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Post by Gotolei on Nov 25, 2015 8:02:09 GMT
That guy?I know it's been said time and time again that Tom doesn't plan this kind of thing ahead, but I can't help but hope for some sudden development on page #1600 next Wednesday.
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Post by Chancellor on Nov 25, 2015 8:23:55 GMT
Man, Eglamore's looking a bit pale these days.
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Post by keef on Nov 25, 2015 9:10:29 GMT
They keep talking about what a distraction Anthony is, so I read today's update with this in mind: Nah. The robots need Annie to release Jeanne. They wouldn't kill or permanently disable her. On the other hand, they are quite able to do something harsh in order to put her back to work in the Jeanne project... More likely the fear that the robots might strike at Antony- Edit: Bubble in panel 5 is the wrong colour. |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 25, 2015 11:46:22 GMT
Only three posts several hours in? Did everybody die? I know it's been said time and time again that Tom doesn't plan this kind of thing ahead, but I can't help but hope for some sudden development on page #1600 next Wednesday. Robot's new wings just came out of the oven.  |
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Post by hellohello on Nov 25, 2015 12:17:51 GMT
Only three posts several hours in? Did everybody die? Thanksgiving leaves no survivors. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 25, 2015 12:35:50 GMT
Only three posts several hours in? Did everybody die? This page is mostly reaffirming what we already know. The first five pages of this chapter appear to be bringing the readers back up to speed on what was happening with Kat while that narrative concentrated on Annie. Kind of like "Meanwhile, back at the ranch..." And now the beeping heralds the arrival of New Data. This page does clarify that most of Kat's progress with Robot's current arm occurred over the Summer before Anthony showed up. Maybe the narrative is going to exclude Annie for a while and Tom wants to make sure the readers know that Kat isn't ignoring her predicament. |
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Post by kalechibki on Nov 25, 2015 13:28:29 GMT
Robot's new wings just came out of the oven. Do you think they're boneless? Because I hate when they give you almost no meat when they leave the bones in. Wonder what kind of BBQ sauce Kat and Paz like.... |
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Post by Trillium on Nov 25, 2015 14:54:07 GMT
Only three posts several hours in? Did everybody die? Thanksgiving leaves no survivors. Thanksgiving is only in the USA. There's a lot of other stuff going on in the world and and much of it is deadly serious. I am thankful we have this gem of a story to relax in from time to time. We're getting a bit of a summery, exposition and a Jeanne call back. We are also getting a glimps into Kat and Paz's relationship. It's healthy and warm like a relationship should be. I like how Paz is giving Kat space for her relationship to Annie. It comes with encouragement and good advice. Quietly in the background Robot sits. I suspect he is listening and watching how Kat and Paz treat each other. I suspect he is storing this information and anylizing it as opposed to just standing there in a energy conservation mode. Robot may record everything he sees Kat doing. The Creator's ways are mysterious, who could pass up an opportunity to observe Her in action? |
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Post by calpal on Nov 25, 2015 15:52:47 GMT
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Post by philman on Nov 25, 2015 16:28:13 GMT
I saw that too, this time at least, although what happened with Janet in that case? |
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Post by storyteller on Nov 25, 2015 16:33:17 GMT
Quietly in the background Robot sits. I suspect he is listening and watching how Kat and Paz treat each other. I suspect he is storing this information and anylizing it as opposed to just standing there in a energy conservation mode. Robot may record everything he sees Kat doing. The Creator's ways are mysterious, who could pass up an opportunity to observe Her in action? I am reminded of Zimmy's repeated comments of rats, and the answer of there not being rats in Gunnerkrigg. How Robot is there, unnoticed and slowly spreading, well, basically a dangerous disease in the form of his words that take the truth of the matter and warp it severely, reminds me of a lot like rats. Very dangerous when their population hits a certain point. Even more so because in Gunnerkrigg robots are constantly underfoot and unnoticed. I hope I am making sense. I still question whether Kat will become the Angel herself, or be the inspiration for the Angel. I like to think that Kat is more like the coyote waiting for an easy meal than Coyote himself. Sorry to bring this back up so late, but life got in the way. And I am not sure of the thread etiquette in regards to how long to bring up a previous thread to continue a conversation. I am wondering if I missed something (got to the comic late, and haven't exactly read every page one at a time yet) as by www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1073 Coyote's quote here "But what would I be without it? A mangy dog scavenging for in the desert for scraps?" seems to imply (dangerous thing with Coyote because he never lies, but that doesn't make what he says the truth I know) that he is that coyote from the desert, just transformed. Just wondering if you could explain your perspective more to me, since the connection between Robot and Kat seems to be building into the Farmer and the Viper like tale to me, a building tragedy. Especially as Kat seems to be slowly wielding the Angel's power like a mantle now a days, (Whaleship Angel Act, her clearance in ROD). It doesn't make sense to me thematically or narratively if Kat is merely the inspiration for Robot's Angel, the building sense that the non-robot cast being unaware is going to lead to tragedy. While not a nice god by any means, the Angel isn't a death dealing, civilization/region destroying one. Closer to the Old Testament version (my best comparison, not much of a religion scholar), or other old fashioned gods, dealing both punishment and rewards. (In contrast to the Greek gods). While a problem for certain, the sense of tragedy seems to be building too high for such a plot line. At least from my perspective. |
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Post by jda on Nov 25, 2015 16:51:18 GMT
Robot's new wings just came out of the oven. Do you think they're boneless? Because I hate when they give you almost no meat when they leave the bones in. Wonder what kind of BBQ sauce Kat and Paz like.... Well, with what we know of Kat's cooking skills, I think the wings will be slightly burned to the bone in a blue smoke explosion... |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 25, 2015 17:40:04 GMT
I still question whether Kat will become the Angel herself, or be the inspiration for the Angel. I like to think that Kat is more like the coyote waiting for an easy meal than Coyote himself. Sorry to bring this back up so late, but life got in the way. And I am not sure of the thread etiquette in regards to how long to bring up a previous thread to continue a conversation. I am wondering if I missed something (got to the comic late, and haven't exactly read every page one at a time yet) as by www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1073 Coyote's quote here "But what would I be without it? A mangy dog scavenging for in the desert for scraps?" seems to imply (dangerous thing with Coyote because he never lies, but that doesn't make what he says the truth I know) that he is that coyote from the desert, just transformed. Just wondering if you could explain your perspective more to me, since the connection between Robot and Kat seems to be building into the Farmer and the Viper like tale to me, a building tragedy. Especially as Kat seems to be slowly wielding the Angel's power like a mantle now a days, (Whaleship Angel Act, her clearance in ROD). It doesn't make sense to me thematically or narratively if Kat is merely the inspiration for Robot's Angel, the building sense that the non-robot cast being unaware is going to lead to tragedy. While not a nice god by any means, the Angel isn't a death dealing, civilization/region destroying one. Closer to the Old Testament version (my best comparison, not much of a religion scholar), or other old fashioned gods, dealing both punishment and rewards. (In contrast to the Greek gods). While a problem for certain, the sense of tragedy seems to be building too high for such a plot line. At least from my perspective. I may be discounting subsequent information that conflicts with my preconcieved notion, again... I started with notion that the coyote never had any idea, or any ability to comprehend, what the man was thinking or the existance of a god like Coyote. The coyote was just a coyote. Then I saw a parallel with Kat having no idea that the Bots really think she is a divine angel. Kat is just Kat. Mix in a lot of wishful thinking that Kat is going to live a relatively normal life and pass on in a relatively normal way, and here I am clinging to the idea that Kat is the inspiration for the Angel, but separate from the Angel Kat's verification/entry into the ROTD and leading the way into the restricted Final Records room gave me pause, but didn't make me any less clingy. To me it implied that Kat may be an afterlife guide, but Annie is an afterlife guide and she is going live and pass on in her normal human/fire elemental manner. The events of The Torn Sea did make me begin to doubt this pet theory, but Zimmy was involved so who knows what was real and what was a hallucination. |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 25, 2015 18:31:06 GMT
Only three posts several hours in? Did everybody die? Thanksgiving leaves no survivors. Except for the five members who were online within a few minutes of the comic's posting, or the ten who were online half an hour later, or the different ten another half an hour later... I know there's four or five chapters' worth of less-than-constantly-thrilling Kat exposition to go through, but knowing doesn't make it go any faster. |
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Post by keef on Nov 25, 2015 22:47:59 GMT
I started with notion that the coyote never had any idea, or any ability to comprehend, what the man was thinking or the existance of a god like Coyote. The coyote was just a coyote. Then I saw a parallel with Kat having no idea that the Bots really think she is a divine angel. Kat is just Kat. Mix in a lot of wishful thinking that Kat is going to live a relatively normal life and pass on in a relatively normal way, and here I am clinging to the idea that Kat is the inspiration for the Angel, but separate from the Angel Agreed. No actual coyotes were harmed in the creation of the god Coyote. As I said earlier: I don't think Kat has to die. Goddess Kat and girl Kat will be two separate entities. I also agree this may be wishful thinking. Comparing Annie and Kat; Annie is a guide in the sense that every fire elemental daughter has to be the guide for her mother. Once she knows the way, the other guides use her to help pick up strays. Kat was an normal girl, till the moment Robot saw her as "the Angel" whose coming he had earlier predicted. From that moment Kat the angel exists. She is never called a guide by the ROTD staff. The point where Paz sees the Angel, suggests it is Kat who is changing. But it is also possible Paz just caught a glimpse of what the robots saw. For new members: Most of this is discussed in Daedalus ' immortal religion thread. Of course not. I never miss a chance to ship anything that will float! |
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Post by arf on Nov 26, 2015 3:54:08 GMT
I saw that too, this time at least, although what happened with Janet in that case? At the moment, I'm inclined to think that the girls are seeing something because they aren't seeing something else. We shall have to wait and see what gives with this. |
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Post by calpal on Nov 26, 2015 6:48:29 GMT
I saw that too, this time at least, although what happened with Janet in that case? At the moment, I'm inclined to think that the girls are seeing something because they aren't seeing something else. We shall have to wait and see what gives with this. But that makes no sense. Everyone is very clearly aware of Janet and William's (Previous? Current?) relationship, and they (or Janet, at the least) declared that they weren't going to hide it anymore. So it is both out in the open and apparent to everyone that was there, including both Kat and Paz. And now, ever since either the Torn Sea, or the Tree, William has been expressing some very deep concerns for Annie, and EVEN KAT BELIEVES HE HAS A THING FOR HER. The build-up to PazKat seemed gradual and hints thrown about very carefully in a way that even I hadn't picked up on it, not until the very last few pages prior to Kat being asked out. But this... this is being painfully teased out with such blunt force that you'd think you stumbled upon a crime scene. And yet somehow, there's even more questions that have to be answered in this scenario that make the whole idea just as interesting, and all I can properly express about this is... DAMN IT, TOM!! |
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Post by matoyak on Nov 26, 2015 6:55:25 GMT
At the moment, I'm inclined to think that the girls are seeing something because they aren't seeing something else. We shall have to wait and see what gives with this. But that makes no sense. Everyone is very clearly aware of Janet and William's (Previous? Current?) relationship, and they (or Janet, at the least) declared that they weren't going to hide it anymore. So it is both out in the open and apparent to everyone that was there, including both Kat and Paz. And now, ever since either the Torn Sea, or the Tree, William has been expressing some very deep concerns for Annie, and EVEN KAT BELIEVES HE HAS A THING FOR HER. The build-up to PazKat seemed gradual and hints thrown about very carefully in a way that even I hadn't picked up on it, not until the very last few pages prior to Kat being asked out. But this... this is being painfully teased out with such blunt force that you'd think you stumbled upon a crime scene. And yet somehow, there's even more questions that have to be answered in this scenario that make the whole idea just as interesting, and all I can properly express about this is... DAMN IT, TOM!! The "reveal" about Janet+William was so over the top nobody believed it. |
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Post by calpal on Nov 26, 2015 7:14:49 GMT
But that makes no sense. Everyone is very clearly aware of Janet and William's (Previous? Current?) relationship, and they (or Janet, at the least) declared that they weren't going to hide it anymore. So it is both out in the open and apparent to everyone that was there, including both Kat and Paz. And now, ever since either the Torn Sea, or the Tree, William has been expressing some very deep concerns for Annie, and EVEN KAT BELIEVES HE HAS A THING FOR HER. The build-up to PazKat seemed gradual and hints thrown about very carefully in a way that even I hadn't picked up on it, not until the very last few pages prior to Kat being asked out. But this... this is being painfully teased out with such blunt force that you'd think you stumbled upon a crime scene. And yet somehow, there's even more questions that have to be answered in this scenario that make the whole idea just as interesting, and all I can properly express about this is... DAMN IT, TOM!! The "reveal" about Janet+William was so over the top nobody believed it. makes me highly doubt that nobody believes it. |
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Post by Elysium on Nov 26, 2015 13:21:40 GMT
The build-up to PazKat seemed gradual and hints thrown about very carefully in a way that even I hadn't picked up on it, not until the very last few pages prior to Kat being asked out. But this... this is being painfully teased out with such blunt force that you'd think you stumbled upon a crime scene. You really think Tom would go for the teen drama route ? |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 26, 2015 13:59:04 GMT
The build-up to PazKat seemed gradual and hints thrown about very carefully in a way that even I hadn't picked up on it, not until the very last few pages prior to Kat being asked out. But this... this is being painfully teased out with such blunt force that you'd think you stumbled upon a crime scene. You really think Tom would go for the teen drama route ? In his own inimitable way, in his own inimitable way.... |
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Post by matoyak on Nov 26, 2015 19:00:52 GMT
The "reveal" about Janet+William was so over the top nobody believed it. makes me highly doubt that nobody believes it. Why else would they have thought that was a prank? ?_? Makes no sense for them to have assumed they were dating to "prank" them that way. |
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Post by nero on Nov 26, 2015 20:31:50 GMT
So Robot could warn Anthony to stay away from his mother or he might think that Annie needs a partner like Kat has in Paz and try setting Williams with Annie.
I also find it weird that this is the second time that William is mentioned. He was impressed when he saw Annie shooting fireballs in Torn Sea. Either he's fallen for Annie or he just feels that Annie needs more support. Torn Sea was probably the first time he's seen Annie be vulnerable. Annie only sees him as a friend so I don't think she'll ever react to him. I'm glad that her whole class cares about
Annie, it brings back memories for me.
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Post by saardvark on Nov 26, 2015 23:32:16 GMT
Don't forget William also arranged the sympathy card "from the boys" after Tony's return and Annie's haircut/grade demotion. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1511 |
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Post by warrl on Nov 27, 2015 5:49:03 GMT
At the moment, I'm inclined to think that the girls are seeing something because they aren't seeing something else. Is that like saying that we're all here because we're not all there? |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 28, 2015 0:10:44 GMT
The build-up to PazKat seemed gradual and hints thrown about very carefully in a way that even I hadn't picked up on it, not until the very last few pages prior to Kat being asked out. But this... this is being painfully teased out with such blunt force that you'd think you stumbled upon a crime scene. You really think Tom would go for the teen drama route ? The entire point of that bonus page was that the other kids were trying to mess with William and Janet but had it backfire due to their secret feelings for each other. If they had believed the story it wouldn't have made any sense (though William and Janet's reactions to it may have clued them in). |
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