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Post by Nepycros on Aug 21, 2015 7:00:06 GMT
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Post by The Anarch on Aug 21, 2015 7:01:10 GMT
Can we talk about how Zimmy's the best thing instead? Even Tony agrees with that!
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 21, 2015 7:01:24 GMT
WOMBO COMBOOOOOO!
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 21, 2015 7:01:33 GMT
Can we talk about how Zimmy's the best thing instead? Even Tony agrees with that! That thing sure is awesome. |
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Post by arf on Aug 21, 2015 7:03:44 GMT
So Zimmy gave him the least of his injuries?
(A matching scar. Hmm. What else did Jeanne foresee?)
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Post by calpal on Aug 21, 2015 7:03:57 GMT
Ah crap, beat me to the thread!
But yeah, this was definitely coming. Tony does all this work, only realizing that he was duped when someone else jumps in and punches him off the line. Although I do wonder what he would've thought to see Surma turn into Annie, then turn into, well... Zimmy. Probably a bit of a freaky sight, especially for the uninitiated.
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Post by west on Aug 21, 2015 7:05:22 GMT
Well, at least he's a good sport about it. Although I do wonder what he would've thought to see Surma turn into Annie, then turn into, well... Zimmy. "Thank God I hadn't gone for the kiss yet." |
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 21, 2015 7:06:13 GMT
Well, so now we know he doesn't mistakenly believe Annie cleaned his clock or otherwise caused any of his woes on this misadventure.
SO WHY IS HE STILL BEING SUCH A BAG OF SUCK TO ANNIE LIKE THIS?
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 21, 2015 7:06:31 GMT
Ah crap, beat me to the thread! But yeah, this was definitely coming. Tony does all this work, only realizing that he was duped when someone else jumps in and punches him off the line. Although I do wonder what he would've thought to see Surma turn into Annie, then turn into, well... Zimmy. Probably a bit of a freaky sight, especially for the uninitiated. I imagine any transitional state from Surma to Zimmy is no less horrifying than just plain Zimmy. That thing can be pretty intimidating. (If folks haven't noticed, I'm gonna be using "that thing" as a term of endearment from now on, a la Tony's incredibly poignant way of putting things across). |
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Post by calpal on Aug 21, 2015 7:06:33 GMT
Well, at least he's a good sport about it. Although I do wonder what he would've thought to see Surma turn into Annie, then turn into, well... Zimmy. "Thank God I hadn't gone for the kiss yet." Your avatar picture perfectly sums up my reaction to your reply. |
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Post by justcurious on Aug 21, 2015 7:06:55 GMT
Can we talk about how Zimmy's the best thing instead? Even Tony agrees with that! I think we can all agree on the awesomeness of Zimmy. |
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Post by ninjaraven on Aug 21, 2015 7:08:09 GMT
yep, for all her personal torment, anti-socialism, and horrifying reality-warping potential, Zimmy is actually a pretty solid friend to have. And she did leave a mark too! Didn't do the hand, but she did give him the split lip.
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 21, 2015 7:07:56 GMT
Well, so now we know he doesn't mistakenly believe Annie cleaned his clock or otherwise caused any of his woes on this misadventure. SO WHY IS HE STILL BEING SUCH A BAG OF SUCK TO ANNIE LIKE THIS? Still not getting why |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 21, 2015 7:09:18 GMT
Huh. So Tony knows it was a bad idea, now. And he knows it was fake, at least to some degree. Now we also know why, on a meta level, Tony's face was obscured here. So, on to the big unanswered question: why did he treat Annie like he did? All of the reasonable ideas on this matter we have had have been demolished... (EDIT: I got ninja'd by Chancellor on this.) And how long until we see our wonderful normal Annie back again? |
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 21, 2015 7:11:17 GMT
"That thing" isn't a very nice thing to call Zimmy
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 21, 2015 7:12:20 GMT
"That thing" isn't a very nice thing to call Zimy It's a term of endearment. |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 21, 2015 7:17:12 GMT
Well, so now we know he doesn't mistakenly believe Annie cleaned his clock or otherwise caused any of his woes on this misadventure. SO WHY IS HE STILL BEING SUCH A BAG OF SUCK TO ANNIE LIKE THIS? Still not getting why Yeah, we've had everything else satisfactorily explained, and nothing has really explained the odd coldness. |
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Post by Angry Individual on Aug 21, 2015 7:17:19 GMT
To be fair, I'm not terrible sure Tony knows that Zimmy is, well, Zimmy.
She must have arrived during his time away, and whether or not he was made aware of her since his return is honestly up in the air.
So for all intents and purposes, I'm going to assume that he literally does not know what Zimmy is. Could have just been another spirit in this crazy world he was experiencing.
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Post by edzepp on Aug 21, 2015 7:20:11 GMT
To be fair, I'm not terrible sure Tony knows that Zimmy is, well, Zimmy. She must have arrived during his time away, and whether or not he was made aware of her since his return is honestly up in the air. So for all intents and purposes, I'm going to assume that he literally does not know what Zimmy is. Could have just been another spirit in this crazy world he was experiencing. And that's why ya gotta know things, Tony. So much trouble could have been avoided. Now, you look like hell, you lost an arm for no good reason and everyone is mad at you. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 21, 2015 7:20:26 GMT
It's now possible that the only teacher who genuinely likes Zimmy is Mr. Carver. That's a tough endorsement to end up with.
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Post by ninjaraven on Aug 21, 2015 7:20:56 GMT
"That thing" isn't a very nice thing to call Zimy Well, Tony had no clue who or what it was. He is however, grateful for its intervention. Not sure yet - But if this revelation has been anything to go by, I'd be willing to bet the answer will be somewhat complicated. One thing is clear though: Tony does not hate his daughter nor wish her harm on his account, not even to see Surma again. However, he may still have been angry or frustrated with her (or even just angry or frustrated in general). And he likely hasn't realized that his absence has been doing Annie more harm than good (the whole no contact thing has complicated matters a good deal). |
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Post by fish on Aug 21, 2015 7:21:41 GMT
I'm surprised he was able to interpret Zimmy correctly as an interception. But if he's thinking in terms of antennas, that's probably the only way to read it, hmm.
Anyway, I bet he's glad about that scar, unlike about his nose and his hand. It's much less a sign of his own folly.
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 21, 2015 7:22:48 GMT
I'm surprised he was able to interpret Zimmy correctly as an interception. But if he's thinking in terms of antennas, that's probably the only way to read it, hmm. Anyway, I bet he's glad about that scar, unlike about his nose and his hand. It's much less a sign of his own folly. Judging by how he blames himself for his wife's death, it's very realistic that he'd blame himself for nearly killing his own daughter as well. That scar is just as much a sign of folly to him as everything else he's sacrificed in his failed attempt to save Surma. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 21, 2015 7:22:57 GMT
Heh. Everyone knows the wife's looks have to go eventually. Well, so now we know he doesn't mistakenly believe Annie cleaned his clock or otherwise caused any of his woes on this misadventure. SO WHY IS HE STILL BEING SUCH A BAG OF SUCK TO ANNIE LIKE THIS? Still not getting why Maybe this is him being nice. |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 21, 2015 7:23:40 GMT
Heh. Everyone knows the wife's looks have to go eventually. Maybe this is him being nice. If that's the case, I definitely wouldn't like him when he's angry. I'm saying Tony is the Hulk. |
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Post by speedwell on Aug 21, 2015 7:26:14 GMT
It's not lost on me that he talks about Zimmy with more horror and disgust than he talks about the malevolent forces that tricked him into chopping off his goddamned working arm.
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 21, 2015 7:26:48 GMT
It's not lost on me that he talks about Zimmy with more horror and disgust than he talks about the malevolent forces that tricked him into chopping off his goddamned working arm. To be fair, that thing has driven people crazy before. |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 21, 2015 7:27:46 GMT
It's not lost on me that he talks about Zimmy with more horror and disgust than he talks about the malevolent forces that tricked him into chopping off his goddamned working arm. Zimmy is scary, yo. But in this context, she's a goddamn hero. |
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Post by carasanathema on Aug 21, 2015 7:32:54 GMT
Here's what I don't understand. How can Tony be this ignorant about Annie and Surma? Didn't he spend years researching how to keep Surma's spirit from being drained into Annie and killing her (Surma?) In one of the flashbacks he's glaring at Annie after kneeling by Surma's bed, apparently after realizing that he wasn't going to save her, and Surma says, "He still loves you" to Annie. He also clearly knew that Surma was a psychopomp, since it seems like she wasn't hiding it from anyone, so it would've made sense that he'd know that Annie was one, too. I don't see a reason why Surma would have hidden the info from him. So he had to know that pulling Surma's spirit back was going to do *something* to Annie, given their strong connection, even if he didn't know it could kill her (though that risk seems pretty obvious). How could he have thought that this wouldn't involve Annie at all? He made no provisions and sent no messages in his contact for Donnie to take care of Annie in case she was affected. Not to mention that he heard Annie's voice through the ether, so he knew she was connected in some way before he made the antenna (though I guess at this point he was probably crazy to see Surma again and wasn't likely to stop and think about what Annie's presence meant).
So basically we've got a guy who is supposed to be a super smart scientist, who spent years studying everything he could about the nature of Surma's fire spirit and death curse, knew she was a psychopomp, and failed to put any of this together at all. He apparently knew less than almost everyone else who knew about Surma. Then he ditched his heartbroken daughter after her mother died (And she was forced to walk her mom into whatever afterlife that last remnant had), without noticing...oh...anything at all. Or thinking that maybe Annie had a closer connection to Surma than anyone else. She could have told him some crucial pieces of info right at the beginning even without her knowing about the fire spirit, if he'd only actually created a space for her to do so (including before Surma's death crowded everything out of his mind). So, again, what was he doing all those years while Surma was alive? Because it sure as hell doesn't sound like he was aware of much.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 21, 2015 7:32:34 GMT
I would have liked this page more if she morphed while Anthony was sloppily slipping her the tongue.
[edit]And copping a handful.[/edit]
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