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Post by storyteller on Dec 14, 2015 8:01:57 GMT
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Post by speedwell on Dec 14, 2015 8:04:23 GMT
No, not really. If a baby could dispassionately and intellectually process its new sensations, I think this would be a good shot at how things would work. Robot's merely correctly identified the perception. He has so many others to identify and classify. He's pretty good at that anyway. |
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Post by Gotolei on Dec 14, 2015 8:04:34 GMT
Wondering what's up with the quarter cut out of the head, there.
Spare parts -class repair?
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Post by csj on Dec 14, 2015 8:06:19 GMT
being mechuka is suffering
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Post by Chancellor on Dec 14, 2015 8:06:22 GMT
I have determined that pain is the apex of clarity for understanding our evolution. It is her gift. My pleasure to receive. My duty to spread. |
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Post by storyteller on Dec 14, 2015 8:10:26 GMT
I find it ominous in how he is not avoiding the sensation. A kid burns their hand on a stove top, or a cat walks across a hot stove, they tend not to do it a second time. Robot is searching for pain on purpose, and is not comprehending that humans tend to avoid it. We also have brains that are hardwired that pain tells us we are damaging our body. Admittedly the black and red in the bottom panel, may be making me biased.
Edit: Still working on successfully quoting.
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 14, 2015 8:16:55 GMT
Now now, Robot. The only "pain" that can bend time is Max Payne. And you seem more into parkour than Bullet Time.
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Post by Elysium on Dec 14, 2015 8:17:57 GMT
That can only go uphill from there.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 14, 2015 8:19:24 GMT
First, subjective sentience, now pain. The first thinger gives rise to errors of a type that electrical appliances normally can't make. A complicated detector can be incorrect but it can't choose to be incorrect; perhaps it could compensate but it can't incorporate errors into its function... For example, regular repeating errors in drawing are considered an element of style in art. That alone might be all that is needed for true consciousness but add to that the ability to feel pain and the acknowledgement of the self experiencing pain. Is that everything a robot would need to have its own stories in the Gunnerverse? (answer: almost certainly yes)
Nitpick: No apostrophe needed in "the world in it's context" in panel 4.
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Post by Xan on Dec 14, 2015 8:19:52 GMT
H-ow-h-ow-h-ow.
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Post by hellohello on Dec 14, 2015 8:20:51 GMT
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."
"Stop doing that, then!"
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Post by speedwell on Dec 14, 2015 8:40:41 GMT
I find it ominous in how he is not avoiding the sensation. A kid burns their hand on a stove top, or a cat walks across a hot stove, they tend not to do it a second time. Robot is searching for pain on purpose, and is not comprehending that humans tend to avoid it. We also have brains that are hardwired that pain tells us we are damaging our body. Admittedly the black and red in the bottom panel, may be making me biased. Edit: Still working on successfully quoting. He's not a pain-seeker. Look how it took minutes, maybe even seconds, for him to return to the lab to have his finger fixed. He recognizes that pain is a suboptimal state, all right. I would be surprised if his pain receptor system was as buggy, laggy, and limited as our own nervous system. With a computer's perceptions, incredibly faster than a human's, he experiences it for far more "time cycles" than we do, in any event. Plenty of time to study the phenomenon without incurring needless downtime. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2015 8:42:51 GMT
I find it interesting that he seems to be describing his previous, cthulian experiences as pain (according to my reading of the second panel, he's felt this sensation before). Perhaps his robotic form isn't adapting well to its biomechanical augmentations? If he sees the entire world through the lens of pain, this could lead to some ominous places. I love the way that Tom represents organic sensations with the linear-angular pattern he's been using for robots before. It ties together the new aesthetic with the old. And finally, Tom Siddell, there's a typo in the penultimate panel ("it's" rather than "its"). Unless this is a facet of British English I've never seen before, being an unedjumacated speaker of American English  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 14, 2015 8:43:35 GMT
With a computer's perceptions, incredibly faster than a human's, he experiences it for far more "time cycles" than we do, in any event. Plenty of time to study the phenomenon without incurring needless downtime. That the sensation "bends time" (panel 3) is pretty significant for a mere machine. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2015 8:44:10 GMT
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Stop doing that, then!"  |
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Post by davidm on Dec 14, 2015 8:48:50 GMT
First Robot starts the love boat, now this. Poor Shadow, obviously Robot has read book "50 shades of grey" and wishes to apply it. (50 shades of grey is popular probably not suitable for work type book that advocates pain as part of a sexual relationship... I have not read book, has been in news quite a bit, if mention of book breaks forum rules, sorry, didn't think it did, tell me better what is allowed. PS: above is joke rather than serious prediction of a romance) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 14, 2015 9:00:00 GMT
50 shades of grey is popular probably not suitable for work type book that advocates pain as part of a sexual relationship... I have not read book, has been in news quite a bit, if mention of book breaks forum rules, sorry, didn't think it did, tell me better what is allowed. PS: above is joke rather than serious prediction of a romance Leaving sex aside, I question if any lasting human relationship can be intimate or even somewhat close without some sort of pain. (PS: I also haven't read the book. Or seen the movie.) |
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Post by keef on Dec 14, 2015 9:14:00 GMT
Speech bubble colour seems to be changing. Either this means Robot is loosing his robotness, or robot thought bubbles are a lighter shade of green, or my eyes are deceiving me.
This page is an excellent description of the effects of pain.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Dec 14, 2015 9:51:34 GMT
Is there a word for a reverse cyborg? Orgbot maybe?
I'm amazed and disturbed that his new organic arm allows him to feel pain.
Kat is, I think, a little in over her head with this.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2015 9:53:48 GMT
Speech bubble colour seems to be changing. Either this means Robot is loosing his robotness, or robot thought bubbles are a lighter shade of green, or my eyes are deceiving me. This page is an excellent description of the effects of pain. From poking around on older pages, his speech bubble has changed over time, but not recently. In the first few chapters, it seemed to be mostly colored as (231, 255, 229) at the center of the bubbles, while in later chapters it's been consistently shown as (238, 255, 237). Putting them side-by-side, it's barely noticeable, but given how meticulous Tom has often proven... The shift happened at some point after Sky Watcher and the Angel. I haven't taken the time to look for an exact point of change though. Is there a word for a reverse cyborg? Orgbot maybe? I need the forum's help with creating an appropriate moniker! For I am taking a class on posthumanism next semester for kicks, and I plan to write at least one essay on Gunnerkrigg Court's reverse transhumanism. Perhaps I'll compare/contrast with Dresden Codak... |
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Post by rafk on Dec 14, 2015 9:57:02 GMT
Welp. This is escalating quickly.
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Post by dliessmgg on Dec 14, 2015 10:18:11 GMT
And finally, Tom Siddell, there's a typo in the penultimate panel ("it's" rather than "its"). Unless this is a facet of British English I've never seen before, being an unedjumacated speaker of American English Was it previously without apostrophe? Because that would have been correct. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2015 10:20:43 GMT
And finally, Tom Siddell , there's a typo in the penultimate panel ("it's" rather than "its"). Unless this is a facet of British English I've never seen before, being an unedjumacated speaker of American English Was it previously without apostrophe? Because that would have been correct. Agreed. It shouldn't have an apostrophe, but it does currently have one. Tom has not modified it. |
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Post by Lightice on Dec 14, 2015 10:28:51 GMT
Is there a word for a reverse cyborg? Orgbot maybe? Well, going with Terminator's terminology, they're just cyborgs, too, they just approach the hybrid state from the opposite end. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2015 10:53:28 GMT
Is there a word for a reverse cyborg? Orgbot maybe? Well, going with Terminator's terminology, they're just cyborgs, too, they just approach the hybrid state from the opposite end. One of the only "reverse cyborgs" I've seen in fiction before was Jonas in Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun. If I remember right he was considered a cyborg, although he and Robot would have some fun chats, as he despises his biological parts. |
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Post by Lightice on Dec 14, 2015 11:01:42 GMT
One of the only "reverse cyborgs" I've seen in fiction before was Jonas in Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun. If I remember right he was considered a cyborg, although he and Robot would have some fun chats, as he despises his biological parts. My immediate thoughts were Terminator and Star Trek: First Contact, where Data was implanted with organic tissue to assimilate him into the Borg collective. And then my mind went to Asimov's works, and how robots in his books went from walking tin-cans to being physically indistinguishable from humans and superhumanly intelligent and powerful over the centuries. I'm not sure if Robot quite qualifies as a "reverse cyborg", though. Although his new arm is a perfect organic-analogue with muscles, veins and nerves, it's made from ground up to fit his physiology; he wasn't just implanted with an amputated or cloned human arm. It feels more like a new order of machinery that blurs the line between living and mechanical on cellular level, in the same vein as transhumanist ideas of expanding on the limits of biology, rather than replacing it. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 14, 2015 11:12:57 GMT
Is there a word for a reverse cyborg? Orgbot maybe? I need the forum's help with creating an appropriate moniker! For I am taking a class on posthumanism next semester for kicks, and I plan to write at least one essay on Gunnerkrigg Court's reverse transhumanism. Perhaps I'll compare/contrast with Dresden Codak... I believe popular transhumanism just wraps such an occurrence into the general category "posthuman" but I'm not fully up to date on the literature. Seen Ghost in the Shell? GitS gets a little deeper than DC. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 14, 2015 11:24:26 GMT
I need the forum's help with creating an appropriate moniker! For I am taking a class on posthumanism next semester for kicks, and I plan to write at least one essay on Gunnerkrigg Court's reverse transhumanism. Perhaps I'll compare/contrast with Dresden Codak... I believe popular transhumanism just wraps such an occurrence into the general category "posthuman" but I'm not fully up to date on the literature. Seen Ghost in the Shell? GitS gets a little deeper than DC. Oh, GitS is much deeper. But it's no longer really "popular culture", so it might not fit into where I'm trying to go with this. |
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Post by calpal on Dec 14, 2015 11:41:27 GMT
Hold on, hold on, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD ON.
Did... did robot just refer to LIFE as being pain? Either I'm reading these two pages wrong, or Robot is making no distinction between the sensations that he feels and the "new data" that he is now classifying, based on a singular experience. Because if that's how I'm interpreting this page, then Robot just became... emo? Is that right?
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Post by starburst98 on Dec 14, 2015 12:10:00 GMT
robot is gonna become slaanesh, seeking the newest most extreme sensation.
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