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Post by Nepycros on Dec 18, 2015 8:00:26 GMT
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Post by hellohello on Dec 18, 2015 8:04:08 GMT
Red outline?
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Post by psybershadow on Dec 18, 2015 8:04:11 GMT
As sour as this looks like it could end up being, Tom has subverted our expectations before. Like Tony giving back Reynard without fuss.
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Post by Gotolei on Dec 18, 2015 8:04:59 GMT
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Post by smurfton on Dec 18, 2015 8:07:06 GMT
The red outline started two pages ago, actually, fading in with the pain.
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Post by smjjames on Dec 18, 2015 8:09:29 GMT
Uhoh, dissent.
Also, this seems like a point where he might start screaming 'HERETICS!'
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 18, 2015 8:10:31 GMT
I wouldn't have so much trouble with Robby's mentality if he wasn't so hellbent on twisting the good intentions of those around him. That he pushes such divinity into a human's work ethic, or decides that there's some special purpose behind basic interaction between people bothers me to no end. It goes beyond defying what robots are generally useful for (as tools) and enters the realm of fetishistic daydreaming. The religion he's making, from the very beginning, is founded on assumptions that only someone with a predisposition for mysticism could ever be capable of...
He's not the kind of character I can understand or sympathize with, and I'm saddened by this.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 18, 2015 8:11:33 GMT
Most robots have sense, but I suspect that Robot, like any cult leader, will outmaneuver their minds.
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Post by psybershadow on Dec 18, 2015 8:18:39 GMT
I only just now realized in that comic, Tony has a red rim around his eyes suggesting irritation, suggesting tears. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 18, 2015 8:20:16 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet.
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Post by Freedomfiend on Dec 18, 2015 8:24:01 GMT
I hope this goes over into "But why help them with just our bodies when we can also serve them with our minds, not just as tools, but as friends!"
However, the way Robot's been going, I fear that's not the case. It seems like Tom is slowly turning a beloved character into a villain, and the fact that he's been doing it right under our noses this whole time makes it . . . pretty darn awesome, actually. I want to jump into the story and help, to turn Robot away from the path he's taking. Making people feel that way is a sign of good writing, the way I see it.
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Post by Freedomfiend on Dec 18, 2015 8:26:50 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet. Screw, wedge, lever, pulley, inclined plane, and wheel & axle. |
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Post by hellohello on Dec 18, 2015 8:27:25 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet. I'll give it a go. Screw, wedge, fulcrum/lever, pulley, inclined plane, wheel/cog. |
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Post by smjjames on Dec 18, 2015 8:28:14 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet. Wheel, slope, pulley, lever, wedge, screw Edit: Slope isn't the technical term, but it's the same. |
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Post by noone3 on Dec 18, 2015 8:42:30 GMT
I hope this goes over into "But why help them with just our bodies when we can also serve them with our minds, not just as tools, but as friends!" Yup. I bet'cha.  |
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Post by foresterr on Dec 18, 2015 8:53:14 GMT
You know, Robot has a point here, in that you may need a dose of randomness, of not fully knowing yourself, so to speak, to exhibit creativity. And that is something that might come from all the information overload that a biological (or in this case, biomimetic) device is spewing constantly.
Of course, he's wrong. Original models created the contemporary court robots, it wasn't mere copying - and I doubt they were capable of something that the current models can't do.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 18, 2015 9:04:04 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet. Wheel, slope, pulley, lever, wedge, screw Edit: Slope isn't the technical term, but it's the same. Inclined plane is the proper fancified term but I'll accept slope or ramp. |
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Post by philman on Dec 18, 2015 9:13:39 GMT
The first split in the robot church? Heretics!
Robot's front of Judea vs The Judean Robot's front.
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Post by davidm on Dec 18, 2015 10:19:47 GMT
I wouldn't have so much trouble with Robby's mentality if he wasn't so hellbent on twisting the good intentions of those around him. That he pushes such divinity into a human's work ethic, or decides that there's some special purpose behind basic interaction between people bothers me to no end. It goes beyond defying what robots are generally useful for (as tools) and enters the realm of fetishistic daydreaming. The religion he's making, from the very beginning, is founded on assumptions that only someone with a predisposition for mysticism could ever be capable of... He's not the kind of character I can understand or sympathize with, and I'm saddened by this. A member of a cult can feel the same way as you... they have trouble understanding the crazy outside world that twists the good intention of only sane (cult) people. Eg Pol Pot got rid of all the crazy "mystics" and their crazy daydreaming, and helped bring his country into a more sensible balance with nature. Ernst Rohm is similar example. (Many people today might happily agree with propaganda with localized details given by such people translated into own language if they didn't know the source) People are very good at being critical of half truths and propaganda if it is something they don't agree with. When they do agree with the cause, a real challenge to disagree with propaganda, especially if all their friends go along with it. 2 very similar Beetles songs "Imagine" and "Let it be"... both give an idea that "leads to utopia if everyone applies", one by atheists, one by catholics... could point to "good examples"... but could also point to multiple different regimes that acted as "cults"... millions died as result in each and horrors from people often supposedly chasing the ideal portrayed. The court is going after their Omega project, may be own way to supposedly improve humans though Science! (and may contain elements of delusion) Carl Sagan's baloney detector kit... gives some of methods of propaganda compared to good logic... common in different sides of politics, religion, atheism, science, environmental concern, etc to find people failing the baloney detector test. Milgram experiment... 2/3 of people from various different cultures could be convinced to do horror type things (torture and possible murder) if someone else was leader and they were just following orders. |
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Post by rafk on Dec 18, 2015 11:01:07 GMT
I have a really really bad feeling about this #prayforhelpfulrobots
I mean, Tom coooould be screwing with us again, but this kind of feels like a "Coyote eats Ysengrim's memories" crossing the line moment coming up.
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Post by calpal on Dec 18, 2015 11:41:20 GMT
Oh boy, I am detecting a bit of resentment towards your plot in life, Robot. That would be a delicious shame if you were to go and cause more problems now... It would be a tragedy if you were to usher in a Civil War in the Court, just as I predicted...
Also, I feel that this just really needs to be highlighted: "They overcome their physical weakness with the power of their minds... we are content to act as mere tools."
Recognizing his body as "weak" is now opening his mind to ideas. Curious to see where this will all go now.
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Post by davidm on Dec 18, 2015 11:47:41 GMT
Oh boy, I am detecting a bit of resentment towards your plot in life, Robot. That would be a delicious shame if you were to go and cause more problems now... It would be a tragedy if you were to usher in a Civil War in the Court, just as I predicted...Also, I feel that this just really needs to be highlighted: "They overcome their physical weakness with the power of their minds... we are content to act as mere tools." Recognizing his body as "weak" is now opening his mind to ideas. Curious to see where this will all go now. If it was a woman in a society where women had few rights and acted as slaves of men, you likely would feel differently. Similar if Roman empire where only Roman Citizens had power. (But a citizen of roman empire would curse Sparticus) If it was Star Trek, the next generation and Data is giving same speech, you may feel differently. Brave New World, caste system of humans grown in test tubes, all people are manufactured by the world government, father and mother are obscene ideas, the lower castes are intentionally brain damaged to enjoy the slave labor jobs... (The world government strives to make everyone happy) Depending on the context and whether it is "our" side or some other foreign side helps define whether change or revolution is good or bad. Humans dream of making robot servants bound by "3 rules of robots", etc to serve humans. The same humans would not want to be bound by same sort of rules if they found out they were made by a similar "god"/creator. These robots are not made by humans but by other robots.... their parents then deactivated themselves. Those parents in turn were made by Diego. So by logic of creator=authority to decide your position in life, the only rules these robots are really bound by are the rules of Diego... "Jeanne is beautiful", "Jeannie died and we did nothing", etc. Most humans would not like idea of being bound by rules of their grandfather. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 18, 2015 12:18:03 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet. I'll catch the one everyone else has missed... The red dude. He is clearly a tool, probably an alcohol powered stick actuator.  On a more serious note: - The Bots clearly need more divine inspiration to raise above their programming and embrace their new future. Robot will redouble his efforts. - What really creeps me out is the potential for Robot to approach Anthony levels of terribleness. Anthony isn't a villain, he is just broken and messes things up when he tries to do what he thinks is best. We knew Robot was different, but we've seen him evolve into this creepy cult leader that is now looking sketchy even to his cult. It is easy to imagine how Robot could really mess things up when he tries to do what he thinks is best. |
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Post by wlerin on Dec 18, 2015 12:45:42 GMT
Most humans would not like idea of being bound by rules of their grandfather. If you understand "most" temporally rather than purely numerically, this isn't true. In many cultures it was and is considered honourable and desirable to hold to the traditions that set ones family apart, usually laid down by ancestors (see: most countries in Asia today, medieval and ancient world, primitive cultures). Distaste for this idea seems a rather modern and Western development, and thus I expect is cultural rather than innate. Obviously, traditions are not laws in the same way that Asimov's 3 laws are, but they're still a common feature of humanity. We knew Robot was different, but we've seen him evolve into this creepy cult leader that is now looking sketchy even to his cult. It is easy to imagine how Robot could really mess things up when he tries to do what he thinks is best. Isn't this what he was paperclipped for in the first place? It's only different now because he actually found his angel. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 18, 2015 12:53:11 GMT
Milgram experiment... 2/3 of people from various different cultures could be convinced to do horror type things (torture and possible murder) if someone else was leader and they were just following orders. It might interest you that in a sequel to that study it was found that it is particularly the nice, sociable people who can, rather easily, be thus convinced. The dickheads tended to resist the orders. No worries, the good people can be deployed to kill them too. |
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Post by eightyfour on Dec 18, 2015 13:58:53 GMT
As it happens I'm just in the middle of season 4 of rewatching Battlestar Galactica and I can't help but see lots and lots of similarities. Now the robots are getting biological bodies. I hope the next step isn't resurrection technology!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 18, 2015 14:05:50 GMT
By the way, each person who can identify all the simple machines in panel 4 without searching or looking them up merits one internet. I'll catch the one everyone else has missed... The red dude. He is clearly a tool, probably an alcohol powered stick actuator. Gotta say negatatory. No hardhat, no safety vest, no slacking unionized red dudes in background, not making rude gestures or catcalls at passing pink female dudette. Not even a stylized doughnut. |
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Post by Demonsul on Dec 18, 2015 15:19:53 GMT
I'll be honest, the red outline has me more creeped out than anything going on in the actual text.
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Post by csj on Dec 18, 2015 15:32:06 GMT
Some plato's cave level stuff could be about to take place if the robots reject his message. Probably won't happen though because that would truncate the plot arc.
Instead, he'll go on another spiel that somehow convinces most of them to follow whatever path he has in mind for robo-ascension.
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Post by sharplmages on Dec 18, 2015 15:35:46 GMT
Calling now that there's a schism in the robot cult, S13 becomes the robot Pope
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