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Post by Daedalus on Aug 28, 2015 7:00:17 GMT
Annnnd...I'm liking Tony better now, tbh. Still doesn't excuse his absence. Or the insensitive way he did all this. But I do feel like we understand more now. Though the revelations have been overly sudden. But we've debated this before. I propose a new question: what exactly is he regretting here? Leaving in the first place? The bone lasers? His harsh words a couple chapters ago? All of the above, or some combination?
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 28, 2015 7:02:18 GMT
WHY IS THIS FAMILY SO AWFUL AT BEING PEOPLE?!
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Post by temeritee on Aug 28, 2015 7:02:38 GMT
Kat is just a lot of spiky hair in this page. I like it
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Post by hellohello on Aug 28, 2015 7:03:42 GMT
It's the pronoun game! WHY IS THIS FAMILY SO AWFUL AT BEING PEOPLE?! Seeming competency masks many sins. |
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 28, 2015 7:05:20 GMT
If nothing else, I sympathize way too much with those feelings when all you can do is try to crush out the world with your hand to your face and weep.
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Post by aquamafia on Aug 28, 2015 7:05:58 GMT
So uh, why did he tell at Annie to take off her makeup then? So she would have less of a resemblance to Surma?
Regretful or not, Tony still acted like a colossal dick when he first showed up to teach Annie's class.
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Post by arf on Aug 28, 2015 7:07:16 GMT
Kat is just a lot of spiky hair in this page. I like it Lots of hair things here: - Tony's perception of Annie's hair. - Tony's own hair doing an ether thing. Meanwhile, angst is no excuse, Tony. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 28, 2015 7:08:19 GMT
And now Tony is crying in the present.
And so will I when they finally hug each other. You know it's going to happen.
Edit:
Yesterday it occurred to me that Tony grades all of Annie's homework. Thus, if an actual conversation would be too awkward, she could just write him a letter. Now I no longer want her to do that. Now I think that the best course of action is for Annie to throw her arms around her father the next time she sees him, say "I love you, too, Dad", and converse after they're both mostly done with tears. Whether or not Donald sees fit to mention a certain few things about Annie tonight.
This might be contingent on Annie and Fire recombining first.
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 28, 2015 7:09:20 GMT
Kat is just a lot of spiky hair in this page. I like it Lots of hair things here: - Tony's perception of Annie's hair. - Tony's own hair doing an ether thing. Meanwhile, angst is no excuse, Tony. I guess warping of perceptions in times of stress runs in the family. |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 28, 2015 7:10:07 GMT
WHY IS THIS FAMILY SO AWFUL AT BEING PEOPLE?! These poor idiots. I mean that in the kindest way. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 28, 2015 7:13:14 GMT
So uh, why did he tell at Annie to take off her makeup then? So she would have less of a resemblance to Surma? Regretful or not, Tony still acted like a colossal dick when he first showed up to teach Annie's class. 1) Yes 2) He knows. And it's tearing him apart. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 28, 2015 7:13:27 GMT
"Someone who hides the fact they are flipping out? Seems unreasonable to me."
Agree 100%. The best way to flip out is old-school 1980s style midlife crisis: sports car, jetski, trophy wife.
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Post by psybershadow on Aug 28, 2015 7:13:54 GMT
Jesus, Tom, think you could stab us in the heart and conscience a little deeper?
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 28, 2015 7:14:02 GMT
At least he's apologizing finally. He should also GET HELP
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 28, 2015 7:17:16 GMT
At least he's apologizing finally. He should also GET HELP Honestly, he should be apologizing to Annie. And yes, I know this is unreasonable given his current situation. Not to mention his normally-chilly personality. But he owes it to her, and he should know that. Maybe he does, and we'll hear about that Monday. Regretful or not, Tony still acted like a colossal dick when he first showed up to teach Annie's class. It's possible that Monday will have him say something like, "I wanted to abandon my plan right then and there, logic be damned. But the Court had been watching me, and I knew they were searching for a sign of commitment. So I was forced to break her emotionally, to try and prevent her from greater harm." Not that I would consider the last few chapters lesser harm than expulsion, honestly. The Court is messed up, even though we forget it for long periods of time (rather like Coyote, actually). Nor would that justify everything imho, even if it were lesser harm - though from his perspective, it might. Tony may be regretting it right now, but I still think that his snapping at Annie over makeup and telling her his arm was none of her concern were both manifestations of his repressed anger and shame, directed in a very unhealthy, hostile way. The other things make some sense now: taking her away from the Forest, taking away Renard (the Court would have demanded it), etc. |
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Post by fish on Aug 28, 2015 7:17:47 GMT
Annnnd...I propose a new question: what eaxactly is he regretting here? Leaving in the first place? The bone lasers? His harsh words a couple chapters ago? All of the above, or some combination? I'm hoping it's his harsh words he regrets but we may never find out for sure. This hopeless dysfunctional family of two... |
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Post by madragoran on Aug 28, 2015 7:20:40 GMT
nope. he is the misunderstood hero with the heart of gold who was forced to do terrible things because forces outside his control made him do it. and I say again nope. Anthony Carver is starting to piss me off more than he actually did when he was driving Annie insane. That I could get. Here is some more dick moves on top of a cart load of dick moves. Fine. We will deal with your dick moves.
While now we have the magic wand of absolution by the old tried route of "they told me to do it". I don't care he is a dick to be honest. I can be a dick myself. Everyone is a dick at one point or another, especially since you and me and everyone can not listen in to peoples thoughts and see other people's pain, like we are doing here. No one made Anthony become a father [did Surma force him to impregnate her? Was it a mistake and Surma decided to keep Annie?]. Being a father is more than donating sperm. Or in my book it should be. And becoming a parent is a covenant for the forseable future. "I am choosing to bring you to life. I am choosing to bring your body and soul into this world. I will be here to love, help, protect and teach. We will be dicks to each other because that is what people do. I will be here though". Anyway. I am really sorry for the long winded posts but I will blame Tom and the depth he chose to add to his comic. He touches on important and derious things. Also nope. No one needs to agree with my opinion. It's just an opinion posted on the internet.
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Post by Elysium on Aug 28, 2015 7:21:01 GMT
 Buzzsaw Kat is now my favorite Kat Almost replaced cardboard Paz as my avatar. |
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Post by Goatmon on Aug 28, 2015 7:21:06 GMT
When Tony first showed up, I got a very distinct impression that he was more or less emotionally dead inside.
Turns out he was actually doing his best to not explode in front of the class.
Well played, Tom.
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Post by Trillium on Aug 28, 2015 7:21:08 GMT
Tony is coming to the end of his tale. He is admitting what happened and is breaking down. Now maybe he and Annie can begin reconciliation and start to heal. This has been a very sad story.
I hope he still remembers this in the morning after all the booze he drank.
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 28, 2015 7:21:30 GMT
Annnnd...I propose a new question: what eaxactly is he regretting here? Leaving in the first place? The bone lasers? His harsh words a couple chapters ago? All of the above, or some combination? I'm hoping it's his harsh words he regrets but we may never find out for sure. This hopeless dysfunctional family of two... What is it with motherless semi-magical-being children and chaotic family life! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 28, 2015 7:28:03 GMT
Come morning Anthony will be sober again.
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Post by fish on Aug 28, 2015 7:29:08 GMT
nope. he is the misunderstood hero with the heart of gold who was forced to do terrible things because forces outside his control made him do it. and I say again nope. Anthony Carver is starting to piss me off more than he actually did when he was driving Annie insane. That I could get. Here is some more dick moves on top of a cart load of dick moves. Fine. We will deal with your dick moves. [...] I thought this page showed that, yes, he came back because of the Court, but his dick moves towards Annie were his own entirely and he regrets them now. I don't see a heart of gold anywhere. But as you said, opinions on the internet... |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 28, 2015 7:31:32 GMT
I am really sorry for the long winded posts but I will blame Tom and the depth he chose to add to his comic. There's still time, and many things to be revealed. If Tom treats this like a total justification (which I strongly doubt), I will be unsatisfied, but we have no idea how Donny, or Annie, or Kat, or anyone will react to this. After all, we've only seen it from Tony's perspective so far. Plus, Tom's always handled real-life issues extremely well, and I have no doubts about his strength as a writer this time either. This last chapter did seem pretty abrupt in how it entirely reversed characterization of Tony, but perhaps some whiplash was inevitable. I wonder what Renard will think, if he's heard all of this. I'm curious for his perspective, especially since he also feels guilt for the death of his friend Daniel - but Rey feels guilt for not restraining himself, while Tony feels guilt for not working hard enough. Both of their guilt complexes revolve around Surma. Interesting contrast in how they might see their failures... |
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Post by philman on Aug 28, 2015 7:33:40 GMT
And yet again, Tom is teasing the forum goers and commenters for writing tony off as an unredeemable arsehole. Well played Tom, well played!
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Post by philman on Aug 28, 2015 7:35:40 GMT
I am really sorry for the long winded posts but I will blame Tom and the depth he chose to add to his comic. I wonder what Renard will think, since he's heard all of this. I'm curious for his perspective, especially since he also feels guilt for the death of his friend Daniel - but Rey feels guilt for not restraining himself, while Tony feels guilt for not working hard enough. Interesting contrast in how they might see their failures... I'm interested to see that as well, I wonder if he will make himself known, or whether he will reach out to Annie in the ether since he can almost certainly see her there. |
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Post by darththulhu on Aug 28, 2015 7:38:16 GMT
At least he's apologizing finally. He should also GET HELP What he's doing now is the only thing he actually has available, sadly. Any headshrink inside the Court would report to the Court. Anyone outside the Court would be both 1) utterly spied on, and 2) unable to understand almost any of the context. Tony has no other actual options. By Court design. |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 28, 2015 7:40:15 GMT
Tony has no other actual options. By Court design. They may not be good people. But they're certainly good at their jobs. |
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Post by speedwell on Aug 28, 2015 7:46:11 GMT
Seconding the "let's see how how he acts in the morning when he's sober". How much of this remorse came from him, and how much came from the bottle? People who are ashamed of their sober actions when they're drunk tend to be equally ashamed of their drunk actions when they're sober. My abusive ex-husband used to be drunkenly remorseful for the cold and hurtful things he did while he was sober, too, and when he sobered up again, he swore the things he said while he was drinking were "crap". And Anthony's bare, hardly-liveable home reminds me of nothing so much as the home of the type of alcoholic who's checked out of life.
That aside, it's at least good that he's recounting what happened, and expressing remorse. Antimony was at least owed that, and Donald was wise enough to know it could really have happened no other way. I think, of all the Court, Donald best understands Antimony, because under his deceptively bland nerdiness, he is an emotionally intelligent man of great compassion who loved both of her parents. He, at least, takes Annie's mediumship seriously and is betting on her ability to relate to the most difficult of people, while recognizing that she's still very young and that she needs his help very much.
I think Anthony's too broken and lost to take on the adult's task of regaining his child's trust, and probably doesn't deserve that trust, anyway. I'm not as ready as others on the forum to go "awww poor guy" and forget that he actually did make bad choices and cause great harm. I'm not sure he's even able to respond optimally to her efforts to be kind and understanding. I'm not sure how far he can heal. I certainly don't expect a sudden rush of fatherly, understanding warmth and affection; Anthony has never had it in him at all. Like I said... we'll see "in the morning".
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Post by aline on Aug 28, 2015 7:46:29 GMT
At least he's apologizing finally. He should also GET HELP Honestly, he should be apologizing to Annie. And yes, I know this is unreasonable given his current situation. Not to mention his normally-chilly personality. But he owes it to her, and he should know that. . ya know, I think he does. And I think we'll see it happen. He'll get there. In the mean time, she heard him acknowledge the hurt he unfairly inflicted on her, which is oh so important. I hope now she can reconcile with her teared off self. |
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