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Post by Nepycros on Dec 21, 2015 8:00:35 GMT
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 21, 2015 8:01:16 GMT
Anyone else a bit concerned by Robby's "Imposed Consequentialism" where he only sees value in sacrifice? Where does this stem from?
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Post by hellohello on Dec 21, 2015 8:05:19 GMT
Anyone else a bit concerned by Robby's "Imposed Consequentialism" where he only sees value in sacrifice? Where does this stem from? "I learned it from you, Dad!" |
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Post by psybershadow on Dec 21, 2015 8:05:47 GMT
Anyone else a bit concerned by Robby's "Imposed Consequentialism" where he only sees value in sacrifice? Where does this stem from? "It was worth it." Book of Thread - 45:31 |
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Post by rafk on Dec 21, 2015 8:07:33 GMT
On the plus side, he didn't have the helpful robots turned into paperclips.
Not yet, anyway.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 21, 2015 8:09:53 GMT
Look, it's Eglamore hiding in the crowd. |
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Post by psybershadow on Dec 21, 2015 8:10:41 GMT
Also, like I said somewhere, Tom has kind of subverted our expectations. It's almost like he's one of those memes where the first line comes off a certain way and the second line renders it innocent if not positive.
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Post by arf on Dec 21, 2015 8:10:49 GMT
Zero Sum Thinking, from a robot!?
That fellow in the last panel: his head says 'yes', but his heart...
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Post by Gotolei on Dec 21, 2015 8:10:59 GMT
Still wondering what the red borders mean. S13's state of mind?
And that last panel doesn't seem to be a silence of the not-uneasy kind.
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Post by Chancellor on Dec 21, 2015 8:26:42 GMT
Still wondering what the red borders mean. S13's state of mind? And that last panel doesn't seem to be a silence of the not-uneasy kind. There's a lot of metaphysical ground being broken for the first time to the robots. Surely won't be easy to digest. Also I'm a little rustled that Robot did not in fact to our knowledge go to show his new arm to Shadow, but rather to go foster his cult. All work and no play, man... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 21, 2015 8:31:13 GMT
And that last panel doesn't seem to be a silence of the not-uneasy kind. there may be considering ratting them out. Thus becoming the first robo-Judas. |
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Post by foresterr on Dec 21, 2015 8:40:49 GMT
And that last panel doesn't seem to be a silence of the not-uneasy kind. there may be considering ratting them out. Thus becoming the first robo-Judas. Yes please, I want to see more of the Court's TLA (this is what they must be, obvs  ) Regarding Robot's wisdom, he has a bit of a point. The job never feels done (with all the satisfaction it entails) unless it tires you out. However, by original tenets of the robot philosophy, to be still is to be dead. Interesting. |
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Post by oneandoneis2 on Dec 21, 2015 9:01:13 GMT
The clue is in the "no cost" part - he's just trying to remove a source of divide-by-zero bugs! Totally reasonable!  |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 21, 2015 9:51:01 GMT
Anyone else a bit concerned by Robby's "Imposed Consequentialism" where he only sees value in sacrifice? Where does this stem from? My guess: the first time that he saw Kat say something was "worth it", it came after the sacrifice of her long-term project to achieve other goals. I look forward to the perspective of the Ether-Bot. He's doubly-qualified to speak: as an authority on the Ether, which is at play here, and as a robot who works often with human equals. The ability to think and form independent opinions on abstract matters is one of the signs of artificial consciousness. It's both one of the things that make robots in the Gunnerverse so interesting, and the reason their beliefs may be able to affect the Ether. In other words, thinking independently is one of their best traits. I think it's high time for some of them to utilize it, rather than agreeing instantly to Robot's masochistic sermons. |
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Post by arf on Dec 21, 2015 10:28:04 GMT
Still wondering what the red borders mean. S13's state of mind? Looking back, I think they're where S13's sensation of pain has merged into the background. The sharp, jagged agony has become a dull, throbbing ache. What is S13 going to make of pain killers? |
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Post by Per on Dec 21, 2015 11:21:37 GMT
Anyone else a bit concerned by Robby's "Imposed Consequentialism" where he only sees value in sacrifice? Where does this stem from? It could be he primarily sees value in robots learning resentment, and the rest is just what he's selling. |
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Post by calpal on Dec 21, 2015 12:36:58 GMT
Huh, noticed something else, as well: the Court robot - Eggy? - is a different hue from the other robots. The others have light shades of blue and purple, more "fleshy"-esque tones that are more akin to robot's hues. But he (Eggy) has green tones, which might indicate that he has been less convinced of Robot's preachings - or more likely, loyal to the court, since Bobby in Chapter 42 also has green hues to him as well, and he seems to work more directly with the Court.
So this might be interesting... is there already division within the ranks?
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Post by stef1987 on Dec 21, 2015 12:56:29 GMT
Dang, Robot actually makes some sense Huh, noticed something else, as well: the Court robot - Eggy? - is a different hue from the other robots. The others have light shades of blue and purple, more "fleshy"-esque tones that are more akin to robot's hues. But he (Eggy) has green tones, which might indicate that he has been less convinced of Robot's preachings - or more likely, loyal to the court, since Bobby in Chapter 42 also has green hues to him as well, and he seems to work more directly with the Court. Or more likely, Tom is just trying out some different colors for the robots |
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 21, 2015 13:18:50 GMT
Strangest. TED talk. Ever.
No, wait. There was that one on Metamodernism by Reggie Watts. Still though...
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Post by l33tninja on Dec 21, 2015 16:21:38 GMT
Earning what we have and understanding the cost of something (not necessarily by PAIN, but at least by sacrificing something of worth for something of greater worth) is an essential characteristic to life. And I think Robot wants more "life" than just his existence as a tool. The hammer doesn't care how much it is used. But Robot does care. The robots will be better off if they can experience the loss that comes with sacrificing for something of greater value, because that is the only way to appreciate the value of what they achieve.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 21, 2015 17:28:58 GMT
And I think Robot wants more "life" than just his existence as a tool. Kat's probably seen Blade Runner. Probably wouldn't react well if Robot came up to her and asked for more life. The Love Boat experience was bad enough.  |
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Post by Trillium on Dec 21, 2015 17:30:58 GMT
And I think Robot wants more "life" than just his existence as a tool. Kat's probably seen Blade Runner. Probably wouldn't react well if Robot came up to her and asked for more life. The Love Boat experience was bad enough. He would probably be more subtle about it. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 21, 2015 18:49:31 GMT
Kat's probably seen Blade Runner. Probably wouldn't react well if Robot came up to her and asked for more life. The Love Boat experience was bad enough. He would probably be more subtle about it. He would work behind intermediaries who would choose the appropriate dramatic timing. But if that didn't work? Watch out, Paz. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 21, 2015 20:33:11 GMT
On the plus side, he didn't have the helpful robots turned into paperclips. Not yet, anyway. Give it time. It's the rebirth in HIS future. |
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Post by arf on Dec 21, 2015 20:51:44 GMT
Huh, noticed something else, as well: the Court robot - Eggy? - is a different hue from the other robots. The others have light shades of blue and purple, more "fleshy"-esque tones that are more akin to robot's hues. But he (Eggy) has green tones, which might indicate that he has been less convinced of Robot's preachings - or more likely, loyal to the court, since Bobby in Chapter 42 also has green hues to him as well, and he seems to work more directly with the Court. So this might be interesting... is there already division within the ranks? Tom has just re-started his chapter discussions, which dropped a hint that we've seen 'Eggy' before.This could get interesting. |
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Post by l33tninja on Dec 22, 2015 0:05:23 GMT
And I think Robot wants more "life" than just his existence as a tool. Kat's probably seen Blade Runner. Probably wouldn't react well if Robot came up to her and asked for more life. The Love Boat experience was bad enough. ah, Blade Runner. One of my favorites. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 22, 2015 19:49:52 GMT
By the way, just as a casual off-the-cuff observation, wouldn't it follow that the efforts that the robots will put into being friends with or having other relationships with humans will also become more "valuable" once they understand pain? You know, those same robots who are somewhat known for developing infatuations with females? If given flesh, they can come to understand the loss of an emotional investment (as the Love Boat demonstrated). Or not understand as the case may be.
But someday there will be bunches of robots who can offer emotional support to other robots. Perhaps they will enable bad behavior through misunderstandings. And start to document the ways in which they are superior to humans. And shape robot society in that ideological direction.
So, instead of the standard rebelling-against-their-creators thing perhaps they'd just kill all the men and enslave the women or something when they finally rise up? That would make an interesting comic. Goodbye funny robots of yore; hello creepy robots, perhaps you are predecessors of the pulp fiction robots of tomorrow!
[edit]Or maybe there will just be brobots; always up for a brew or some bball, but MAN they can't stand your gf...[/edit]
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