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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 3, 2016 13:53:30 GMT
Polls can't be modified without erasing their contents One of the major flaws of this website. Ok, thank you. Every like to this post is a "Robot will die" vote. I think Robot is destined for a fate worse than being dispatched by Jeanne. In the sixth treaty it may be Robot being crucified in front of all the robots. This just doesn't seem to be martyr-ery enough.
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Post by physic on Sept 23, 2016 9:17:40 GMT
I really wish I had included an "other" category now. Oh well. Too late.
Either way, I don't think robot will actually die here. The fact is that it would have been ridiculously easy to make a copy of his data before going down. Even if they didn't, they only need to retrieve the small chip when they leave, not his entire body. On the other hand, if the illusion has actually broken now, I fear the people who voted "no one" are about to be disappointed.
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Post by saardvark on Sept 23, 2016 14:36:41 GMT
Polls can't be modified without erasing their contents One of the major flaws of this website. Ok, thank you. Every like to this post is a "Robot will die" vote. Definitely possible... would set him up as a sort of John the Baptist prophet/martyr to the Angel.
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Post by Per on Sept 23, 2016 15:18:47 GMT
I think Robot has too much of a role in the Kat plot to be written out during the resolution (!? etc.) of a completely different plot thread.
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Post by saardvark on Sept 23, 2016 15:41:20 GMT
I think Robot has too much of a role in the Kat plot to be written out during the resolution (!? etc.) of a completely different plot thread. You may well be right, but I have the feeling that this struggle with Jeanne won't be cost-free.... maybe not a death, but I can't see it concluding without some major change/consequence. Jeanne is too big a plot element to be easily resolved....
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Post by jda on Sept 23, 2016 16:52:57 GMT
Even if they didn't, they only need to retrieve the small chip when they leave, not his entire body. I disagree. I think Robot has surpased by far the limits of what could be called "Robotic sentience". I believe that his (ok, I'm going antropocentric here) new organic body is meshing with the digital one in more that one sense, thus creating Proprioception (awareness of the own body), and Nociception (awareness of pain) , and residing in the FULL BODY experience. Kat has helped him in creating a truly new form of authentic Awareness, and being so, Irreplaceable. I fear that even in his datachip, Robot is lost.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 23, 2016 17:36:23 GMT
Even if they didn't, they only need to retrieve the small chip when they leave, not his entire body. I disagree. I think Robot has surpased by far the limits of what could be called "Robotic sentience". I believe that his (ok, I'm going antropocentric here) new organic body is meshing with the digital one in more that one sense, thus creating Proprioception (awareness of the own body), and Nociception (awareness of pain) , and residing in the FULL BODY experience. Kat has helped him in creating a truly new form of authentic Awareness, and being so, Irreplaceable. I fear that even in his datachip, Robot is lost. I still believe that as long as Kat didn't add some other memory storage device, he could be rebuilt from his "memory" chip, in the same way that a human brain could (theoretically) be attached to a new body. Whether that makes him the "same" robot would be a question for the philosophers (Ship of Theseus Problem, anyone?), but he would still have the same memories and experiences and the "original model". Personally, my philosophical outlook would consider him to be the same robot, in any meaningful sense. But my personal belief is that Robot permanently dies soon, because The Angel requires the death of believers for her ascension, and that plotline has been hinted at for a while.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 23, 2016 22:11:12 GMT
I disagree. I think Robot has surpased by far the limits of what could be called "Robotic sentience". I believe that his (ok, I'm going antropocentric here) new organic body is meshing with the digital one in more that one sense, thus creating Proprioception (awareness of the own body), and Nociception (awareness of pain) , and residing in the FULL BODY experience. Kat has helped him in creating a truly new form of authentic Awareness, and being so, Irreplaceable. I fear that even in his datachip, Robot is lost. I still believe that as long as Kat didn't add some other memory storage device, he could be rebuilt from his "memory" chip, in the same way that a human brain could (theoretically) be attached to a new body. Whether that makes him the "same" robot would be a question for the philosophers (Ship of Theseus Problem, anyone?), but he would still have the same memories and experiences and the "original model". Personally, my philosophical outlook would consider him to be the same robot, in any meaningful sense. But my personal belief is that Robot permanently dies soon, because The Angel requires the death of believers for her ascension, and that plotline has been hinted at for a while. I also think Robot's destiny is to be a martyr. I used to think he would sacrifice himself protecting Kat, but now my guess is that he will sacrifice himself protecting Shadow from the Court.
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Post by warrl on Sept 24, 2016 16:57:30 GMT
I really wish I had included an "other" category now. Oh well. Too late. Either way, I don't think robot will actually die here. The fact is that it would have been ridiculously easy to make a copy of his data before going down. But Robot's CPU has an extra part that Kat didn't know the function of. It's possible that she's figured that out and can duplicate it, but maybe not... and does she have a source of spare robot-processor chips? That's the minimum everyone else is hoping for.
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Post by aline on Sept 24, 2016 21:18:32 GMT
It doesn't matter that much how it will be justified in-comic. From a narrative point of view, it doesn't make much sense for Robot to die now and with so little build up. You don't kill a major character who's been here since the beginning of the comic within one page, leaving behind an unfinished storyline. Robot still has a lot to do. I expect his experience of being cut apart by a vengeful ghost will further feed his mystical path.
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Post by jda on Sept 25, 2016 5:22:20 GMT
I expect his experience of being cut apart by a vengeful ghost will further feed his mystical path. In fact, my pet theory right now is that Robot will be "restored" in a new body, but having lost his original organic body, he could not remember/access/relate to his memories while em-bodied, that is, Pain breaking his hand, Arousal from Shadow's touch, Death by ghost sword etc. Thus being the "living experience" his Paradise Lost, and the final Trigger for Full Frontal Pressure on Kat on Robotic Ascension.
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Post by csj on Sept 27, 2016 5:26:11 GMT
I expect his experience of being cut apart by a vengeful ghost will further feed his mystical path. In fact, my pet theory right now is that Robot will be "restored" in a new body, but having lost his original organic body, he could not remember/access/relate to his memories while em-bodied, that is, Pain breaking his hand, Arousal from Shadow's touch, Death by ghost sword etc. Thus being the "living experience" his Paradise Lost, and the final Trigger for Full Frontal Pressure on Kat on Robotic Ascension. He's already 'categorised' the input and presumably recorded it in some way. I will grant though; we don't know if the biological components have their own memory; robot's interaction with Shadow seemed to imply that 'muscle memories' and the like may have been independently recorded, perhaps within the limbs themselves. And of course, knowing what pain is and remembering how pain 'feels' are two different things so I'd say he'll retain a pretty good understanding of what it was like being a partial bio-bot, but perhaps lament the loss of sensation and 'feelings' that were previously experienced. Overall, I'm inclined to believe that robot will not forget his 'martyrdom'. He'll probably want more life either way...
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Post by rafk on Sept 27, 2016 20:54:25 GMT
No, unless you count Jeanne going to the ether. If someone gets killed in order to lay Jeanne to rest it makes this whole adventure and plot thread very hard to justify for the protagonists. I don't think think we really need a bout of angst and guilt for Annie and Kat to surpass anything seen so far in GC.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 12, 2016 7:08:52 GMT
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED MOST DEFINITIVELY.
SEVEN PEOPLE WERE CORRECT. THEY WILL RECEIVE PRIZES IN THE MAIL.
THANKS FOR PLAYING, EVERYONE. *PARTY*
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Post by download on Oct 12, 2016 7:21:31 GMT
I'm surprised by the poll results. Over on /co/ the leading "who is going to die" vote was by far Blue.
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Post by rafk on Oct 12, 2016 8:21:11 GMT
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED MOST DEFINITIVELY. SEVEN PEOPLE WERE CORRECT. THEY WILL RECEIVE PRIZES IN THE MAIL. THANKS FOR PLAYING, EVERYONE. *PARTY*I'm not paying out bets until I see the body.
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Post by zaferion on Oct 12, 2016 9:36:45 GMT
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED MOST DEFINITIVELY. SEVEN PEOPLE WERE CORRECT. THEY WILL RECEIVE PRIZES IN THE MAIL. THANKS FOR PLAYING, EVERYONE. *PARTY*I'm not paying out bets until I see the body. Allow me to join you in violently clinging to false hope. *VIOLENTLY CLINGS TO FALSE HOPE*
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Post by snowflake on Oct 12, 2016 10:38:19 GMT
I'm not paying out bets until I see the body. Yep. Until we see a body OUTSIDE of the ether, the bluniverse, the sim, etc., I am staying in my comfy denial.
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Post by philman on Oct 12, 2016 12:17:08 GMT
Hey the chapter isn't over yet people, and the known killer Jeanne is still on the loose. The body count may still rise further!
More poll winners, yay! (Winning is the important part, right?
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Post by jda on Oct 12, 2016 15:57:39 GMT
Hey the chapter isn't over yet people, and the known killer Jeanne is still on the loose. The body count may still rise further! More poll winners, yay! (Winning is the important part, right? As I said, there should be multiple choices... What if Robot, Blue and now a complicit Fae with sticky hair (up it goes!) are just the beginning of the body count??
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Post by Eversist on Oct 12, 2016 18:50:48 GMT
I'm not paying out bets until I see the body. Allow me to join you in violently clinging to false hope. *VIOLENTLY CLINGS TO FALSE HOPE* Really does seem a bit premature.
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Post by physic on Oct 12, 2016 19:11:31 GMT
Rest in peace Red's friend. We 'ardly knew yeh :'-( I knew I should have made a bet. 33 people voted for no-one. I could have made a killing. Hey the chapter isn't over yet people, and the known killer Jeanne is still on the loose. The body count may still rise further! More poll winners, yay! (Winning is the important part, right? As I said, there should be multiple choices... What if Robot, Blue and now a complicit Fae with sticky hair (up it goes!) are just the beginning of the body count?? There was and still is nothing stopping you from selecting multiple people from the list. On a more speculative note, things are looking bad in both the immediate and long term future. With Red's friend dead, the entire crew is in massive danger. Even assuming Andrew is about to bip everyone home, what are they going to tell the Court? "Sorry, we decided to try to dismantle your ancient security system and got one of your precious fairies killed" ? Imagine how bad Andrew and Parley are going to look. Are they going to lose their jobs and will Annie get expelled? What if the forest uses this as an excuse to stop sending fairies? Until now, it was possible to keep the affair secret, even if they succeeded. Now, there are just so many ways that the death of this small fairy could blow up. Me thinks there be turbulent times ahead.
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Post by todd on Oct 13, 2016 0:23:32 GMT
On a more speculative note, things are looking bad in both the immediate and long term future. With Red's friend dead, the entire crew is in massive danger. Even assuming Andrew is about to bip everyone home, what are they going to tell the Court? "Sorry, we decided to try to dismantle your ancient security system and got one of your precious fairies killed" ? Imagine how bad Andrew and Parley are going to look. Are they going to lose their jobs and will Annie get expelled? What if the forest uses this as an excuse to stop sending fairies? Until now, it was possible to keep the affair secret, even if they succeeded. Now, there are just so many ways that the death of this small fairy could blow up. Me thinks there be turbulent times ahead. With the problem that who will replace Smith as the Court Medium after thix - especially with the likelihood that relations with Gillitie Wood will be even worse after that?
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Oct 13, 2016 2:34:44 GMT
I'm not paying out bets until I see the body. Allow me to join you in violently clinging to false hope. *VIOLENTLY CLINGS TO FALSE HOPE* Call it false hope if you want, but when reality distortion is involved - especially from someone who's played dead before - it's simply pragmatic to wait until we get a real-world accounting of the dead bodies. It's no different from not seeing a body after an explosion: assume alive until proven otherwise. [edit] haha, I just noticed Daedalus mentioned seven people choosing the correct character, but now there's nine votes for her. We gotta have a way to lock these polls down after a certain point to avoid the late voters ;P
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Post by jda on Oct 13, 2016 14:20:59 GMT
We gotta have a way to lock these polls down after a certain point to avoid the late voters ;P No way, it's my constitutional right to change my mind and disown my past decisions.
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Post by rafk on Oct 14, 2016 7:30:16 GMT
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED MOST DEFINITIVELY. SEVEN PEOPLE WERE CORRECT. THEY WILL RECEIVE PRIZES IN THE MAIL. THANKS FOR PLAYING, EVERYONE. *PARTY*Way, way too late to edit this away now
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 14, 2016 8:18:48 GMT
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED MOST DEFINITIVELY. SEVEN PEOPLE WERE CORRECT. THEY WILL RECEIVE PRIZES IN THE MAIL. THANKS FOR PLAYING, EVERYONE. *PARTY*Way, way too late to edit this away now I am not omniscient. As I said elsewhere though, I still consider this something of a cop-out.
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Post by Per on Oct 14, 2016 8:27:07 GMT
I don't think it can be labelled a cop-out unless there was a narrative imperative to kill off Blue there, and I don't think there was. The effect that has people feeling tricked right now is likely not going to be the same when the comic is read in real time.
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Post by stef1987 on Oct 14, 2016 15:56:13 GMT
haha, called it! (though ofcourse I guess someone could still die)
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Post by jda on Oct 17, 2016 15:20:35 GMT
haha, called it! (though ofcourse I guess someone could still die) Well, seems it's time to actualize the poll's result again, now with Smitty on the Top 2 list.
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