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Post by Nepycros on Oct 19, 2016 7:00:39 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 19, 2016 7:02:33 GMT
Wow, it's been so long since someone else bothered to put up the page thread.
I've become weak. I was defeated. I must train in the wilderness with Jimmy Jims.
For archival purposes, here's my version:
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 19, 2016 7:03:27 GMT
I suspect we'll go back to Annie soon.
I wonder what effect snapping Smitty's strings will have.
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Post by Nepycros on Oct 19, 2016 7:04:00 GMT
Also, I hope that the metaphysical snipping of Smitty's threads isn't having an adverse effect... I'm gonna bet that the only effect it has is that Jeanne's actions can no longer be manipulated favorably toward Parley. However, Parley is caked in those strings, so I'm gonna guess that she can still rely on the beneficial effects. But Jeanne just shrugging them off is a huge tactical loss for Team Annie. |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 19, 2016 7:05:31 GMT
Also, I hope that the metaphysical snipping of Smitty's threads isn't having an adverse effect... I'm gonna bet that the only effect it has is that Jeanne's actions can no longer be manipulated favorably toward Parley. However, Parley is caked in those strings, so I'm gonna guess that she can still rely on the beneficial effects. But Jeanne just shrugging them off is a huge tactical loss for Team Annie. My worry is that those were the same strings attached to Parley, and that Andrew's going to fall out of love with her or something equally tragic... A "win the battle, lose the war" sort of thing. |
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Post by snowflake on Oct 19, 2016 7:21:17 GMT
I think Smith's strings are fairly dynamic, and more like a physical manifestation of his power than an object that his power depends on. Jeanne may free herself of the strings by cutting them, but she can't strip Andrew of his power.
Here is my question: Jeanne is fairly lucid right now. She actually speaks, she remembers the girl with the gleaming heart (as I hoped she would!), she is clever and knowledgeable. So -- how does she see her own situation? Does she even want to be freed? (<- can't believe this is the first time I'm asking this question) Why does she want to, or feel compelled to, fight George? What is she actually trying to accomplish?
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Post by fish on Oct 19, 2016 7:24:27 GMT
The last panel needs some epic musical score.
This is now page 43, is this the longest chapter, yet? It feels like this chapter could go on for another 40 pages.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 19, 2016 7:34:04 GMT
The last panel needs some epic musical score. This is now page 43, is this the longest chapter, yet? It feels like this chapter could go on for another 40 pages. Not even close - The Torn Sea was 82. I think that's the longest so far. |
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Post by hifranc on Oct 19, 2016 8:37:28 GMT
[...] Here is my question: Jeanne is fairly lucid right now. She actually speaks, she remembers the girl with the gleaming heart (as I hoped she would!), she is clever and knowledgeable. So -- how does she see her own situation? Does she even want to be freed? (<- can't believe this is the first time I'm asking this question) Why does she want to, or feel compelled to, fight George? What is she actually trying to accomplish? As I understand, from podcasts about psychology, trauma is part of the recruitment process for child soldiers. At the beginning they are given the trauma and no choice but, over time, they adopt the purpose of their recruiters to cope with trauma. Most won't realise it but they hold on to the purpose to not have to deal with the loss. It fills the gaping hole inside them. I suspect that something similar is going on with Jeanne. |
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Post by haspen on Oct 19, 2016 9:18:21 GMT
Oh man, it's on. It's truly on.
It's gonna be the fight of the comic.
*prepares popcorn*
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Post by snowflake on Oct 19, 2016 9:42:31 GMT
As I understand, from podcasts about psychology, trauma is part of the recruitment process for child soldiers. At the beginning they are given the trauma and no choice but, over time, they adopt the purpose of their recruiters to cope with trauma. Most won't realise it but they hold on to the purpose to not have to deal with the loss. It fills the gaping hole inside them. I suspect that something similar is going on with Jeanne. On the other hand, she can't be completely committed to her position as sentinel. She chose to approach Annie both times she saw her. She could have killed Annie and George, but didn't. She shared her story with them. ...I am suddenly struck by the realization that this whole affair is Jeanne's doing. None of this would be happening had Jeanne not crossed the water over to Annie, who was sleeping on the river bank outside of Jeanne's jurisdiction (assuming that she approached her by choice). |
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Post by snowflake on Oct 19, 2016 9:47:50 GMT
Oh man, it's on. It's truly on. It's gonna be the fight of the comic. *prepares popcorn* Or Parley could reply "We will not fight as I have no beef with you, Jeanne. We have come to free you and your boyfriend from the tethers of the physical realm", and Jeanne would be like "Oh. OK". Tom loves to troll his readers. And saying things like "It's gonna be the fight of the comic" means he has you where he wants you. Remember how "The Breakout" was going to the the fight of the comic? ...or maybe it will be the fight of the comic. At this point, who knows. |
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Post by Per on Oct 19, 2016 9:54:08 GMT
"The Coward Heart" has already been used for a thread title. Maybe "I do remember you, coward heart", "No tricks, no deception" or simply "We will fight"?
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Post by arf on Oct 19, 2016 11:15:22 GMT
Oh man, it's on. It's truly on. It's gonna be the fight of the comic. *prepares popcorn* Or Parley could reply "We will not fight as I have no beef with you, Jeanne. We have come to free you and your boyfriend from the tethers of the physical realm", and Jeanne would be like "Oh. OK". Tom loves to troll his readers. And saying things like "It's gonna be the fight of the comic" means he has you where he wants you. Remember how "The Breakout" was going to the the fight of the comic? ...or maybe it will be the fight of the comic. At this point, who knows. Possibly the troll of the comic? |
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Post by arf on Oct 19, 2016 11:16:38 GMT
"The Coward Heart" has already been used for a thread title. Maybe "I do remember you, coward heart", "No tricks, no deception" or simply "We will fight"? "Snip"? |
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Post by csj on Oct 19, 2016 11:24:05 GMT
ALL THE BLOODY DORITOS ARE GONE
WHERE'S THE DAMN POPCORN MACHINE GONE OFF T... oh, sorry. Don't mind me.
(expecting a jump to annie soon though, since this is a bit of a natural pause)
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 19, 2016 11:47:00 GMT
...I am suddenly struck by the realization that this whole affair is Jeanne's doing. None of this would be happening had Jeanne not crossed the water over to Annie, who was sleeping on the river bank outside of Jeanne's jurisdiction (assuming that she approached her by choice). I'd pin the blame on Muut, personally. It was through his interference Annie was given the blinker stone and made aware of there being a ghost by the Annan river(or more precisely, made aware that the light was a ghost beyond the psychopomps' reach). I speculate that without the blinker stone Jeanne wouldn't have been able to cross the river, and subsequently to leave the mark on Annie, and she'd be unable to recognize Jeanne's portrait as the ghost later on. What's more, he has explicitly admitted that he did so in order to get Annie to get to work with Jeanne. I still wonder which was the important word on the linked page. Hopefully we'll know by the end of this chapter. |
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Post by snowflake on Oct 19, 2016 12:16:31 GMT
I'd pin the blame on Muut, personally. Oh, Muut definitely did his part to nudge Annie. The extent to which he had to bend the rules to put the stone in her hand was remarkable, if you consider that he couldn't even tell her the truth about her mother's death (presumably because that would have been too much of an interference with the living). However, I assume he had relied on Annie's nature to pull her toward Jeanne: I don't think he could foresee Jeanne approaching Annie. If he could, he would probably have chosen another way, rather than place Annie in danger of a Jeanne attack. I'm like 90% sure it was "waiting". What is Jeanne actually waiting for? Is she trapped in a constant state of waiting for her boyfriend? Is she waiting for Annie to rescue her? For Parley? It's not at all obvious what Muut means by it. If that's wrong, my bet is on "powerless". |
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Post by todd on Oct 19, 2016 12:35:54 GMT
I still wonder which was the important word on the linked page. Hopefully we'll know by the end of this chapter. I wouldn't recommend overthinking it. A lot of those notes at the bottom of the page aren't that serious, and some weren't even literally correct (cf. the infamous "monster trucks and electric guitars" remark). |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 19, 2016 13:30:30 GMT
The last panel needs some epic musical score. I'm going with the music from the Kirk/Spook fight scene in my head. At least, her attention is on Parley. With Andrew's influence 'snipped', she may be more likely to skewer one of the crew. The most dangerous sword still feels like the Sword of Damocles, that's been present this whole fight sequence. I imagine it would have gotten Blue, if Andrew's strings weren't involved. |
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Post by Gotolei on Oct 19, 2016 14:08:06 GMT
"No tricks, no deception," she said to Teleporting Girl Probably Hiding an End-Game Weapon.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 19, 2016 14:08:19 GMT
Side note: Since Jeanne's sword cut those threads then yes, the Tooth can also almost certainly cut them, maybe in more interesting ways.
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Post by casualobserver on Oct 19, 2016 14:15:25 GMT
Jeanne recognized Parley's "coward heart" when Parley was afraid of acknowledging her love for Andrew.
That's no longer the case! Parley used that accusation as motivation to acquire the courage of her heart's convictions. Jeanne should be able to recognize now that she and Parley have this in common. This revelation should alter Jeanne's attitude about Parley towards a more peaceful solution, right?
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Post by Nepycros on Oct 19, 2016 14:26:17 GMT
Side note: Since Jeanne's sword cut those threads then yes, the Tooth can also almost certainly cut them, maybe in more interesting ways. I wonder if the user has to be able to visualize, or at least conceive of the strings in order to cut them. If it were just a matter of slicing through all physical and etheric entities, then aren't there millions of invisible pixies dying every time Coyote's Tooth is swung? They might not even exist YET, but become real because a human thought of them in the future. Pixiecide is a very real concern. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 19, 2016 16:25:33 GMT
Jeanne recognized Parley's "coward heart" when Parley was afraid of acknowledging her love for Andrew. That's no longer the case! Parley used that accusation as motivation to acquire the courage of her heart's convictions. Jeanne should be able to recognize now that she and Parley have this in common. This revelation should alter Jeanne's attitude about Parley towards a more peaceful solution, right? First impressions are important, thus Jeanne may always call Parley the Coward Heart. Makes me wonder about Zimmy calling Kat "Big Nose". We saw how Zimmy sees Kat and Kat doesn't have a nose in Zimmyvision. Or a mouth, or eyes... I guess Zimmy didn't see Kat that way at first and thus the label Big Nose. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Oct 19, 2016 16:46:30 GMT
I expect a shift to Annie just before or soon after Parley and Jeanne engage. She and Kat will free Jeanne's love, and his presence will stop the fight.
If so, I'm totally fine with that!
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Post by vvaivi on Oct 19, 2016 16:54:29 GMT
No illusions No strings No tricks Final Destination |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Oct 19, 2016 19:32:54 GMT
...I am suddenly struck by the realization that this whole affair is Jeanne's doing. None of this would be happening had Jeanne not crossed the water over to Annie, who was sleeping on the river bank outside of Jeanne's jurisdiction (assuming that she approached her by choice). I'd pin the blame on Muut, personally. Nah. It was Annie's fault for being on the wrong side of the water. Jeanne was doing her job. Annie was not supposed to be there. Which technically makes it Ysengrin's fault for hijacking Robot's body, though that is really Robot's fault for going over there in the first place, which is Annie's fault because she was trying to help Shadow, who is at fault for getting trapped in the Courth. Which is ultimately Mr. Thorn's fault for being so careless. |
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Post by jda on Oct 19, 2016 20:18:03 GMT
I'd pin the blame on Muut, personally. Nah. It was Annie's fault for being on the wrong side of the water. Jeanne was doing her job. Annie was not supposed to be there. Which technically makes it Ysengrin's fault for hijacking Robot's body, though that is really Robot's fault for going over there in the first place, which is Annie's fault because she was trying to help Shadow, who is at fault for getting trapped in the Courth. Which is ultimately Mr. Thorn's fault for being so careless. Well, in the real end, the Seed Bismuth was careless on creating a reality that could harbor such cruelty; I think it is the final culprit. |
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Post by fish on Oct 19, 2016 21:08:27 GMT
I'd pin the blame on Muut, personally. Nah. It was Annie's fault for being on the wrong side of the water. Jeanne was doing her job. Annie was not supposed to be there. No, Annie landed on the Forest side, Jeanne however has always been on the Court side. Her job is taking out anyone crossing over to the Court, but she doesn't harm anyone on the Forrest side. Else, why would the fairies need Annie to crush them with a rock? I, as well, get the feeling Jeanne cutting Annie that day was more than just happenstance. Edit: Didn't you argue the other way around a few pages back, contradicting the "Jeanne was doing her job" statement? Or am I misunderstanding your point here: |
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