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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 1, 2016 8:02:56 GMT
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Post by pasko on Feb 1, 2016 8:10:32 GMT
As I saidThere is still a chekhov's gun to shoot.
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Post by Gotolei on Feb 1, 2016 8:18:14 GMT
I guess it is kinda hard to be a fatherly figure when you can just be ordered to shut up at any time.
Not sure if Kat's reaction here is a good or bad thing. Yeah it's nice that she still has that level of trust in Annie, but at the same time it seems kinda hasty.
Guessing at this point in time, Annie still hasn't gotten around to letting the others know her side of things?
How much time has passed since the forest re-meetings? Two, maybe three days?
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Post by psybershadow on Feb 1, 2016 8:24:59 GMT
I wonder what role Tony is supposed to play now. Because he seems to be being swept aside a bit at the moment, which is strange because didn't Tom mention he'd been waiting to get him into the story for a long while now? What purpose does he serve?
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Post by Per on Feb 1, 2016 8:31:24 GMT
Second-panel hair layering mishap  |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 1, 2016 10:06:23 GMT
Rey looks so huggable here  But on a serious note, I agree with the analysis of the other people in this thread: when Annie commanded Renard to "be quiet" a while ago, things did change in their relationship. Although I'm glad that they didn't seem to remain hostile to each other, Annie had exerted strong control over him and thus broken his trust established here. Renard can't act as her father figure while under her control, since we've now seen she can't be trusted to not abuse it. There is still a chekhov's gun to shoot. Also, it's my birthday today! Party, party, par-tay!!  |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 1, 2016 10:26:04 GMT
Not sure if Kat's reaction here is a good or bad thing. Yeah it's nice that she still has that level of trust in Annie, but at the same time it seems kinda hasty. She usually erred on the side of overeagerness rather than being too cautious. Besides, Annie looks like she's much better now. She spaced out, but that's mostly normal for her, and besides she may be a little tired. Guessing at this point in time, Annie still hasn't gotten around to letting the others know her side of things? Never postpone anything to tomorrow if you can postpone it indefinitely, indeed. Maybe they have things to sort out, too? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 1, 2016 11:24:35 GMT
I wonder what role Tony is supposed to play now. Because he seems to be being swept aside a bit at the moment, which is strange because didn't Tom mention he'd been waiting to get him into the story for a long while now? What purpose does he serve? Anthony is still busy recovering after the Court threw him under the bus to deflect Coyote's anger. As a plot element, he is set up to: - Be in conflict with Renard, as pointed out by pasko , my guess is a test of Renard's self-restraint - Reveal more about why Surma and James broke up and how she ended up with Anthony - Serve as an example of what Annie could have become if she didn't reconnect with her emotions - Omega device |
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Post by pasko on Feb 1, 2016 11:45:22 GMT
There is still a chekhov's gun to shoot. Exactly. Also, it's my birthday today! Party, party, par-tay!! Happy b-day |
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Post by arzeik on Feb 1, 2016 12:00:51 GMT
I cannot but imagine Kat stepping back in disbelief between panels three and five, then wondering for a minute whether Annie was just pulling her leg and finally deciding: "Whatever, it's good to see them together again". More or less my reaction here. Also, it's my birthday today! Party, party, par-tay!! Happy birthday, man! |
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Post by Trillium on Feb 1, 2016 13:52:59 GMT
Not sure if Kat's reaction here is a good or bad thing. Yeah it's nice that she still has that level of trust in Annie, but at the same time it seems kinda hasty. She usually erred on the side of overeagerness rather than being too cautious. Besides, Annie looks like she's much better now. She spaced out, but that's mostly normal for her, and besides she may be a little tired. Guessing at this point in time, Annie still hasn't gotten around to letting the others know her side of things? Never postpone anything to tomorrow if you can postpone it indefinitely, indeed. Maybe they have things to sort out, too? It is possible Kat can act as a mediator here or perhaps she can just stand back and give Rey and Annie a bit more time to sort things out. All three of these guys are interlocked relationship wise. |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 1, 2016 14:28:39 GMT
Now I'm wondering, what if there were "Buddy" adventures between them. I'm imagining an homage to Buddy Cop Shows named "Kat and Korgi!" Also, it's my birthday today! Party, party, par-tay!! Happy Birthday! |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Feb 1, 2016 20:02:04 GMT
Happy birthday Daedalus!
Yeah I wouldn't trust Annie to not abuse her the power to order Renard around either. Not until she is better able to exert control over her powers, emotions, and the direction of her life.
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 1, 2016 22:50:23 GMT
Yeah I wouldn't trust Annie to not abuse her the power to order Renard around either. Not until she is better able to exert control over her powers, emotions, and the direction of her life. Having absolute control over someone just scares me in general. Reminds me of this, a bit... Now I'm wondering, what if there were "Buddy" adventures between them. I'm imagining an homage to Buddy Cop Shows named "Kat and Korgi!" Like this?   |
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Post by todd on Feb 2, 2016 0:24:21 GMT
Anthony is still busy recovering after the Court threw him under the bus to deflect Coyote's anger. As a plot element, he is set up to: - Be in conflict with Renard, as pointed out by pasko , my guess is a test of Renard's self-restraint - Reveal more about why Surma and James broke up and how she ended up with Anthony - Serve as an example of what Annie could have become if she didn't reconnect with her emotions - Omega device For that matter, how will the Court's administration respond to Anthony caving on both letting Annie go back to the forest and giving her Reynardine back? I don't think it'll be too severe (I doubt the Court would stoop to the level of the petty super-villain who executes his henchmen for failure), but I doubt it'll be too happy about it - and will be facing the consequences of using a broken man as an instrument. |
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Post by rimwolf on Feb 2, 2016 0:44:14 GMT
But on a serious note, I agree with the analysis of the other people in this thread: when Annie commanded Renard to "be quiet" a while ago, things did change in their relationship. Although I'm glad that they didn't seem to remain hostile to each other, Annie had exerted strong control over him and thus broken his trust established here. Renard can't act as her father figure while under her control, since we've now seen she can't be trusted to not abuse it.
I think it's very significant, and encouraging, that Annie immediately objected to Kat's proposal before Renard said anything -- she knows it's a bad idea at this stage too. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 2, 2016 1:00:19 GMT
Anthony is still busy recovering after the Court threw him under the bus to deflect Coyote's anger. As a plot element, he is set up to: - Be in conflict with Renard, as pointed out by pasko , my guess is a test of Renard's self-restraint - Reveal more about why Surma and James broke up and how she ended up with Anthony - Serve as an example of what Annie could have become if she didn't reconnect with her emotions - Omega device For that matter, how will the Court's administration respond to Anthony caving on both letting Annie go back to the forest and giving her Reynardine back? I don't think it'll be too severe (I doubt the Court would stoop to the level of the petty super-villain who executes his henchmen for failure), but I doubt it'll be too happy about it - and will be facing the consequences of using a broken man as an instrument. I think the Court caved first when they blamed Anthony for keeping Annie from the Forest. As persuasive as Coyote thinks he is, I think Anthony stopped following the Court's wishes when the Court didn't back him up. |
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Post by corvis on Feb 2, 2016 1:39:31 GMT
Dropping by by for a quick hello! Been busy. I'd like to say that it's wonderful to see Renard's *real* face for once...I think we all know the one I mean. Also, happy birthday, Daedalus. Thanks for making me feel welcome. ^^ |
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Post by arf on Feb 2, 2016 2:06:44 GMT
Exactly. Also, it's my birthday today! Party, party, par-tay!! Happy b-day Note the thumbnail for this chapter, and have a happy birthday |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Feb 2, 2016 3:24:18 GMT
Also, it's my birthday today! Party, party, par-tay!!  heheheheheeee |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Feb 2, 2016 6:13:30 GMT
I love Renard's getting hugged by the ladies face. Gets me every time.
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2016 6:44:08 GMT
I love Renard's getting hugged by the ladies face. Gets me every time.  How Renard is feeling at the moment  |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 2, 2016 11:52:51 GMT
Why "he thinks"? It was a damn good argument. |
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Post by todd on Feb 2, 2016 12:44:06 GMT
The Court had probably intended to use Anthony as their instrument for blame from the start. Why else give him the job of disciplining Annie rather than do it themselves (apart, maybe, from Annie being more likely to obey her father than the Court administration)? They must have expected some trouble with Coyote over it, and decided that they'd need someone else for him to go after. But I don't think they'd expected as much trouble from Coyote as they had - and his knocking that tower over must have convinced them that they hadn't put enough thought into their plan. |
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Post by foresterr on Feb 2, 2016 13:54:52 GMT
Well, a very serious "forgive me Rey" suddenly becomes a tricky issue when Rey has to obey by contract  |
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Post by aline on Feb 2, 2016 21:13:43 GMT
The Court had probably intended to use Anthony as their instrument for blame from the start. Why else give him the job of disciplining Annie rather than do it themselves (apart, maybe, from Annie being more likely to obey her father than the Court administration)? I still think they never really cared all that much about disciplining Annie, and mainly used her to make Anthony come back and obediently work for them. I'm sure they weren't unhappy at the perspective of an Annie under control (especially after they failed to ban her from the forest, that was kinda humiliating) but seriously there were simpler ways to try and ground her. Also, they tracked Anthony for years, long before "disciplining Annie" was ever relevant. They must have a string interest in him aside from having a somewhat unruly daughter. |
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Post by l33tninja on Feb 2, 2016 23:40:30 GMT
The Court had probably intended to use Anthony as their instrument for blame from the start. Why else give him the job of disciplining Annie rather than do it themselves (apart, maybe, from Annie being more likely to obey her father than the Court administration)? I still think they never really cared all that much about disciplining Annie, and mainly used her to make Anthony come back and obediently work for them. I'm sure they weren't unhappy at the perspective of an Annie under control (especially after they failed to ban her from the forest, that was kinda humiliating) but seriously there were simpler ways to try and ground her. Also, they tracked Anthony for years, long before "disciplining Annie" was ever relevant. They must have a string interest in him aside from having a somewhat unruly daughter. I also think that the Court was more interested in what they could get from Anthony over what they could get from Annie. Annie knows relatively nothing about the Court's real intentions/work/existence; whereas Anthony is clearly immersed in it. Also, I'm sure the Court has designs on Annie's abilities, but for a future time. No doubt they are fully aware thanks to Surma about the existence of her fire elemental side. |
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Post by todd on Feb 3, 2016 0:08:25 GMT
I still think they never really cared all that much about disciplining Annie, and mainly used her to make Anthony come back and obediently work for them. I'm sure they weren't unhappy at the perspective of an Annie under control (especially after they failed to ban her from the forest, that was kinda humiliating) but seriously there were simpler ways to try and ground her. Also, they tracked Anthony for years, long before "disciplining Annie" was ever relevant. They must have a string interest in him aside from having a somewhat unruly daughter. I also think that the Court was more interested in what they could get from Anthony over what they could get from Annie. Annie knows relatively nothing about the Court's real intentions/work/existence; whereas Anthony is clearly immersed in it. Also, I'm sure the Court has designs on Annie's abilities, but for a future time. No doubt they are fully aware thanks to Surma about the existence of her fire elemental side. Given the consequences of Annie's meddling, I think the Court would want to have her reined in - and also, I think they'd probably want (without admitting it in public, of course) a negotiating pattern with Gilltie that would ensure that their wishes prevailed (if handled cautiously, to avoid provoking the forest-folk to war) rather than mediums who'd support the forest's concerns In fact, I suspect that they'd see as the one good point of the whole recent debacle (after Coyote's visit) the possibility that Annie had been broken enough that she'd lost the urge and will to go poking and prying about and would now be safely docile - with the big advantage that now the restraints are imposed from within rather than from without. (Fortunately for Annie and her friends, the Court is probably unaware of Annie's attempts to pull herself back together and thus can't try sabotaging them.) On the "simpler ways to try and ground her" - Annie had been ignoring their detentions, so they might have felt that the only way to achieve that was to have her father step in - Annie wouldn't be as ready to defy him as she would the Court officials. |
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Post by aline on Feb 4, 2016 9:07:11 GMT
Given the consequences of Annie's meddling, I think the Court would want to have her reined in - and also, I think they'd probably want (without admitting it in public, of course) a negotiating pattern with Gilltie that would ensure that their wishes prevailed (if handled cautiously, to avoid provoking the forest-folk to war) rather than mediums who'd support the forest's concerns I. Yeah well, Annie isn't the Court's medium. She's the Forest medium, replacing Ysengrin the crazy wolf with anger management issues who hates and despises the human race. I don't see how that really makes things worse for the Court, on the contrary. Unless there is a reason we don't know about that makes it important to keep her away from the forest. On the "simpler ways to try and ground her" - Annie had been ignoring their detentions, so they might have felt that the only way to achieve that was to have her father step in - Annie wouldn't be as ready to defy him as she would the Court officials. Seriously if you've ever looked at how a school works, you know they haven't even tried. There are a lot of escalation steps to make kids comply, starting with having a stern talk and warning of possible consequences. And the Court can make very big threats, they are in control of Annie's entire world. At the most extreme they could say the phrase "be a good girl now, or we throw you out and you can try being rebellious in the next orphanage". And what could she possibly do except tremble and obey? Nope. They never needed Tony for that. |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Feb 4, 2016 10:06:12 GMT
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