court is because the Court leaders know he is under her control. Without the toy trap, the Court would probably want to keep him locked up like they did before Annie's arrival. Of course, Rey had already refused Annie's offer to go live in the forest. While both Reynard and Coyote state that his love for Annie is what keeps him in the Court, I started to suspect around this point that Rey is also somewhat afraid of Coyote. I think he's afraid of himself. Annie presents a control that Rey recognizes that he needs. She makes him a better person.
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Post by bgb16999 on Dec 21, 2016 1:02:59 GMT
WORDS I don't log in often, but I wanted to weigh in on Quicksilver as it's also one of my favorite-if not the favorite-chapter I've read in what has overall been an excellent webcomic.
Now, I can't claim to know why you in particular liked it, but I know what drew me to it so strongly.
First off, it was a very tightly woven narrative from beginning to end. Each part of the story helped to build on Reynardine's character. Nothing felt like it dragged or seemed unnecessary. Every piece that we were given, each action, each bit of dialogue furthered the progression of this small story, piece by piece flowing naturally into the next. Tom did an excellent job of knowing just what to show in order to get the gist of the plot across while trusting his readers enough not to feel the need to explain to us as though we wouldn't be able to infer ourselves. It very much felt like this is how Rey would typically act in these situations, without any out of place exposition dumps or forced reactions.
Second, while it may not have been a huge chapter in the grand scheme of things relating to the overall story, it was a rather significant chapter in terms of significance for character development for Rey. It reminded us how he started out as a semi-antagonist of dubious morality. It exploded something a lot of other stories wouldn't. It went into his guilt over almost killing Annie, his progression into a fiercely protective father figure towards her, the difference between his and Hetty's motivations (his was a desperate-albeit misguided and reprehensible-bid for freedom vs her petty vengeance).
It even showed a bit of progression in his connection to Jim-from one of mistrust and aggression to a friendship over a shared regret.
So it might not have been a huge chapter for the plot, but it was a rather huge one for Rey.
You've given a great analysis here of Chapter 43, but it's actually one of my least favorite chapters. However, my computer's about to die, so remind me to explain my reasons tomorrow morning. Sorry. It's like way past the day after you wrote this. I KNOW YOU CAN HERE ME! TELL ME WHY YOU ARE SO AGAINST ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHAPTERS!
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