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Post by Daedalus on Jul 22, 2016 7:00:31 GMT
WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD UPSo presumably this isn't actually history - this is something like Zimmingham, composed of the warped memories of all participants. Or time travel just became canon in the Gunnerverse. I refuse to believe that's Parley's ancestor or something.
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Post by Nepycros on Jul 22, 2016 7:03:55 GMT
I wonder if Parley's great grandma also has a very George-like name, as is tradition.
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Post by pasko on Jul 22, 2016 7:04:40 GMT
Well, the most logical conclusion is that Jeanne mistook Parley with her old friend, when she saw her down the ravine.
Probably also this girl has a "gleaming heart".
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Post by wombat on Jul 22, 2016 7:14:20 GMT
Or reincarnation (that is also physical, not just spiritual). Or someone's dreaming? Jeanne? Do ghosts dream?
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 22, 2016 7:15:09 GMT
I now assume that this is some dream-like reconstruction of Jeanne's.
So far, only her face has been seen, meaning the rest are not people she thinks of as individuals.
The appearance of Parley means that is someone she is thinking of as a person.
What's more, Parley is courting some gentlemen. The major thing Jeanne knows of Parley is that she had someone she loved; it would make sense to imagine Parley in such a situation.
I find it curious that she treats Parley as a close friend. Unless she is about to reconstruct her telling her not to pursue romance; memory is funny that way when you're a being mostly consisting of hatred.
Unless my ancient speculation(which I don't believe anymore) that Jeanne swapped bodies with Parley at their encounter is true. If so, we'll find out soon.
All in all, an interesting development.
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Post by arf on Jul 22, 2016 7:19:23 GMT
...or a dream of George's?
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Post by turion on Jul 22, 2016 7:27:40 GMT
...or an in-universe comic drawn by Paz?
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Post by turion on Jul 22, 2016 7:29:13 GMT
Also note that the chapter icon seems to display Jeanne and ???Parley-lookalike??? together.
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Post by philman on Jul 22, 2016 7:35:28 GMT
Wait, what?
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Post by speedwell on Jul 22, 2016 8:11:08 GMT
Fringe/bang hairstyles were not unknown in the Victorian era, for girls and for women, but the fringe tended to be tightly curled into ringlets. They'd both be expected to wear their hair up by sixteen; you can find photos of Victorian women wearing it down, but those are typically artistic photos, not photos of woman in daily life. Parley's hairstyle is wholly anachronistic, and Jeanne's mostly so, unless she is fourteen.
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Post by rafk on Jul 22, 2016 8:25:38 GMT
Fringe/bang hairstyles were not unknown in the Victorian era, for girls and for women, but the fringe tended to be tightly curled into ringlets. They'd both be expected to wear their hair up by sixteen; you can find photos of Victorian women wearing it down, but those are typically artistic photos, not photos of woman in daily life. Parley's hairstyle is wholly anachronistic, and Jeanne's mostly so, unless she is fourteen. Of course, Jeanne rebelled against the strictures of her society. Anyway, the appearance of Parley in this sequence demonstrates this is far from a mere historical recap of moments in Jeanne's life, and there's no real basis for speculation that's not wild guessing, guess it's Wait, Read and Find Out time. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 22, 2016 8:42:01 GMT
Why does no one think it's an ancestor? I mean, it could very well be some kind of dream sequence and that would be cool, but this being Parley's great grandma seems like the simplest explanation.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jul 22, 2016 8:49:10 GMT
Because your great grandma rarely looks this identical to you.
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Post by esc7 on Jul 22, 2016 8:52:48 GMT
WHAT
WHAT
That is Parley, or at least we're supposed to identify her as Parley. Could be an ancestor, but I don't think Parley was born and raised in the Court.
This is weirdness...this could be a constructed dream by Jeanne or even some sort of shared reality in the ether or something else.
WHAT
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Post by tiberius on Jul 22, 2016 9:13:43 GMT
I fear, Tom might not solve this little riddle anytime soon. Could it be, that the whole chapter will be without speech?
It's ok to speculate, right? Well, my two cents then: I find it weird that we have never seen George's eye color (unless I am mistaken and have missed that, could be I'm missing a lot, lately), but in this, her eyes are brown. So, we likely can't rule out whether it is really her or not. Yes, indeed, no ancestor so far has looked like their child, grand-child or whatnot, but they all had similarities.
If this was a dream - initiated by Zimmy or not (even though, I don't believe she might help them with this) - I would imagine George being closer to her current body shape. But she looks a lot less buff (does that make any sense?).
My best bet is that this is a view back into Jeanne's history. About what she went through and not an Inception-like mind-introduction of Parley into Jeanne's mind. From my point of view, this weren't so peaceful.
Or, in a page or two, we see Coyote's face and this is his story about Jeanne after the Three walked into the forest and asked him about the case. He introduces Jeanne's best friend and describes her as being just like Parley.
In any case, this looks really interesting ... the plot thickens, me thinks.
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 22, 2016 9:42:47 GMT
Because your great grandma rarely looks this identical to you. ....This is the comic where a vengeful ghost guards a ravine from any of the animals, fairies, humans or gods who might try to cross, and the only kids who might be able to stop her are a half-elemental girl with pyrokinesis, a girl who can bap and a boy with all the luck in the world at his fingertips. And that's without getting into Kat, Paz and the robots. |
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Post by calpal on Jul 22, 2016 11:13:23 GMT
Yep, I got nothing until I see more. Like this COULD be an ancestor, but that's just too eerily familiar. Hmm... I wonder if there was any significance to Jeanne calling Parley "fille" before. Maybe that's what she referred to her ancestor as, like some sort of nickname? She did primarily speak English, mixing up a bit of French in there as well, I believe. |
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Post by Gulby on Jul 22, 2016 11:16:19 GMT
I'm with those who think this is memories of Jeanne but she's somewhat mistaking George for an old friend (or the reverse). Because Annie and George have descended into the ravine with some precautions of some sort and they are in the spirit of Jeanne or something along that.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 22, 2016 11:19:16 GMT
Yep, I got nothing until I see more. Like this COULD be an ancestor, but that's just too eerily familiar. Hmm... I wonder if there was any significance to Jeanne calling Parley "fille" before. Maybe that's what she referred to her ancestor as, like some sort of nickname? She did primarily speak English, mixing up a bit of French in there as well, I believe. Uh... Fllle is French for Girl. Jeanne didn't know Parley's name so she she just referred to Parley "girl". And that text wasn't in a speech bubble so it may have been a thought instead of a statement. To each his own, but I didn't read anything more into it. |
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Post by mynie on Jul 22, 2016 11:26:15 GMT
I doubt this is an ancestor. Tom's already shown us that Jeanne hates Parley for her "gleaming heart" and for being a "coddled child" of the court. He never gave us any prior indications that there could be any other reasons for her have other than that. This girl being an ancestor would be too much of a wayward and unnecessary plot point. Of course, Tom's a pretty great storyteller, so I suppose he could even have spun this plot point well(ish), but it just seems like it'd be too sloppy for him.
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Post by zaferion on Jul 22, 2016 11:34:35 GMT
Hmm... I wonder if there was any significance to Jeanne calling Parley "fille" before. Maybe that's what she referred to her ancestor as, like some sort of nickname? She did primarily speak English, mixing up a bit of French in there as well, I believe. is just French for girl. I'm going to use Occam's razor; the simplest explanation is that this is some girl from Jeanne's past that bears a striking resemblance to Parley. If there was anything sinister going on there would be a dark undertone to the art somewhere, but so far it's just been light, ethereal watercolors. So I don't think this is Jeanne mixing up her memories or otherwise pretending that Parley is someone else, but Tom using the extremely different art style to show us how cultured and refined the Court was during Jeanne's time (as opposed to now, which is dark colors and hard, scientific lines). |
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 22, 2016 11:44:55 GMT
I think I agree with Tiberius.
If this was our Parley, she'd flex out of that dress cause she's ripped.
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Post by Miri on Jul 22, 2016 12:31:10 GMT
This has got to be an ancestor--probably drawn this similar to make sure we get the connection, but this woman definitely appears to be around the same age that Parley is now, without the slayer!muscles.
No word on whether Jeanne and this woman are STILL this close at the time of Jeanne's death--Jeanne would have a lot more knowledge to say that THIS woman is a coddled child of the court (someone who could have helped or saved her, and didn't, for whatever reason?) than Parley, who she's met for ~ten minutes.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Jul 22, 2016 12:41:20 GMT
My vote is now on dream. One: Parley. Two: the ethereal, cloud-like borders. Put 'em together such that Parley and Jeanne are both in dresses smiling at each other...
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Post by dotdotdot on Jul 22, 2016 12:45:00 GMT
OH. OKAY.
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Post by arzeik on Jul 22, 2016 13:08:07 GMT
Don't know why so many people here think this is Parley or some ancestor of hers. It's clearly Mr Eglamore time travelling.
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Post by fish on Jul 22, 2016 13:15:40 GMT
The thread title is very apt, I must say.
It's to early to get into speculations for me. At this point every one of the previously posted speculations might be true. Let the waiting game begin!
edit: though I cast my vote for dream mash up.
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 22, 2016 13:16:47 GMT
I fear, Tom might not solve this little riddle anytime soon. Could it be, that the whole chapter will be without speech? Though it would get old pretty quick, I rather like this idea. The story could be ambiguous enough to give us a general idea, but allow for wild speculation and hidden meanings. My vote's for ancestor. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 22, 2016 13:28:39 GMT
We time travel now
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Post by Eversist on Jul 22, 2016 13:30:26 GMT
I wonder if Tom's only going to show us this "dreamscape" and at the end of the chapter everything will be resolved in the real world, but we'll be left to try and parse out what happened through this lens.
First thought, anyway.
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