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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 29, 2016 17:38:47 GMT
Seeing how City face seemingly got eaten by a fox recently and the fact that Tom put all of his City Face comics into book form just after the current interlude ended suggests that this was the last of the City Face interludes. Which would mean that unless Tom comes up with something else to fill up space during the hiatus between volumes this volume will be the last. After all, we're starting off with the Jeanne subplot seemingly getting resolved; that certainly implies that the story is starting to move towards its climax. Solving all the loose ends in just 10 or so chapters might be a little too much but it's possible that the final volume will be extra long for that "epic conclusion" feel.
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Post by fish on Nov 29, 2016 18:46:10 GMT
As of yet unresolved plotlines:
What is the seed bismuth?
Why did Surma leave James for Anthony?
What will the Court do about Shadow, now that they've found out about him?
Where did the Tic Tocs come from?
What is the deal with Steadman?
What is Coyote's endgame if there is one?
How does the Court "endevour to become god"?
Why is Coyote taking Ysengrin's memories, and what will this lead to?
What are Robot's prophet activities leading up to?
Will Annie's realtionship with her father ever change, for better or worse?
Who was Daniel R Schiff*? (as in, what was he like; this might not be adressed)
Why are William and Janet hiding their relationship? (might not be adressed)
[Insert something else I'm not thinking of right now]
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Some plotlines have been solved or adressed in the past few volumes (Mort, Anthony's whereabouts) but not nearly enough to call the story finished, I believe. We are certainly moving forward, now that Jeanne's story is coming to an end (probably). But that is actually likely to create even more plot; once the barrier between Court and Forest is brought down their conflict might break out again. Ooor a peace is negotiated, who knows. But one volume is nowhere near enough to adress all of this. It's more likely Tom has something new planned for the intermissions.
By the way, do you mean "the Jeanne subplot" when you say "the Jones subplot"? Jones is nowhere near resolved, although we might not really get an explanation for her anyway.
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Post by csj on Nov 29, 2016 19:05:40 GMT
Perhaps not all plotlines WILL be resolved. Some might even not have an answer, as indicated. It really comes down to what the story of GKC is about. I don't expect the volumes to end until Annie finishes her time at the Court, since that has been the real meat & potatoes of the comic but who knows?  |
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Post by fatexx544 on Nov 29, 2016 19:51:05 GMT
fish - You forgot Zimmy & Gamma. Though I could see a followup/spinoff comic for them.
Also, what is the deal with Parley? Or Smitty for that matter? (though Smitty might get resolved very, very soon).
This could be the last volume, but we definitely have a bunch of chapters left to go. We might also discover a bigger bad (*the court* *cough* *cough*) that could require an entire extra volume to overcome.
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Post by warrl on Nov 29, 2016 20:20:22 GMT
The only way I could see this being the last volume is if the comic is the ROTD Final Statement of several characters simultaneously - including at least Annie and Kat, probably Parley and Smitty, and possibly others.
And I don't think that's likely.
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Post by Per on Nov 29, 2016 21:01:29 GMT
What is the deal with the Artilleryman?
What is the deal with Jones?
When will Annie catch up to her old classmates?
Will Reynardine be returned to his old body?
Will characters like Jenny, Brinnie and many others return to serve additional plot functions?
Will Annie's position in the chain of half-elementals be like that of Surma, or different?
Will Kat's and Paz's relationship survive the strain of robot wars?
Who will win, laser Annie or the Dickcharney?
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Post by bgb16999 on Nov 29, 2016 23:15:58 GMT
I hope not!
And I don't think we are. The story has never really been focused on the protagonists teaming up to fight a physically powerful "villain." This fight with Jeanne may be the toughest fight they've had yet, but it isn't the end of the story. It's the beginning of a book. It's not going to end with Jeanne being taken into the Ether and everything else instantly getting resolved.
Since this fight is happening in the very first chapter of the book, I expect that most of book seven will be about the ramifications of putting Jeanne to rest. Does Jeanne's removal actually help the Court in a way Annie and the others didn't anticipate? Does it create an existential threat to the Court instead? How do the leaders of the Court react when they find out about Jeanne? What about Kat's parents, or Anthony? Even though it's been foreshadowed for a long time, I don't think taking Jeanne into the ether will really resolve much in the way of the story's real conflict. This is the set-up for the main plot of book seven and beyond. I suspect that there will be unintended consequences of Jeanne's passing, and the adults on one side of the river or the other won't be too keen on the outcome.
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Post by todd on Nov 30, 2016 0:23:59 GMT
I think that the real "final arc" will center on what the Court's goals are, and whether it achieves or abandons them. (Ive found it tempting to imagine the webcomic ending with Annie and Kat, after discovering that the Court's experiments with the ether - probably its big project - are extremely dangerous, showing this to the Court leadership. And after that - either the Court laying aside those same experiments and finding some way to make peace with Gilltie Wood - or refusing to do so, and ushering in a tragic or at least bittersweet ending - maybe Annie, Kat, and a few others escaping just before the Court is destroyed - not by the forest-folk, but by its own experiments backfiring in an alarming manner. But that probably belongs to the "wild speculations" thread instead.)
City Face's ending (assuming that it really is over and Tom isn't going to do anything more with the pigeon) doesn't mean no more volumes; the comic first appeared only during the second hiatus (between Books Two and Three), while the first hiatus was composed of fan-comics and letters from Kat to Annie.
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Nov 30, 2016 8:13:32 GMT
What is Coyote's endgame if there is one? Oh, don't you worry your little human minds. You will definitely know it when you see it, hehehe  |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Nov 30, 2016 8:18:28 GMT
It would be unusual if Tom were beginning the final arc and kept quiet about it.
For one thing, he makes a living doing this, so I hope he's got a longer term plan than just the next year or two, when you'd expect a final arc to close. For another, one would want to sufficiently prepare one's reader base so they're ready to change gears before the gears start changing. Otherwise, one could stand to lose more people than one otherwise would. People only like surprises when they're presents.
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Post by philman on Nov 30, 2016 8:41:33 GMT
I doubt this is the final arc. We all thought Anthony coming back would start resolving a lot of questions, but it just ended up making more than it solved. I like the prediction of others above that freeing Jeanne (if that is even what they manage to end up doing) will cause more problems than it solves. I still think she was put there for some protective reason, however unjust it was, and that removing her will reveal some hidden unknown darkness that her presence was holding back.
I can see the volume going for at least two more volumes, maybe more, depending on where Tom takes the story.
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Post by freedomgeek on Nov 30, 2016 8:44:39 GMT
I think there's a lot left to cover. To end soon the comic would have to end before it engaged a lot of its more interesting idea. I mean who's actually reading the comic because they're interested in Jeanne's fate? (Ive found it tempting to imagine the webcomic ending with Annie and Kat, after discovering that the Court's experiments with the ether - probably its big project - are extremely dangerous, showing this to the Court leadership. And after that - either the Court laying aside those same experiments and finding some way to make peace with Gilltie Wood - or refusing to do so, and ushering in a tragic or at least bittersweet ending - maybe Annie, Kat, and a few others escaping just before the Court is destroyed - not by the forest-folk, but by its own experiments backfiring in an alarming manner. But that probably belongs to the "wild speculations" thread instead.) I would find that an immensely disappointing direction for the comic to take. Rather than engaging with the concept of humanity becoming god just making the method too dangerous to work for some arbitrary reason to avoid that conversation. It would be a very hollywood direction for the comic and I don't mean that in a good way. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 30, 2016 11:07:31 GMT
Since this fight is happening in the very first chapter of the book, I expect that most of book seven will be about the ramifications of putting Jeanne to rest. Does Jeanne's removal actually help the Court in a way Annie and the others didn't anticipate? Does it create an existential threat to the Court instead? How do the leaders of the Court react when they find out about Jeanne? What about Kat's parents, or Anthony? Even though it's been foreshadowed for a long time, I don't think taking Jeanne into the ether will really resolve much in the way of the story's real conflict. This is the set-up for the main plot of book seven and beyond. I suspect that there will be unintended consequences of Jeanne's passing, and the adults on one side of the river or the other won't be too keen on the outcome. This basically feels like you're arguing my point for me. The consequences of putting Jeanne to rest, including a possible Court-Forest conflict, is pretty much exactly what I'd imagine this comic's endgame to be about. |
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Post by fish on Nov 30, 2016 11:19:40 GMT
Since this fight is happening in the very first chapter of the book, I expect that most of book seven will be about the ramifications of putting Jeanne to rest. Does Jeanne's removal actually help the Court in a way Annie and the others didn't anticipate? Does it create an existential threat to the Court instead? How do the leaders of the Court react when they find out about Jeanne? What about Kat's parents, or Anthony? Even though it's been foreshadowed for a long time, I don't think taking Jeanne into the ether will really resolve much in the way of the story's real conflict. This is the set-up for the main plot of book seven and beyond. I suspect that there will be unintended consequences of Jeanne's passing, and the adults on one side of the river or the other won't be too keen on the outcome. This basically feels like you're arguing my point for me. The consequences of putting Jeanne to rest, including a possible Court-Forest conflict, is pretty much exactly what I'd imagine this comic's endgame to be about. Sure, the endgame might look something like that. But, you know, it's possible nobody in the Court or the Forest even notices Jeanne's absence for a while and we get a volume or two focusing on something else entirely. |
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Post by Storel on Dec 4, 2016 22:57:02 GMT
Seeing how City face seemingly got eaten by a fox recently... Excuse me, when/where did this supposedly happen? There was nothing like that in the last interlude. ...and the fact that Tom put all of his City Face comics into book form just after the current interlude ended suggests that this was the last of the City Face interludes. Or it could just mean that he had enough City Face comics to produce the first City Face book. Why assume he isn't planning any more? Even if this is the last of City Face, that could just mean that Tom has had enough of City Face interludes and wants to do something different for the next interlude. As todd pointed out, the first interlude did not feature City Face, so there's no reason to think that if we're done with City Face, we're done with interludes. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Dec 7, 2016 16:45:38 GMT
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Post by Vuk(Wolf) on Jan 17, 2017 11:57:45 GMT
Say, is it fair to assume that Tom has quite a few chapters already done, but is just posting 3 pages every week?
It would make sense since almost every show creator does it that way.
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Post by Per on Jan 17, 2017 14:09:27 GMT
Back when Tom had a Formspring he said the buffer was 20-30 pages, which is about the length of a chapter these days.
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Post by warrl on Jan 17, 2017 22:03:56 GMT
Say, is it fair to assume that Tom has quite a few chapters already done, but is just posting 3 pages every week? It would make sense since almost every show creator does it that way. I'm only actually aware of two webcomics whose artists definitely have buffers (because they've mentioned them) - and more than two that definitely do not (because comics frequently post a few hours late, and a major event in the artist's life produces an immediate delay or missed strip). Of course, it's possible that quite a few other webcomics I read have buffers behind them, and the artists just haven't mentioned the fact anywhere that I've read. |
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Post by Vuk(Wolf) on Jan 18, 2017 14:12:26 GMT
"Before I put my comic on-line I made my three month buffer of pages. I was only uploading 2 pages a week back then, but then I found I was able to make three pages a week, so I upped the schedule when I was sure I wouldn't fall behind."
I guess he does have a buffer.
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Post by fanofts on Jan 18, 2017 18:02:02 GMT
"Before I put my comic on-line I made my three month buffer of pages. I was only uploading 2 pages a week back then, but then I found I was able to make three pages a week, so I upped the schedule when I was sure I wouldn't fall behind." I guess he does have a buffer. In Tom's retrospective video Gunnerkrigg Court Chapter 12- Mainly Involves Robots (two and a half minutes in) he confirms this 20 to 30 page buffer. He also explains he needed to resist a strong temptation to fix or improve already published pages: he did this by returning to each buffer page a few days after it was drawn to check it with "fresh eyes". He knew if he did fall into the trap of redrawing old pages that he would likely never get his self-set deadline of three pages a week done. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 19, 2017 4:58:31 GMT
I won't consider the story done until we figure out what's going on with the ether collectors and the Omega Device.
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Post by philman on Jan 19, 2017 9:34:44 GMT
It is possible, with the sending of Jeanne into the ether it certainly feels like this is the beginning of a new act at least. I imagine the answers to many of the unsolved questions will be linked to one another, especially many of the questions relating to the court's founding and aims.
Are the kids still in year 10, or did we transition to year 11 recently? ( I know Annie is still a year behind, but I mean Kat and the other kids). If so then they are still only aged around 15, and still have 3 more school years to go. Assuming that Tom is intending on the girls finishing school (maybe a big assumption), then we may still have a way to go with this comic.
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Post by fish on Jan 19, 2017 10:59:01 GMT
It is possible, with the sending of Jeanne into the ether it certainly feels like this is the beginning of a new act at least. I imagine the answers to many of the unsolved questions will be linked to one another, especially many of the questions relating to the court's founding and aims. Are the kids still in year 10, or did we transition to year 11 recently? ( I know Annie is still a year behind, but I mean Kat and the other kids). If so then they are still only aged around 15, and still have 3 more school years to go. Assuming that Tom is intending on the girls finishing school (maybe a big assumption), then we may still have a way to go with this comic. | Annie | year 9 | | Kat | year 10 | | Andrew | year 12 (sixth form) | | Parley | year 13 (sixth form) |
Parley's gonna be done after the next summer break  Assuming the story follows at least Kat until graduation, and assuming we keep up the pace of one book covering one semester, then volume 7 (current volume) will end with Kat finishing year 10. Volume 8+9 will cover year 11 and volumes 10+11 and 12+13 will cover sixth form. Now assuming this is the structure the story follows, we have barely not even crossed the halfway point, with 6 volumes done and 7 volumes still to go. |
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