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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:03:53 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Aug 26, 2015 7:04:58 GMT
OK, closer to a breakthrough here...
Well dangit, this has been happening fairly quickly.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:05:19 GMT
Aaannnnd there's the mssing link. Part of it anyway. The long-hypothesized "they brought him back to rein her in" theory.
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 26, 2015 7:05:44 GMT
So I guess they got Tony to reel her in, and what is the program really.
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 26, 2015 7:05:48 GMT
Well, seems to me that there's some credence being lent to the old idea that Tony's coldness has been a protective measure from someone or something. And that something seems to be the Court.
I don't really know what to feel.
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Post by Anthony on Aug 26, 2015 7:06:09 GMT
"The program"?
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Post by edzepp on Aug 26, 2015 7:07:19 GMT
By the way, I believe the word is 'reining, not 'reigning'. Common mistake.
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 26, 2015 7:08:21 GMT
I just imagined it refers to the whole "thing" the Court is. It's not just your basic boarding institution of learning, they actively seek to cultivate their members from the promising students. In this rare instance, I actually think the reality of what the Court is doing is much less sinister than you're thinking. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 26, 2015 7:08:47 GMT
Ha! I KNEW it! Of course, my initial speculation was that Tony was doing all this to cleverly outmaneuver the Court. It wasn't until the dinner with the Donlans when I really fell in with the speculators who said that the Court used Annie as collateral to checkmate Tony into returning, since that's when we began to see his weaknesses show. Still, it's nice to be validated sometimes
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 26, 2015 7:08:51 GMT
I just imagined it refers to the whole "thing" the Court is. It's not just your basic boarding institution of learning, they actively seek to cultivate their members from the promising students. In this rare instance, I actually think the reality of what the Court is doing is much less sinister than you're thinking. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:08:54 GMT
There is still one big unanswered question: did they ask him to rein her in "or else", or did he make a plea for her case and they accepted? Or some third option, like pretending to accept it but still planning on expelling her anyway.
Or maybe even what Tony is saying now is not the whole truth.
That being said...there's punishing her, and then there is being a dick of a father to her. Still not clear why it needed to be both.
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Post by aquamafia on Aug 26, 2015 7:09:10 GMT
I'm guessing he acts like a jerk to Annie because he's being monitored by the Court. If he made any moves towards being supportive of her, the Court would cut them both out.
Sooooo, I think we know who the real villain here is. The Court played them both like puppets. That begs the question, why is Anthony so desperate to stay within the Court? They must be up to something dangerous (and considering how they've meddled with death itself, I'd hate to know what their MO is.)
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Post by Bill on Aug 26, 2015 7:09:19 GMT
They were going to ... wait until her graduation ... then expel her ... and "banish her from the Court and the program entirely."
What "program"? What's to stop her from living in Gillitie after that? And how do you expel someone after they graduate?
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Post by edzepp on Aug 26, 2015 7:10:40 GMT
So the court was going for maximum dickery, but went for the leverage option instead.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:11:38 GMT
What's to stop her from living in Gillite after that? And how do you expel someone after they graduate? And more to the point, she's the Forest Medium. She's got a job pretty much for life. But, I am sure she'd still want to see Kat and her other friends, and if she's tossed out of the Court then that is pretty much off the table. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 26, 2015 7:12:29 GMT
...And how do you expel someone after they graduate? No no, at the time of graduation, thus preventing her from being able to say she completed school. Aka totally screwing her over. |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 26, 2015 7:13:27 GMT
Well, I think they were waiting for her to get to graduation, and then pull the rug out from under her. "We know you cheated, now we're going to take away everything right before you had a chance to succeed."
Because they're dicks.
Edit: Got Ninja'd.
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Post by jessie on Aug 26, 2015 7:15:53 GMT
My god we all failed.
It was Occam's razor the whole time. All these complex psychological theories about why Tony is being a dick and it's just the simplest one. "Somebody is making him do it".
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:16:00 GMT
So. Coyote isn't happy about things now. Just wait until he finds out about this.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:17:37 GMT
My god we all failed. It was Occam's razor the whole time. All these complex psychological theories about why Tony is being a dick and it's just the simplest one. "Somebody is making him do it". It was actually one of the earliest theories. It just didn't get a lot of discussion because we didn't have any information and Tony's behavior was the shiny thing in front. |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 26, 2015 7:17:29 GMT
My god we all failed. It was Occam's razor the whole time. All these complex psychological theories about why Tony is being a dick and it's just the simplest one. "Somebody is making him do it". I'm not sure if that's comforting or just a bit disappointing. It was actually one of the earliest theories. It just didn't get a lot of discussion because we didn't have any information and Tony's behavior was the shiny thing in front. But like you said, there must have been a slightly better way than what he did. |
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Post by jessie on Aug 26, 2015 7:18:29 GMT
My god we all failed. It was Occam's razor the whole time. All these complex psychological theories about why Tony is being a dick and it's just the simplest one. "Somebody is making him do it". I'm not sure if that's comforting or just a bit disappointing. I don't think simple is bad. I suppose it's a matter of opinion. |
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Post by agasa on Aug 26, 2015 7:21:13 GMT
Assuming he's saying the truth, we've all been horrible dicks to Tony. I'm really sorry, Tony.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 26, 2015 7:21:57 GMT
Assuming he's saying the truth, we've all been horrible dicks to Tony. I'm really sorry, Tony. I am not quite ready to have a love-fest here. Even with this revelation, I am not seeing anything that couldn't have been better handled with old-fashioned honesty. |
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Post by philman on Aug 26, 2015 7:23:25 GMT
Well now, this is a new thing. At last, a potential reason for his actions.
Also, is it just me or was that the wrong spelling of reigning/reining?
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Post by Bill on Aug 26, 2015 7:24:36 GMT
Good news: Tony will probably be happy to hear that Annie heard everything, and not consider it a breaking of trust.
Bad news: How the heck will Tony and Annie be able to have a frank face-to-face conversation without raising the Court's suspicions? Annie going to Tony's house would definitely be suspicious; anywhere else they may be able to listen in.
Good news: Annie can communicate by making words in the air with her blinker stone.
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Post by esc7 on Aug 26, 2015 7:25:05 GMT
Once again, it confirms that they knew about the cheating but kept the knowledge of it as a tool and forced tony to punish her with it.
How long did they do nothing about the cheating? Did they not even care about it? It makes the punishment that more petty.
Speculation: despite the two mediums working together and coyotes promise the war between the court and the forest(and everything else etheric) hasn't ever stopped in the courts eyes. It's a Cold War and they're developing some sort of project to stop etheric meddling. I think the omega project purpose is to literally end the forest by turning the ether against it. We know that people's souls return to the ether that then warps reality to their beliefs giving them power. If you were to do this on a grand scale you could do anything, empower anything, or annihilate anything.
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Post by edzepp on Aug 26, 2015 7:26:27 GMT
Assuming he's saying the truth, we've all been horrible dicks to Tony. I'm really sorry, Tony. I am not quite ready to have a love-fest here. Even with this revelation, I am not seeing anything that couldn't have been better handled with old-fashioned honesty. Or anything OTHER than whatever the hell that was. I'm not sure the Court can dictate how he chose to break the news. |
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Post by madragoran on Aug 26, 2015 7:26:27 GMT
ok... now i am afraid to ask this.. Was Donald already privy to all this bussiness with the court and that's why he asked Annie to listen in? Is this why he essentially got Anthony Carver totaled? I am not liking this. Also like edzepp said "they made him do it" seems a bit of a let down. Furthermore bleh... [lets wait till Friday's page] |
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Post by philman on Aug 26, 2015 7:27:44 GMT
I just imagined it refers to the whole "thing" the Court is. It's not just your basic boarding institution of learning, they actively seek to cultivate their members from the promising students. In this rare instance, I actually think the reality of what the Court is doing is much less sinister than you're thinking. I don't know, it sounded ominous to me too. I get that they would cast her out as an adult meaning she could never return, but why refer to that as a program? Program makes it sound like there is some sort of long term plan for the court in general that she would now be excluded from that Tony, Donny and the other adults all know about. Perhaps coyote's comments about the court's aim to become gods has some more merit to it. |
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